Home
we had subs it was crazy

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Ticket spreadsheet
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • 2013 Offer Board
    • Crude Bug Tracking System
    • Third Down Stats
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • Michigan Future Schedules
    • User-Curated HOF
    • 2013 Recruiting Board
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
Home

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @TomVH (Tom)
  • RSS Feed
  • iPhone App
  • Facebook profile
  • MGoKindle Store
  • mgo.licio.us
  • Brian @ TSB [Archive]
  • Brian @ AOL [Archive]
  • Sour Salty Bitter Sweet

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MGoFootball
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Block
  • The M Zone
  • The Wolverine Blog
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • A Lion Eye
    • Hail To The Orange
    • Illinois Baseball Report
    • Illinois Loyalty
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
    • I'm In Love With A Fringe Bowl Team
    • TNABACG
  • Nebraska
    • Big Red Network
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • Big Ten Hardball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The Baseball Zealot
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Basketball Prospectus
    • Midmajority
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Inside College Hockey
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
    • Western College Hockey
    • CCHA
      • LSSU Hockey
      • Bronco Hockey Blog
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Doctor Saturday
    • CFB Stats
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
      • Fire Millen
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
      • The Daily Fungo
    • Red Wings
      • On The Wings
      • Behind The Jersey
      • Winging It In Motown
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Archive

  • May 2013 (55)
  • April 2013 (94)
  • March 2013 (104)
  • February 2013 (81)
  • January 2013 (93)
  • December 2012 (74)
  • November 2012 (142)
  • October 2012 (143)
  • September 2012 (107)
  • August 2012 (103)
  •  
  • 1 of 11
  • ››

Get Yer Tickets

Football Display Case

NFL Watches

Follow your favorite team with localtv-satellite.com: Click Here.

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • Does Expansion Actually Lead to More Recruits From a Certain Region?
    maizeonblueaction - 2 days ago
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 3 days ago
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 4 days ago
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 4 days ago
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 5 days ago
  •  
  • 1 of 3
  • ››
more
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 1,011 views
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 818 views
  • UMich NFL draft history, Part III
    blueheron - 812 views
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 721 views
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 698 views
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 19 comments
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 18 comments
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 17 comments
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 13 comments
  • Does Expansion Actually Lead to More Recruits From a Certain Region?
    maizeonblueaction - 8 comments

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • OT - Photo I shot last night
    12 replies
  • ND's Golson no longer enrolled
    64 replies
  • OT: Watch this very awesome finish in the Indy Lights Race at Indianapolis
    12 replies
  • Hockey picks up '15 defenseman, MSU decommit
    10 replies
  • OT: Red Wings @ Hawks Game 5 Open Thread
    139 replies
  • Midwest Elite 7 on 7
    6 replies
  • OT: Champions League Final - Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich
    41 replies
  • Burke & THJ NBA Draft Workout Videos
    10 replies
  • Urban Meyer regrets the way his Florida tenure ended, said Alabama should have lost three games
    54 replies
  • M v. ULL Super Regional Open Thread
    80 replies
  • I'm meeting Trey Burke today!
    46 replies
  • Mike Farrell: Michigan and Hokies tied in lead for Da'Shawn Hand
    80 replies
  • Help Finding Great Video Clips
    19 replies
  • Friday night drinking thread
    33 replies
  • OT: The Tigers game is very interesting
    99 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • Michigan wrestlers accused of Molotov cocktail possession suspended indefinitely
    67 replies
  • Friday night drinking thread
    33 replies
  • There should be 110,000 Rubber Chickens at the ND Game
    42 replies
  • ESPN: Trey Burke Articles/Video/Fluff/Etc.
    14 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    160 replies
  • OT: The Tigers game is very interesting
    99 replies
  • Softball Super Regional v. Louisiana-Lafayette, game 1
    55 replies
  • Sam Webb write up on five-star center Elijah Thomas
    17 replies
  • OT- Miguel Cabrera is good at baseball, visual proof
    36 replies
  • Which Pay Site Is Best?
    63 replies
  • Speight and TomVH on Peppers
    117 replies
  • OT: Real Estate / Renting / Land Contract gurus
    43 replies
  • Initial 2015 Top247 Released
    54 replies
  • Mark May Trolls Ohio State Again, Buckeyes Fans Let Him Have It On Twitter
    39 replies
  • Michigan/Minnesota football - Oct 5 - 330 pm EST
    17 replies
  • ‹‹
  • 2 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 3 Open Thread
    203 replies
  • Who's Your Favorite Michigan QB?
    202 replies
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 4 Open Thread
    193 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    160 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    151 replies
  • How much do you really hate ohio?
    146 replies
  • Who should replace ND in a long-term series?
    146 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    141 replies
  • OT: Red Wings @ Hawks Game 5 Open Thread
    139 replies
  • Speight and TomVH on Peppers
    117 replies
  • Prayers for Moore, Oklahoma
    112 replies
  • Memorial Day Weekend (here for the) posbang thread
    110 replies
  • OT: The Tigers game is very interesting
    99 replies
  • 5 star 2013 DT may not be enrolling at Notre Dame
    93 replies
  • M v. ULL Super Regional Open Thread
    80 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››

