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|2 days 2 hours ago||This, exactly..||
I posted below, but your post more succinctly and accurately summarizes what my thoughts are. If we stick with DG for the balance of the year, I also think we'll need a shift like you suggested: ""screw it Brady....we need to just go back to the full spread like I did at U of W".
|2 days 2 hours ago||A thought on DG's regression...||
I don't know if the sands of time have caused my memory to cloud or not, but... when I think back to 2013 - or even 2012 - DG, I remember a fast athlete. Maybe not Denard fast, but fast enough that you knew he could run well. Fast enough to be viable to run a spread style offense.
This year, I feel like he not only looks slower on footspeed, but almost all aspects of his game seem slower... or maybe indecisive is a better word.
I can't help but wonder if this is at least partly the result of the staff trying to turn him into a classic drop back QB, which has left him no longer just reacting... but now always thinking about what he should be doing. Afraid to make a mistake, which then becomes exactly what happens. The extreme analogy is that we're trying to turn him into a John Navarre style QB.
I think it makes sense that when you take a good athlete and make him think all the time instead of react, it will slow them down. There are times when I see him drop back, look around and I think "Just run!", but he doesn't - then the pocket collapses and he gets sacked. It's hard for me to fathom that this is the same athletic QB we all saw at the '13 ND game, or the '13 OSU game for that matter. He doesn't even look like the same guy... and I wonder if all the talk about his propensity to make bad decisions has become a self fulfilling prophecy.
I also wonder whether or not that there could be any issues after the broken foot injury from last year - whether it healed at 100%, because his footspeed doesn't seem what it used to be. I think he would struggle to be a true spread / option QB right now.
Just curious if anyone else has had similar thoughts.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Lack of choices?||
I understand your point- I really do... I recall telling fellow UM friends and alums "I'd rather have a proven coach who knows nothing of UM than a guy who loves UM but 'had that one year where he almost won the MAC' coaching".
But - really - who else were our choices? If you're remembering that we had a full array of other proven, elite coaches that would have come to UM with the right amount of bankroll, I suggest that your memory may be experiencing a bit of revisionist history. The only other choice that I recall having a chance with was Miles... and I recall this because I was excited about the possibility, but remember vividly being in the minority because the prevailing sentiment at the time (at least on this mgoblog site) seemed to be, "Well, yeah Miles... but we don't want that guy... he's a potential trainwreck".
Maybe I'm the one with the failing memory, but I followed the whole coaching search thing pretty closely too - and I can't think of one proven commodity that we had a real chance at landing outside of Miles.
If anything, I think I've learned that any coaching change - outside of a proven commodity - is a 50-50 crap shoot. And the number of "proven commodity" coaches is a small, finite group (like - 6 or less). The Buckeyes lucked out because they landed one of that small group. But heck, even Brian Kelly was a crap shoot... and it wasn't that long ago that my fellow ND alums were wondering aloud whether the job was too big for him.
I wished for better, to be sure. But unless we have a proven commodity that we know would come here - any coaching change is just going to be another 50-50 crap shoot.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||actual LOL...||
Thank you for the morning chuckle and little bit of levity mgoblue98... I needed that this morning!
|44 weeks 2 days ago||Nice to see the guys haven't stopped bustin' their butts...||
... happy for the win. Looking at the gif though - were we set? I'm looking specifically at the top of the screen at the right most player who is on the line of scrimmage. Hard to tell from a gif, but I think we may have gotten away with one there. Nevertheless, it was an amazing effort and execution just to get M in the position to have the chance.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||Thank you for the actual LOL!||
I really needed that today - well done!
|45 weeks 2 days ago||For Borges||
I would just love to ask Borges: "Al, I don't know how familiar you are with math, but wondered if you knew that 9 > both 6 and 7??"
|1 year 19 hours ago||Agree with you to a large degree||
I've told the Buckeye folks around me that it's different in Michigan - it's different in Ann Arbor. They bristle at the idea of it, and then share some 3rd time removed horror story about how someones car got keyed back in the day. Without having seen the other side, they can't imagine that we really *don't* take the hate thing to the same level. Again - painting with a broad brush and agree with your comment on the fact that doing so cannot be 100% accurate.
I have though gotten to know some 'good Buckeyes' and having lived down here in the snakepit for over 10 years, realize that we do have threads of commonality between us - and that's something that I didn't believe before I lived here.
