Stranger In A Strange Land
9/20/2008 – Auburn 21, LSU 26 – Uh, Michigan is still 1-2
So. I have ventured into the heart of darkness to experience their football and have returned. Evaluations are in order but they should be prefaced with some context: college football is awesome. I have seen eighty-seven thousand people scream this at the top of their lungs:
I defy you to find another activity outside of speaking-in-tongues-style Christianity that can cause large masses of people to say "bodda getta, bodda getta, bodda getta bah." All of this should be prefaced with that truth. College football is awesome. What makes the ESSSS EEEEE CEEEE garbage so odious is its claim that college football outside of the SEC is not awesome. Going to Auburn was awesome. End of big picture opinion.
But I'm sure people are curious about how it compares, so some comparisons:
The chintziness. On a chintziness scale where Michigan is zero—pending the public shaming of whoever piped in RAWK MUSIC over the highlights at the end of the third quarter in the Miami game—and Michigan State is ten, Auburn is around a six.
Merits:
- Jordan-Hare's advertising isn't too obnoxious, and the edifice itself is extremely nice.
- Aforementioned ridiculous college-only cheer.
- There is a freakin' eagle that flies around the stadium in the pregame.
- Related: "War Eagle" is way, way cooler than "Go Blue" and any other "GO BLANK" exhortation you care to name. War Eagle. Just say it. War Eagle.
- Tiger Walk, the first "team walks to stadium surrounded by fans" event, was really impressive.
Demerits:
- Despite having a couple of bands in the stands, evil recorded music was played over the PA on a regular basis.
- YMCA was one of these songs. YMCA. Come on! My Auburn compatriot said he wanted to run around telling everyone the song was about anonymous gay sex so they would stop, but he was nodding his head to the music just moments before.
- There is a band hype video. It's actually a really well done band hype video but the mere concept of it sent me into hysteric giggles. It also sort of worked, so I was simultaneously FIRED UP about Auburn's band and laughing. It was a weird 30 seconds.
- Auburn has a male cheerleader on a stand in front of the student section that acts like a hype man. He's got a mic, he exhorts the crowd to do things, and it's pretty meh.
- Exception to the non-obnoxious advertising: there's a video board with replays of every play, but sometimes instead of a replay there's an Under Armor commercial, which is a really good way to 1) get me to look at an ad and 2) swear a blood oath against whoever's running the ad.
It was nowhere near the Michigan State experience—if you've never been to MSU, their hype video ends with a computer-animated Sparty coming to life and blowing up a logo of the opposing team with frickin' eye lasers; also at one point they had this plastic chariot that looked like it was made of legos—but I'm a zealot about the piped-in music.
The noise level. We were in the upper deck, so determining if the vaunted SEC noise levels lived up to the hype was impossible. The organized pre-game cheers were pretty blasting all the way up there but I didn't get my face peeled off at any other time during the game.
Shockingly, on LSU's final drive—Auburn up one, this is a BFD—I stood up to yell at some point and had to sit back down sheepishly because no one else in the section was up. WTF? I sit in one of the oldest, lamest sections of Michigan Stadium and I personally guarantee you that if Michigan was up one with six minutes left and the other team had the ball, the section would be on their feet, gurgling out whatever noises their suppurating intestines could manage. This was a game-long issue. The noise levels in my immediate vicinity were no louder than I am used to. Maybe it's an upper deck thing.
The scoreboard. Auburn just has one video board but it's huge and in HD. It is killer. We need one. You have no idea.
However, I suggest that the awesome enormous HD scoreboard at Michigan Stadium should have SEC scores on it. Though Auburn was plenty happy to inform us that Utah had beaten Air Force 30-23 and Missouri had defeated mighty Buffalo 42-21, there was not a single Big Ten score, and the only Pac 10 score was the Georgia-Arizona State game.
The people. Auburn fans were friendly. There were some undercurrents of "Michigan sucks hur" but I took that more as a commentary on society than Auburn.
One thing became terribly annoying, though: "you guys are at the wrong game!" We heard this bon mot at least a dozen times. By the end when people would say it I would have one hand make the universal sign for "yap yap yap" and then have the other eat it violently. We get it. We're not from around here. We are probably aware of this fact.
I assume anyone in a random neutral college football shirt at Michigan Stadium is there to check it off his list of places to see a game before he dies, but apparently the idea of college football tourism is completely foreign to Auburn fans. Why? You have a freakin' eagle.
The coaches. After watching Auburn run what seemed like their eighth consecutive ineffective first down zone stretch with their pounding power back Ben Tate, I concluded that Tommy Tuberville is Lloyd Carr and he's trying to turn Tony Franklin into Mike DeBord.