mgo.licio.us

  • Burke says Michigan can be 'just as good' next year with McGary, Robinson III leading

    yes plz

    0 comments
  • SEC coaches with tiny faces

    I don't think they changed Les at all actually

    1 comments
  • This college baseball team is the best at postgame interviews

    national champs baby

    1 comments
  • Rounding up the latest in NCAA absurdities.

    Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.

    0 comments
  • Cornell wrestler tops Michigan's Trey Burke for Sports Illustrated award | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

    first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"

    0 comments
  • Burke hearing he'll go two through six in NBA draft

    stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly

    0 comments
  • 2013 NHL Draft Prospect: Andrew Copp

    rundown of Michigan's riser

    0 comments
  • Michigan's key returnee: Glenn Robinson

    needs moar usage

    0 comments
  • Former Arkansas QB Brandon Mitchell transferring to NC State

    so much for that

    0 comments
  • The B1G List: Ranking the State Fossils of the Big Ten

    This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.

    0 comments
  • Trey Burke turns to inner circle to prepare for NBA draft

    will be michigan's highest pick in a while

    2 comments
  • B1G assistant coach salaries on the rise

    money has to go somewhere

    0 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. is motivated by his critics and doubters, and supremely confident in his ability

    I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.

    0 comments
  • Big Ten football procrastinates on parity-based scheduling, and nothing ever changes

    the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection

    1 comments
  • Michigan's Glenn Robinson III, Mitch McGary ranked inside top 20 on ESPN's 2014 draft board

    but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?

    1 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

Unverified Voracity Feels The Soil Falling Over Its Head

By Brian — April 29th, 2009 at 1:40 PM — 16 comments

Nehlen talkin'. Don Nehlen, former Bo assistant and the retired West Virginia head coach who told Rich Rodriguez to leap at the Michigan job, is old enough that he can say whatever he wants in public. The result is of interest:

I thought they'd do a little better last year, but I don't know enough about what he had to work with. But in talking to some of my Michigan people, they tell me the cupboard was really bare. They'd lost almost their entire offensive football team and the kids they had coming back went pro, they had no quarterback that had ever played ... couldn't run Rich's offense.

…

I think Rich will improve this year some, not as much as people want him to, but I think he'll improve. But he'll be playing a freshman quarterback (Tate Forcier) again and that's not good ... I guess the kid's a good athlete. Then I think after this year, they'll start to be very competitive.

Plenty more at the link, including a discussion of Nehlen joining Bo's staff.

Um? Orson Swindle of EDSBS fame forwarded along the post-spring game OSU press conference because one of the reporters there has been brainwashed by this here blog:

REPORTER:  It looked like Terrelle threw the ball with voracity and conviction today, how did you think he played?

Moohaha. I kept reading though, and… uh… this is a joke, right?

REPORTER:  The decision not to play Terrelle in the fourth quarter, was that a no-brainer?  He played so well and you don't want to get him hurt?  I know he initially was going to play the fourth quarter, can you talk about that decision?
                    
COACH TRESSEL:  He was ejected, right, Doug?
                    
DOUG WORTHINGTON:  Sure was.
                    
COACH TRESSEL:  He was talking trash and he got ejected, right?
                    
REPORTER:  Nothing to do with injury or anything like that?  You didn't want to prevent injuries or anything like that?
                    
COACH TRESSEL:  He was ejected.
                    
REPORTER:  By you?
                    
COACH TRESSEL:  Yeah.
                    
REPORTER:  You tossed him?
                    
