Vicious Electronic Questioning: 11W's Johnny Ginter
Carlos Hyde, human battering ram
First, on behalf of everyone here at MGoBlog, I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving; this week is the perfect time to keep in mind all we have in life to be thankful for—and yes, I hope that goes outside of the spectrum of sports, for sanity's sake.
We've covered the X's and O's with Eleven Warriors' Ross Fulton; now it's time to cover the hate, and for that we welcome 11W's Johnny Ginter, a man whose passion for snark nearly equals his love of the Buckeyes. Johnny has been kind enough to answer a few questions about the state of the rivalry, his outlook for this weekend, and even a totally serious query about the OSU basketball team. If you'd like to hear my take on The Game, Johnny and his co-host Michael Citro had me on as the guest for this week's Eleven Dubcast, and you're encouraged to take a listen.
Before we proceed, remember that this is Hate Week, because Johnny certainly does; channel your outrage responsibly. Now, let the hate flow through you...
Because of our weekly Q&As for 11W, I know that you've had to sit through at least most of Michigan's season. First of all, I'm so sorry. This isn't a question. I just want to publicly apologize.
I really appreciate that, because I started this season as a 28 year old male in reasonably good health, and now I'm a diabetic 83 year old man in a coma from eating tainted paste.
With that out of the way, I'd like to hear an outsider's perspective on what's going on in Ann Arbor. What do you think the biggest issue has been to lead Michigan to this point?
The impending return of Sauron to Mordor? Truthfully I think part of the problem is that Michigan as an athletic department has a hard time negotiating college football in 2013. I think a lot of the decisions and choices that the Ohio State athletic department makes are kind of dumb and obvious from time to time, but it's undeniable that the Buckeyes have benefited from an aggressive self-marketing strategy. I don't see the same kind of things coming out of Michigan in terms of promotion that I see from Ohio State. [Ed-Ace: Johnny obviously isn't signed up to any U-M email lists.]
But really if I were to try and pin it down to just one thing, I think you guys are sometimes too patient, which is a nice way to say that you're cool with failure. Remember, Ohio State has a fanbase chomping at the bit to remove a defensive coordinator that has managed a side missing one of its best players, had a totally revamped defensive line at the beginning of the season, started the season with only four returning starters, and is still the 12 ranked defense in the country. That Michigan would even briefly allow the thought of keeping Al Borges to flutter through their minds is hilarious.
If you were running Michigan's program—and no, not intentionally running it into the ground—what would your next move be after this season ends?
Fire Al Borges immediately and bring in an offensive line specialist. Jim Bollman, offensive coordinator and offensive line coach is one of the most genuinely depressing sentences in the English language. His typical practice attire was white socks pulled up to his shins and a big goofy straw hat which reminded me of something someone would wear if they were trying to make a parody of an offensive line coach. It wasn't a great look, and his offensive lines typically underperformed or were just plain bad.
Enter Ed Warinner, and two years later Ohio State boasts possibly the best offensive line in the country (with much less heralded recruits). Michigan is still loaded with talent on the offensive side of the ball, but that o-line is a gigantic domino that knocks everything over once it falls down. In a bad way, though.
As a Buckeye fan, what kind of balance would you like to see between Ohio State winning and Michigan being competitive? I imagine the joy of winning The Game has lost some of its luster over the past—oh lord—decade or so.
I was born in 1985, so my formative years were spent sitting angrily in front of the TV, arms crossed and teeth grinding as Michigan beat Cooper over and over and over. And the reason why I highly doubt any of you guys got sick of that is because John H. Cooper assembled some absolutely incredible teams that by all accounts should've won more than two goddamn games during his tenure.
So yes, I want Michigan to be good. I was at the 2006 game. It was an incredible celebration of football, of Woody and Bo, of everything that's fun about this rivalry. I was also at the 2004 game, which was just really, really funny. And ultimately, I want both of those things. I want the titanic matchups and underdog games where the underdog has a legitimate shot at winning, and I want Michigan to be good. The Game means less if one side (you) isn't holding up its end of the bargain on a consistent basis.
Which makes me angry. Which, ironically, makes the game mean more to me. So I have some feelings I need to sort through.
So... how's the basketball team looking this year? This is a completely serious question.
They're... okay? I mean, they're pretty much who we thought they were, minus LaQuinton Ross looking like butt. Defensively it's an excellent team with incredibly athletic guys like Aaron Craft, Lenzelle Smith, Shannon Scott, and so on. I actually think the defensive rule changes favor Ohio State because Thad Matta is really adept at getting his teams to play at a high defensive level without fouling. Aaron Craft is still probably the best on the ball defender in the game right now, even with the new foul calling regime.