Later this crystallized into a more general theory of offensive philosophy. Franklin kept running that zone stretch on first down, giving up expectation because of predictability, and hoped to make it back by catching LSU cheating for a big play. Debord was very similar with the zone left-zone left-zone left stuff. The idea is to execute well enough to eke out decent yardage and hit it big every once in a while when you break tendencies. To break tendencies you have to establish tendencies.
Rodriguez, meanwhile, seems diametrically opposed to this. His philosophy is based more on keeping the opponent guessing, whether it's on a play-to-play basis or within the play itself with the zone read. Auburn sort of ran a zone read but when you've got a lead-footed white guy and he's got no options other than a run you're not really threatening much. Rodriguez saw his quarterback's footspeed hampering that part of his offense and implemented that zone read keeper + late bubble screen combo we saw a couple times. I think Rodriguez hates the idea of establishing a tendency; he would prefer the defense to be uncertain at all times, even after Steven Threet's kept the ball.
And then there's Les Miles. At an early juncture when things were going well and LSU looked discombobulated, the Auburn blogger who kindly provided us with tickets sarcastically yelled out "run another trick play, Miles!" and I thought this was a very, very bad thing to tempt fate with. LSU, of course, would later run something I'd never seen before, a halfback pass off the fake-dive-pitch-outside play that would give them a go-ahead touchdown. The two plays before that were identical—someone must have held triangle—deep balls that exploited the same hole in the Auburn zone drops. There was also a successfully recovered onside kick. The Lesticles were in full force, and all of us from the Auburn guy to the three Michigan guys experienced a pang of regret that Miles hadn't ended up in Ann Arbor. The guy is legit.
The sign in the trash. If Georgia goes down and Matt Stafford has a bad game I assume some SEC blogger somewhere will have a use for this picture:
Go for it.
The exploding vein. An enormous black mark on Tuberville: not calling timeout once LSU had driven to around the Auburn 20. At that point they're either going to punch it in or get a makeable field goal attempt; with LSU down to a single timeout they would have little chance to get the ball back if they missed that field goal. You must preserve as much time as possible for a potential response. Instead, Tuberville let the clock run and was fortunate that LSU scored as quickly as it did; Auburn got the ball back with 1:03 and three timeouts instead of 1:43 and two or 2:15 and one.
Also, it was completely nonsensical to use Tate on all those first-half zone stretch plays when they've got a slashing McGuffie type in Brad Lester. Lester briefly enlivened the Auburn run game in the second half before an injury knocked him out.
The fandom. Auburn fans at the game itself were a weird combination of the nouveau Michigan fan who was completely frustrated with Lloyd Carr's coaching style and the old-school Michigan fan who can't stand this newfangled shotgun bullcrap, which was appropriate because their offense was that same weird fusion.
The best example of the latter: Auburn now does the thing where the team doesn't huddle, lines up, looks ready to snap the ball, relaxes, and then looks to the sideline for the call. Whenever Auburn would do this, an elderly Auburn fan was visibly, I-can't-set-the-time-on-this-damned-VCR agitated, throwing his hands in the air in disgust. This obvious discontent seemed to spread to the other oldsters around him as the game continued.
Overall, I got the sense that Auburn fans were a bit more fickle than Michigan fans, ready to turn on Tuberville when something went wrong and willing to turn back when something went right.
The pork and crawfish sausage we got at Winn-Dixie. Like college football, it was awesome.


I looked through the website posted by goody and found this tid bit of LOL Joe/JayPa from when this guy attended the PSU-UM game in 06:
"Our feeling is that PSU may be "Linebacker U" as advertised on this week's game program, but it sure is far from being QB U! And we'll say this, they rarely improve with age as their careers progress."
Word.
Great writeup, Brian. My experience at the Iron Bowl was rather similar. Except I was nearly tackled by Tommy Tuberville. No joke. Full writeup here:
http://roadgames07.blogspot.com/2007/11/iron-souls.html
Sorry you didn't get to see Toomer's Corner all done up. It's a sight to behold.
Road Games is another blog
Forgot to mention - Auburn is nowhere near the pinnacle of SEC crowd noise. That is LSU. Aburn is more in the middle to low-end in terms of sound. Clemson was crazy loud, too. But Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge was simply the loudest place I have ever been in my entire life.
Road Games is another blog
This is F'ing stupid! All the sports "experts" getting all excited about statistics from these meaningless games against Division 23 and high school teams. Pryor and osu win 28 to 10 against TROY!!!!!!! Whoooo Hoooooo. Jesus, they should have won by 50!!