COACH TRESSEL:  Tossed him.  Tired of his stuff.

Um, I know I just talked trash about Pryor talking trash in a scrimmage but this seems terribly implausible, especially with Doug Worthington playing Ed McMahon (Ha HA! Yes sir!). On the other hand, Tressel and light-hearted go together like jello and broken glass, and REPORTER seems to be taking it seriously. Did Terrelle Pryor really get booted from OSU's spring game? WTF is going on?

No you are dumb. I was tempted to make some snarky comment about Terrence Moore's final column for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, headed by this sentiment:

“My objective was to get people to think, not to agree or disagree, just to get people to think.”

I don't read Moore's work except when various bloggers, most prominently Braves and Birds and EDSBS, link to the columns that are even more epically inane than I gather the bulk of his oeuvre is. That sentiment caused the telltale eye twitch that precedes a flamethrowing 800 word post in which I call someone horseface that I feel dirty about afterwards, but I managed to click the little red X on the tab and move on with life. Fortunately for JUSTICE, the JCCW did not:

Trust me, Terence Moore: it was never your job to make me think. It was your job to explain why I should think the same way you think. Forgive me, but I think the inability to understand the difference between those two objectives--why the first gets you only halfway to where you need to be, why not risking being right can only result in being wrong--goes a long way towards explaining why neither Terence Moore nor tons of other former sports columnists have their job at all anymore.

Ah but if the last part were only true. Let us join together in this, beatwriters: it's a damn crime that Moore got a buyout from the AJC and just slides over to AOL to spew his brand of thoughtless enraging pap for money more rightly allotted to someone, anyone, who will report on anything whatsoever.

This seems like a good time. There was some discussion of this in the comments section already, but I hadn't mentioned it at large: AOL and yrs truly have parted ways. This won't come as a shock to anyone who saw the steadily slowing feed on the sidebar, now removed, or noticed that sometimes the very headlines therein would change without so much as a by-your-leave.

There was a sea change at AOL once some deranged suit decided to bring in sad stripper types to be "Fantasy Sports Girls" and Alana, AKA Miss Gossip, fled from her post as general guru in charge. Alana was of the internet; her replacements were not. Things got corporate. I had a viewpoint as to which way the Fanhouse should go—more Oops Pow Surprise!—that lost out to a more sanitized one. Then my posts started getting edited after the fact without anyone so much as mentioning it to me, which severely depressed my motivation to post further.

From there things took their natural course. Check that link above on Moore moving to AOL: they've hired nine people, only one of whom (Clay Travis) has any profile in the blogosphere. The rest are former newspaper droids. I no longer fit with your Mariottis and Terrence Moores. Thus: this.

I'm grateful that AOL really helped bridge the gap between my engineering job and the point at which the blog became a self-sustaining enterprise. Mostly I'm grateful to Jamie Mottram—now the architect behind Yahoo's excellent series of sport-specific blogs of which you are probably most familiar with Dr. Saturday—who hired me in the first place. But now it's over.

How about a guy in a goofy cape signing "I Know It's Over"? That will help everything:

I've gotten a couple questions about the fate of This Week In Schadenfreude: I'm looking for a home for it. Will inform when there is news.

Eh, not so much. I didn't even post about how dividing is chicken soup for the soul this month but yet I've been roped in. A January post discusses the annual, annoying use of raw counting numbers to assess each conference's performance in the NFL draft, and is cited by SMQB in support of his annoyance at same. But Dawg Sports says NSFMF:

For the most part, schools are competing against their own, so the total number of top-tier athletes in any conference in any year is going to be the same, regardless of whether that league has ten teams or twelve. Having more teams spreads the wealth around but does not increase the wealth where the finite resource of athletic talent is concerned. If Vanderbilt withdrew from the S.E.C., essentially all it would cost the conference in raw N.F.L. numbers is Jay Cutler, yet it would have a major impact on the math on a per capita basis.

The raw numbers tell us all we need to know. Division skews the data by using Mississippi State to inflate artificially the denominator by including an integer that is without value in setting the numerator.