With that said, without Deshaun Thomas the Buckeyes are predictably struggling on offense. Thomas averaged close to 20 points per game last season, but the next leading scorer on the team was Aaron Craft (right, Upchurch), who was putting up half that. Right now nobody is putting up even 12 points a night for Ohio State, but they do have four guys in double digits per game.
And that's probably how it'll look for most of the season, but I'm cool with it. Thad Matta is really a brilliant player's coach who has never won fewer than 20 games through 13 seasons, and his teams usually struggle with some growing pains early before figuring things out in January or February. I expect that to be the same for '13-'14, and really my only hope is that Matta's back and leg stay manageable and he sticks around for a long, long time.
Okay, okay, I should probably ask for your prediction for this weekend's game. Are there any matchups out there that you see favoring Michigan, and how do you see the game playing out?
There aren't a lot of favorable matchups for Michigan, but if they can scheme to isolate Funchess on a linebacker like Perry or Grant or even a d-lineman dropping back in coverage, that could yield some positive results offensively. That might open up some things for Gardner to get some yards on the ground because there's no way in hell the Ohio State defensive line is giving up anything to Toussaint or Green.
But even if Michigan does manage to capitalize on some mistakes and score some points, you're going to need to score more than 35 to beat Ohio State, because they're going to put up at least that much. And please, don't tell me about Frank Clark and Jake Ryan. Mark Weisman averaged 5.2 yards per carry against you, and Carlos "El Guapo" Hyde is much, much better than Weisman. If Urban Meyer is so inclined he could just pound away with the dude a la 2007 and be done with it.
He won't though. Instead you're probably going to see a lot of the Pistol with Dontre Wilson and Hyde in the same backfield, with some goofy stuff involving the tight ends that you haven't seen all year thrown in. I firmly believe that Meyer has been holding back quite a bit offensively just for this game, and I'm really, really excited to see what he pulls out of his hat.
This will probably be a three quarter game, but as the three and outs start to pile up and as Ohio State begins to get longer and longer touchdown plays, the game will be put increasingly out of reach for the Wolverines.
Please?
Is there any part of you that's worried about a 1995-type scenario this weekend?
I'm writing this on Wednesday morning, so no. By Friday night I'll be at Defcon 1, so by then probably yes.
I still firmly believe that Ohio State is going to win, because they're better coached and have the better team. That should be enough for me to rest easy. But it's The Game, baby. Rest and rationality are for the weak.
Thank you to Johnny for not only taking the time to answer these questions, but providing me an enjoyable (seriously) forum each week to dicuss Michigan and interact with the good people at Eleven Warriors—well, at least the ones who don't insist on exclusively using the term 'scUM'.
November 29th, 2013 at 8:13 AM ^
If Borges were to go, I would go for Bloomgren. But then Stanford -> Michigan as an OC would that be a lateral move? We'd have to offer big $$ to come here.
November 29th, 2013 at 8:58 AM ^
It would not be a lateral move. It would be a huge step backwards.
November 29th, 2013 at 5:02 AM ^
"What candidates could we actually attract to Ann Arbor?"
Why, could there possibley anybody worse?
November 29th, 2013 at 4:15 PM ^
November 28th, 2013 at 7:56 PM ^
we be nice on Thanksgiving weekend. Seriously though I am glad he wrote that on Wednesday too
November 28th, 2013 at 11:30 PM ^
November 29th, 2013 at 2:02 AM ^
"But really if I were to try and pin it down to just one thing, I think you guys are sometimes too patient, which is a nice way to say that you're cool with failure. Remember, Ohio State has a fanbase chomping at the bit to remove a defensive coordinator that has managed a side missing one of its best players, had a totally revamped defensive line at the beginning of the season, started the season with only four returning starters, and is still the 12 ranked defense in the country. That Michigan would even briefly allow the thought of keeping Al Borges to flutter through their minds is hilarious."
Jesus... he's exactly right. I thought we were supposed to be the smarter school. What the fuck is wrong with us? My theory is that they are more dedicated to football as a fan base. They eat, sleep and breath it from the high school level on. So they're a little ahead mentally, regardless of IQ's.... test scores, grades, income, quality of life
November 29th, 2013 at 2:12 AM ^
We're far too dumb to balance anything else.
November 29th, 2013 at 2:06 AM ^
Why is it that when I log out, I can't see my comments, but when I log in, I can?