Michigan stadium ever succumbs to advertising. I went to one Rose Bowl a couple of years ago and it was gawd awful. Couldn't hear either band, couldn't hear anyone cheering, all you could hear was ad after ad after ad after ad after ad.
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Nothing beats the chintz of a game at Cal Berkeley. I went there for the MSU game first week. I've never seen more concentrated advertising in my life, even more than going to an NBA game. They even had two big screen races between biggie bagel, cup o coffee, and dancing donut, or something retarded like that. The atmosphere was so bad that you forget how great college football can be when you're there...really makes you appreciate Michigan's staunch defense of its stadium from corporate america.
" GO BLUE !!!!! "
I've been to dozens of games at Strawberry Canyon. I agree that the atmosphere is terrible (they have yell leaders to tell the STUDENT SECTION when to cheer. Everyone else sits on their hands for the entire game), I don't know about the chintz factor. Their big screen makes the Michigan Stadium screen look downright state-of-the-art and it's just not loud unless it's a night game against UCLA or USC.
All of that said, they don't have a video of Oskie eating the opposing team's mascot or blare Black Eyed Peas at every opportunity. They pretty much just let the band do their thing, which is what they should do.
Side note: if you ever go see a UCLA-Cal game, be prepared to hate the bands with a firey passion afterward. They both have the SAME EXACT FUCKING FIGHT SONG, see. So you'll hear the same goddamned song played about seventy thousand times. I was once there for a UCLA-Cal triple OT game and I wanted to murder everyone by the third quarter.
http://www.collegefootballfan.com/Steve-o%27s%20Salvos.htm
This guy has seen every Divsion 1 football team play at least once. Website is pretty interesting if you have time. Just to see the list of games that he has been to and the players that he has seen over the years.
Maybe when I retire (or become filthy rich!!!) and can travel and experience the game day feel across the country.
I have a photographic memory, but I'm all out of film.
I know many of us would like Michigan Stadium to be loud, racous, and really not mocked for its general lack of enthusiasm. However, I have always thought that the Michigan fan lived in a perpetual state of "please don't screw this up", which makes it hard to cheer, even when we know it can help the team.
I would love for the Down in Front crew and the hypercritical people (the people asking Coach Carr to come back during the second quarter of the Utah game) to get a grip. But really, I'm trying to understand what's going on in the game as much as I am urging the team to victory. Occasionally, the former wins out.
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It's time to embrace the "down in front" cheer. I don't care what you say, 110,000 fans chanting "Down In Front! Down In Front!" would be awesome.
I went to UM, but I like to see how others reflect robustly on their dusky experience:
"Watching Michigan Wolverines play live was a great experience.
Michigan Wolverines game kept us entertained throughout the entire
game. Minutely a simplifying guru lands a city, but the governor always
has a set of beach about another piffle over another engineer! Michigan
Wolverines have the zaniest tasting labyrinth at their concession
stands."
http://www.theseats.com/college-football/michigan-wolverines-tickets.aspx
Ninja Football and I have discussed this before, but this website is
full of top-end hilarity. Just read the reviews. They were pretty much written using Mad Libs.
Charlie Weis can't coach
in the hell is that website? Those comments are exactly like Mad Libs.
They sound like some of the recent posts around here...hur hur.
No question, Jim.
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Just thank the lord Greg Schiano said no. Mallett might still be around but he'd have slapped the shit out of all his receivers.
IMHE
Curious. Never been to Spartan Stadium. How long has Sparty done the whole blow-up-the-logo-with-the-eye thing?
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Is Spartan Stadium really worse than Welsh-Ryan Stadium?
For someone who holds nothing but disdain for Michigan State, you sure make random jabs at them a lot.
Since it's so close, I'm pretty sure Spartan Stadium is the stadium where the largest number of Michigan fans have made the trip to, so it's a good reference point. It just so happens to also be one with large amounts of advertising and cheesy antics to "fire up the crowd".
Fair enough. I can't really talk, since we make fun of Michigan's intense focus on their waves and tell people "don't be a wolverine" when they complain about a victory. Familiarity, I guess.
i dislike something ergo i make fun of it?
Attended Cal at UCLA last year. Fantastic game, but weird atmosphere: UCLA has lots of scripted cheers (7-clap, whatever), stations yell coordinators in rugby shirts in the stands around the stadium to keep everyone on the same page; some true and knowledgeable football fans, all very polite, sort of an annoying sympathetic shared experience vibe in response to the M shirt, not very drunk, tons of cheerleaders down on the field not doing very much (lots of standing around chatting), band has that odd fight song that has a calliope quality -- the whole thing was fun (it's college football, it was a great game, and the underdog won at home on Parent's Weekend), but kind of Stepford Wives-ish. Tailgate activity in the Arroyo Seca is nice, very tame, very well-attended. Just odd -- or just different.