Wait… what? I'm not exactly sure what Kyle's getting at her e. Let's go back to first principles: the main reason this conference superiority argument is important is because we have a system that whittles the playoff to two teams before a game is played. Schedule strength is important. People use overall conference strength as a proxy for figuring out how good your claim to enter this playoff is, and they use the number of NFL draft picks as a (bad) proxy for figuring out overall conference strength. Mississippi State or Vanderbilt only "artificially inflate the denominator" if you don't play Mississippi State or Vanderbilt, which Georgia  totally does:

Sat, Oct 17
Vanderbilt *
at Nashville, Tenn.
TBA

So like WTF? That argument is nonsense.

Etc.: If you think my posts about the direction media is going are offtopic, check out Texas blog Barking Carnival's review of the 1974 Russian avant-scifi movie Solaris.* It's late April! Run for your lives!

*(which I have seen, though the cut I saw was on TV so there was no hour of random footage; I've also seen the Soderberg version and read the book because Stanislaw Lem is awesome when he is not making me nauseous by describing brain surgery in excruciating detail. So yeah that popping up on a Texas sports blog was kind of a "whoah" moment.)

  • Login or register to post comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:55 PM | I blame the iPhone typo replacing feature for voracity (Score:1)
Other Chris
Other Chris's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1205

He surely was trying to type "velocity," right? Right?

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 5:16 PM | I doubt it if you look at the context (Score:1)
Wolv54
Wolv54's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 98

and the fact that he used the word "conviction" in conjunction with "voracity" if he had typed "He threw the ball with velocity and accuracy", I would agree, but as written, he's trying to "church" it up some.

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 6:31 PM | Agree (Score:1)
TIMMMAAY
TIMMMAAY's picture
Joined: 09/08/2008
MGoPoints: 5954

Agree

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 8:16 PM | You guys! (Score:1)
Other Chris
Other Chris's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1205

You're just not going to help me hold onto my belief that no one whose job is words would be that stupid, are you?

  • Login or register to post comments
April 30th, 2009 at 1:40 AM | so you think he meant to say (Score:1)
nWolv
Joined: 02/21/2009
MGoPoints: 0

so you think he meant to say "veracity"? not that "conviction" is a good way to describe a throw, but "veracity" would almost seem more out of place in this sentence than "voracity" does.

how about we all just agree that the transcriber is just some undereducated douche from ohio?

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 2:23 PM | TWIS (Score:1)
Bronco648
Bronco648's picture
Joined: 08/20/2008
MGoPoints: 998

TWIS should live here.

Nobody home...

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 2:48 PM | weird russian things (Score:1)
UMQuadz05
UMQuadz05's picture
Joined: 04/03/2009
MGoPoints: 1170

Solaris was my favorite book in high school, but I could never quite get into the movie. It's like Sonic Youth- you know you're supposed to like it, but I don't know man, that's pretty weird stuff.

I was furious with the Soderbergh movie, however. I don't know how you can make that movie in the CGI age and not deal into any of the amazing visuals of the novel.

Hail to the colors that float in the light-
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 10:37 PM | Ah, Sonic Youth (Score:1)
befuggled
befuggled's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 1023

I liked them until I saw them live. This would have been about 1987 or so at Traxx. Dinosaur Jr opened, although I only caught their last song. But Sonic Youth: well, let's just say it didn't work for me. Not entirely sure why. There was a real malevolent edge to the way they worked those hand tools on those innocent guitar strings, I think...

15 years later, I put a bunch of CDs into the car changer more or less at random. A couple days later I'm driving along and thinking, wow, this sounds pretty good, but what the hell is it? Turns out it's Sonic Youth in one of those critically acclaimed releases that I had pretty much ignored, and also that I in fact did like it. So I've been going through their back catalog slowly for the last couple of years.

Oh, did I have a point? No, not really. Uh, I hate Terrell Pryor?

Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 2:50 PM | Tressel (Score:1)
buckeyescott
Joined: 01/04/2009
MGoPoints: 0

"On the other hand, Tressel and light-hearted go together like jello and broken glass"

You probably don't listen to or read Tressel's pressers. I can't say read RichRod's either. Tressel has become known for these kind of answers at the pressers. Yes, it was a joke.

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 3:10 PM | Dawg Sports' argument is (Score:1)
Dix
Joined: 07/10/2008
MGoPoints: 262

Dawg Sports' argument is wrong for another reason.

It seems like he's assuming that if Vanderbilt didn't exist, all their pro talent would have ended up at a different SEC school. In his mind, the total number of future pros playing in the SEC is finite, regardless of the number of teams in that conference. Therefore, by equalizing conferences with per team ratios, you're just penalizing the conference for having more teams.