November 29th, 2013 at 3:34 AM ^
November 29th, 2013 at 11:07 AM ^
the intellectual superiority thing is pretty played out. Michigan is better than Ohio State in the same way Harvard is better than Dartmouth. We're not SEC instuhtutions here- the academic gulf in the B1G is pretty narrow when comparing member schools. But w/e, if that's what some cling to (along with pre-WWII records), go right ahead- such make sure you are actually a UM grad (and, no, General Studies doesn't count) before bragging, since Wolverine football players are generally no different between the ears than their Buckeye counterparts.
Being as objective as I can, I see no real difference in the general behavior of the fan bases. Idiots exist on both sides, and they get the disproportionate share of the attention. It is easy to make blanket statements about Ohio State fans being obnoxious, but if there's any truth to that, it'll be reversed when roles are- when UM is up and OSU is down (which will happen), we over at 11W will be making similar claims. I mainly lurk here, and can confirm that there are a bunch of idiot posters here, just like there. The downside to having arguably the two largest fanbases in the country, I suppose.
All that aside, I've never bought into using the 'scUM' title like many Buckeye fans do, I think it is disrespectful and a little juvenile. That said, it really isn't much different from you guys calling Ohio State 'Ohio'. Its a slightly disrespectful potshot that people just use.
November 29th, 2013 at 12:21 PM ^
every year when the game is in ohio, the U sends an email around the student body with bullet points about how to be stay safe in columbus, which reads like a State Department travel advisory for US citizens traveling in, say, Mogadishu - don't draw attention to yourself, be inconspicuous, avoid having Michigan stickers or flags on your car, etc. Do they send something like that around to students at ohio when the game is in Ann Arbor?
November 29th, 2013 at 4:08 PM ^
but I'd assume not. Columbus is like 7x the size of Ann Arbor.
If The Game was played in Detroit, I'd imagine there'd be warnings.
November 30th, 2013 at 10:11 AM ^
First of all Columbus is the 15th largest city in the country, and Ann Arbor is well...Ann Arbor-a small town with a big university. Obviously the demographics are not the same. Moron.
November 29th, 2013 at 4:25 PM ^
November 29th, 2013 at 5:29 PM ^
Penn State fans lobbed beer cans and urine bags at Ohio State fans a few years back, Wisconsinites used to hurl marshmallows with nickels in them. I've heard of all sorts of issues at UM/ND games, and about Buckeye fans being treated poorly inside and outside of the stadium in Ann Arbor. Heck, that photo of the guy getting maced at the PSU game ought to win a Pulitzer. Fans gonna fan, doesn't matter what colors they're wearing.
The perjorative nicknames are equivalent in intent and are really no different. You want to split hairs? We hear 'Blowhio' all the time from our friends in sun and blue.
As far as sleeping at night goes, I do just fine. If keeping up that elitist facade by telling yourself that UM is far superior to the rest of us mouthbreathers, by all means continue.
That's my last shot across the bow, I don't post here to troll, just to see the other side's perspective.
Edit: Ogre! Ogre! Ogre!
NEEEEERDS!!
November 30th, 2013 at 5:01 AM ^
November 29th, 2013 at 4:54 AM ^
Let's talk National Championships -- winning them, competing for them. It's the only measure of a football program accepted by everyone.
Whenever the talk turns to winning, Michigan fans nervously start talking about history, tradition, how smart we are, how educated and successful we are, how classy we are. That's all a smoke screen, because at the end of the day, we are not an elite college football program by any metric except the size of our stadium and marching band and haven't been for a long time with one exception. If we wanna be, then let's go hire people who can take us there and demand results. If we're okay with how things are -- great academically, but not so good at competing at football's highest level, then we should STFU and not begrudge the programs that are serious about winning and have won multiple NCs in the last 60 years.
November 29th, 2013 at 9:51 AM ^
I would venture to say our band has gone as soft as well. Still good, but no longer great or in the running for "greatest."
November 29th, 2013 at 8:07 AM ^
Love the caption under the 1995 Biakabatuka pic. Just watched the highlights of that game, and what I saw was an o-line that blocked the bejezzus out of the Ohio line... double teaming on the DT's and driving them back 2,3 yards... hate to say it but I don't think we'll be seeing that this year...
November 29th, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^
How Michigan fans see OSU fans
How OSU fans view UM fans
November 30th, 2013 at 10:19 AM ^
When you cant win any games this is what you resort to. And we all know that nobody in _ichigan owns a suit. You losers probably have many more trailer parks than us as well.
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