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i...i know you!
but from where???
Woof.
"You don't need a Blaupunkt, you hayseed. You need a curveball!" -- C. Davis
"You ain't gettin' that cheese by me, Meat." -- C. Davis
DAJ
Has anyone here ever been to Happy Valley? The State Penn fans are supposed to be nuts. It seems like it gets absolutely deafening there. What is it like? Are the fans classy? What's up with the lion's roar? I think that Lloyd Carr said that he found that roar amusing. Hey, at least they don't have a graphic of a lion blowing up shit with its eyes.
FWIW, Michigan Stadium can get very loud for key plays. I think that there are stadiums out there that are quieter. I also think that Michigan has the best lion of all.
Charlie Weis can't coach
I've been to a bunch of games in Happy Valley, against Michigan, against big-time non-Michigan opponents, and against meh opponents.
The stadium is off to the side of campus, surrounded by miles of rolling hills. It has an awesome tailgating scene that stretches for miles.
The stadium on the outside looks like something your kid built with his Erector set. They just kept adding on to it over the years without ever going back and giving it a unified look. Lots of exposed metal beams. If your seat is in the upper decks, you feel like you are climbing up the first hill of a roller coaster, exposed to the elements and defying gravity to get there. It all looks like a massive high school stadium on steriods. (Their stadium did get louder over the years as they added decks and skyboxes, so there is some hope for the Big House.)
Inside the stadium, the grass is beautiful. Unlike us, Penn State figured out how to grow grass in crappy weather. The press box is about seven miles in the air, and the home team's sideline is on the "wrong" side of the field. The crowd is broken up by all of the levels and sections, so it does not seem like there are as many people in there as there are at the Big House.
The crowd intesity and loudness is a dichotomy, depending on the opponent and the time of day. A mid-day game against a meh opponent has the same tepid complacent crowd as we get in Michigan stadium. Loud cheers for big plays, the rest of the time just a mass of people milling around. The big draw is the tailgating.
Their specialty, however, is night games against big time opponents. The Warewolf comes out. The atmosphere is make-your-arm-hair-stand-up electric. There is usually a White-Out in effect. When it comes to XXX-Out's, either do them compeletly, or don't bother. They do it right. The crowd is loud and intimidating, but not hostile inside the (non-student section) stadium. Stay out of the student section, or wear neutral white and try to pretend to cheer for them or lose a contact lens or something defensible.
Wear earplugs. not because the stadium is so loud, but because the recorded Nitanny (mountain) Lion roar will make you want to slit your wrists by the 42nd time you hear it, and you still will have 3 more quarters to go.
On the whole, I highly recommend attending a game there. Go in the heart of fall when the leaves are changing. Spend the time (it takes forever to get in and out of there) and money to see a big time game. It is one of those scenes that is the essence of college football.
M'Dog
I went to the 2006 M-PSU (Alan Branch) game and you missed some of the most important details.
1. They LOVE Zombie Nation. They sometimes play it over the fight song.
2. Paternoville. Everyone brings RVs and camps out in this field that smells like cow poop. It's kind of an odd, Nascar-party vibe for a respected East Coast school.
3. The fans take their Michigan losing streak seriously--many of them seem resigned to losing to us, even when their team is pretty good. Also, they hate Ohio State way more than I expected.
They hate us because of the streak, but if it was more even, they wouldn't really hate us beyond a normal rivalry. Before the streak got going, they actually kind of liked us and respected us as a model program.
M'Dog
Something you brought up reminded me of what I think is one of the most overlooked aspects of the stadium-noise discussion: game time.
Whenever somebody mentions how much louder stadium X is than Michigan Stadium, they always seem to specifically mention night games. I wonder if they'd have the same reputation if no game started later than 3:30.
The lion "roar" at Penn State is pretty funny, but doesn't hold a candle to the lion roar in the Silverdome, which sounded like an airplane toilet flushing.
Actually, that was usually pretty appropriate for the Lions.
when i wen't i said to myself that it was the loudest stadium i had ever been to. arguably still is. the student section there is by far the loudest, craziest i have ever seen. and the tailgating is awesome. other than that happy valley kinda blows. but they do everything right on gameday and the stadium is absolutely a must to goto if you're a big college football fan.
i only respect other superfans
Pang of regret? Hopefully that was momentary, Brian. RR is 10 years younger and with ample talent for his scheme, will be more consistently lethal.