He's obviously wrong about that, I'm not even sure how he came up with the underlying premise.

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 3:25 PM | Reading through that (Score:1)
ColoradoBlue
ColoradoBlue's picture
Joined: 09/14/2008
MGoPoints: 34

Reading through that transcript, I actually was impressed with Tressel's no-nonsense, Carr-like-tough-love-welcome-to-my-dog-house approach.

It was at this point that I realized it had to be total bullshit.

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 3:26 PM | One thing that still surprises me (Score:1)
wolverine1987
wolverine1987's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 2928

about the numbers going to the NFL is that even with applying the proper math, the ACC still has a much higher level of NFL players than I ever would expect given that the conference is and has been terrible.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 3:58 PM | Just read the horseface post (Score:1)
bronxblue
Joined: 11/22/2008
MGoPoints: 12593

Just read the horseface post again - I was worried my monitor was going to melt due to hot fire you were spitting! Word!

I think what the Dawg post was trying to get at (and I may be totally wrong here) is that the per-capita star ranking for a conference can be artificially depressed or inflated depending on the disparity that exists between the top and bottom teams in said conference. Teams at the bottom do not recruit the top-50 kids, but at the same time still have 85 scholarships to fill each year and, as a result, tend to fill those spots with lower-rated kids. And the other linchpin of his argument (which Dix points out is flawed) is that each conference is effectively wed to a particular region, and thus the talent shifts around instead of leaving. If a conference has 12 teams, there are effectively two team filled with the lowest-rated kids in the region dragging the numbers down, while a 10-team league does not suffer from that drain. In theory, removing teams like Vandy from the SEC's star rating (which add little to the numerator but a standard 85 to the denominator) would bump up the SEC's numbers because only the "top" teams would count.

Now, I don't agree that this premise works, but I am trying to see where the OP is coming from. It is my theory (and I do not have the time to look this up) that the mean "rating" for 90% of all BCS teams is about 2.5-3* - a good player, but not a star. Sure, the USC's, Florida's, UTexas's, and OSU's of the world skew the numbers a bit up, just like the IU's, Vandy's, and Duke's skew the numbers down for a particular conference. Ultimately, though, the ratios should all be about the same, so adding an 11th or 12th team to the math really won't affect the end result to a great degree - all the major conferences (except perhaps the Big East) will tend toward the 2.5-3* average. Now, the worst teams in the conference are likely below that average slightly, with fewer players being of the 3*+ variety. So if those teams magically disappeared, the players released into the recruiting pool would...wait for it...be middling 2.5-3* players. In most instances, they would simply replace similarly ranked kids on other rosters. So instead of the 3rd-string LB on Florida being a 3* originally destined for the Gators, he would be replaced by a 3* originally destined for Vandy. Per the OP's premise, the star system does not really rank the given conference; it ranks the region that serves as the hotbed for that conference's recruiting. So when the SEC stands out compared to other conference, what really is being shown is that the Souteast is the largest hotbed of major college-level/NFL talent. While I do not argue with that conclusion, the conference argument really doesn't have much to do with it except serve as a geographical shorthand.

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 3:58 PM | Terence Moore (Score:1)
marco dane
marco dane's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 1005

was stealing money from the AJC. He was finish writing (objectively) years ago...

Lucky enough to have my own JT wristband!!

  • Login or register to post comments
April 29th, 2009 at 6:12 PM | I don't know if I should be (Score:1)
Md23Rewls
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 478

I don't know if I should be proud that immediately after seeing this title I knew we were getting an embedded version of "I Know It's Over" in the post. Either way, I am a fan of the mini Smiths run occurring here.

  • Login or register to post comments
April 30th, 2009 at 9:27 AM | Nehlen's less-than-ringing endorsement of RR (Score:1)
Don
Don's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 19224

I know it's generally dangerous to infer too much from off-the-cuff remarks made at press conferences and media appearances, but I read the full article about Nehlen and I was struck by what seemed to me to be a somewhat lukewarm assessment of his protege. "He's a good coach. A very good coach" Not "great." Not "excellent." Not "wonderful." Just very good. He also says right out that the Big 10 is much tougher than the Big East, which makes me think of the running gag that was common around here about RR not understanding he wasn't in the Big East any more.


  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Pressflow, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.