Also, Miles would've kept his buddy Gittleson around. Game. Set. Match.
Go Blue
why would you wear michigan stuff to an auburn game? or a texas game? why not just wear normal clothes?
Their "Kick Me, I'm Stupid" shirt was at the cleaners.
I wore my UM shirt to the UF-Hawaii game. It wasn't very pretty.
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They don't seem to be the classiest. I heard a story somewhere that some LSU fans were at a bar in Gainesville and Florida fans started chanting "Katrina." Not quite Southern hospitality.
Charlie Weis can't coach
Haha I've dealt with same thing Brian dealt with; all the Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and UT Austin games I go to, I'm decked out in Michigan gear and everyone is like "WTF, you are at the wrong game." Always the Michigan fan, no matter when and where.
As in actor Leslie Neilsen, from Naked Gun fame.
Go Blue
and I'll eat my shoe if he's ever any good.
That is all.
Go Blue
......am not convinced that he's all that great of a coach......but, one thing is for sure, he is on a big of a lucky streak as I have seen a coach go on, as far as dialing up trick plays and 'from-the-gut' calls.
Reminds me of when Bowden had it rolling with Danny McManus and Casey Weldon in the late 1980s and early 1990s at FSU. Everything the dude called back then turned out Gold. Same with Lester right now.
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can we PLEASE stop masturbating over whether les miles would or wouldn't be this or that? jesus christ, he's not here, and he ain't coming.
(by the way...saying that he has "lesticles," while being funny as hell, really has absolutely nothing to do with whether he's legit or not. calling trick plays half a dozen times a game is either a) daring, b) aggressive, or c) stupid as hell. i vote c. the guy has balls where his brains should be.)
How does one get Jerdan out of Jordan, I know Favre. If you had a tough time with that Auburn cheer try Alabama's "rammer jammer yeller hammer". Neyland is so loud it's scary, noise doesn't leave the stadium because of the way it is built.
unidled
Especially if the game you went to was the UT-Cal game from '04 where the Fighting Creamsicles scored the first 28 points or something on their way to a rout. It was pretty cool.
i was at last year's game too. it was not especially loud by any stretch. michigan stadium would have been louder. wisco is a great place for a trip nevertheless
as for the general loudness issue. obviously michigan isnt the loudest, but people have inflated ideas of other places, usually based on tv. ohio stadium may be rocking for michigan, but its nothing special for akron. yet people come back from michigan - miami and complain about the crowd. or michigan-osu when we're getting killed in the rain.
good team + good game = good crowd.
nfm
To add to what chrisgocomment said, I've sat under the overhang at Camp
Randall in Madison (diagonally across from the UW student section) and
I couldn't even hear myself think with the noise reflecting off the
concrete upper deck above.
I think with any stadium, it's all about
where you sit -and to get a sampling of numerous areas in the stadium-
to get a true idea of the noise levels.
That makes sense. That side line has an upperdeck over it doesn't it? I'm sure that makes it much louder, not to mention the proximity to the students.
Oh well, I felt good about the noise level at Michigan Stadium for a little while, at least.
No question, Jim.
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I've had the good fortune to attend several games at Jordan Hare, due to a friend having season tickets. Love the fans, love the atmosphere. The tailgating was awesome. And yeah, every time I wore my Michigan stuff in, I'd get the "you're at the wrong game" thing, too.
I gotta get back down there some time.
And yeah, every time I wore my Michigan stuff in, I'd get the "you're at the wrong game" thing, too.
When you get the above, you got to come up with a good, snappy response. Something like:
Yah, I know, any game at Auburn is the wrong game, but I figure if you guys can take it, so can I.
+100 to you sir.
Why would you bring up regrets about not landing Les? Rich is every bit the coach Les could have been up to this point and has a 2010 NFL D-line in the works. I'm sure others just glossed over that comment...but it took me a while to get over the Miles saga and to have somebody re-hash all that is just...man.
Damn You Cook *shakes fist in the air*
Agreed on the VCR line...that was on some RBUAS type shit.
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That rules.....one of my favorite "cheers" in all of football.
Very glad to hear you enjoyed your experience.....one of my "dreams" in life is to take a year off and go each Saturday to the biggest game in the SEC......I am Big 10 through and through, but as far as live games go, it is all I know, so I've always wanted to go to Athens, the Swamp, the Bayou, Grove and the Plains. You name it.
Originally, I wanted to write a book about it, but its been done already enough times, so that is a tired idea.....of course, I still want to take a year and follow SEC football.
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