To be honest - it was a bit more enjoyable when I was younger and could color every OSU fan as a belt buckle wearing, skoal chewing, funyun eating hillbilly who loved to drape themselves in scarlet and talk of pushing out-of-gas-cars across state lines and trying to go for 3 in late November. I mean - that first trip to Columbus... they had *BILLBOARDS* out with "Screw the Blue" and an alternate version of "The Victors". Hell, I don't think anyone of my friends even *knew* their song, much less created a different version of it! And I was born & raised in Ohio. Columbus was truly was like an inverse image of Ann Arbor. Very much a negative.
Again - I know I can't speak for all people or all viewpoints.. only what my experience has been, how I've seen them change or how my own perceptions have changed. Maybe it's just a maturation thing on my part. I do believe the current wining streak has taken some of the nastiness out of them. But I do agree that hating Michigan is still a thing that they pride themselves on. As is often the case, the loudest ones usually set the biggest impression.
|1 year 19 hours ago||Ha! No it wasn't - good||
Ha! No it wasn't - good catch!
|1 year 1 day ago||The atmosphere at Ohio Stadium has changed over recent yrs..||
I'm now working on a streak where I've been to 24 straight UM-OSU tilts (this November will be #25... God, I'm getting old). Painting with a broad brush, OSU still has an inordinate number of ogre-like fans, but my opinion is also that the atmosphere *has* shifted over the past 5-10 years. Full disclosure - I do live in Columbus now, so maybe my judgement is clouded. I'd like to think that having lived in both AA and Cbus, that I have a very balanced viewpoint.
When I went to my first game in C-bus in 1990 - it was literally a "What planet am I on?" moment.. the whole thing with people getting up in your face, screaming, threatening death - basically treated like a sub-human piece of garbage. After the '96 upset, I saw a UM fan walking back to the car get attacked (=tackled, kicked and beaten) before his co-hort ogre fans pulled him off and said, "It's over, just forget it".
The arrival of Tre$$el, and the subsequent winning, was probably the salve that healed the wound for OSU fans. There was still strong dislike in '02-'04, but it was different. The long period of waiting for the shoe to be on the other foot was at hand (if I recall correctly, from 1980-2000, OSU only won 5 times). By the time the '06 #1-#2 game happened, it was like they'd finally made the transformation - UM was the yin to their yang in "The Game", and by this point, Lloyd was an admirable but totally benign foe.
We won't even get into the RichRod years - as many might guess, their smug attitudes shifted into ones of almost more pity. Which, of course, just made everything worse as a UM alum and fan.
Last year, I had multiple fans after the game stop, wish us well, and ask if we'd been treated well during the visit. OSU has put forth a large effort in the whole "Best Fans in the Land" thing - I think some of that was the negative press they received with the Texas and USC games. From my perspective, they've made strides - but again, winning cures alot of ails. They've got the one of the best coaches in the country, they're poised to have the upper hand in the rivalry for probably at least another 3-4 years, and I do not sense that any OSU fans really believe that Hoke has the goods. Life is good for OSU fans right now, as much as it pains me to say that.
On the flip side of the coin, I've also seen a shift at *our* home games. Starting to see hints of things in Ann Arbor that I used to only see at OSU. But that's another post entirely.
|2 years 43 weeks ago||one data point..||
Back in the 90's, when times were much better for us in "the rivalry", I know that my lifelong best friend and I - both raised in Ohio, but long time M supporters and alums - used to tweak our friends / families / alums who were OSU fans or alums by saying this. That is, back when M was routinely winning, we used to *LOVE* to say, "You guys aren't even our biggest rival! It's (insert ND or MSU)!".... Not that either of us really believed that, or thought that. But when we'd say it, it would invariably drive said OSU fan into a blind rage, about which we would cackle in delight.
I'm sure we weren't the only M people doing this to OSU folks. So, maybe it was a little of that too. Plus the Moeller thing in '94.
Go Blue - beat the Ogre Tech Buckeyes!
|2 years 46 weeks ago||Thanks misopogon - a question||
Appreciated your reviews and thoughts... They've definitely made me want to get the book to read the details and help crystalize my own thoughts about the RR era. I went to pick up the book from Barnes & Noble but it's currently back ordered.
I've got an almost tangential question from your posting - Do you really believe that the OSU game this year is at least a 50-50 proposition? For me, I believe that it's the first time in a long time that it will be non-zero, but 50%? Just curious why you think our chances are that high?
Like I said - tangent to the main thrust of your post. Thanks for all the review work and sumary on the book.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||Thks for the memories||
Thanks to Brian for recognizing and WH for the video... memories of Vada, the '89 team and my frosh year at UM. For a minute, I was back in the Taylor House lounge watching that UCLA game on TV. What great memories of a great chapter of life and a great era for UM.
RIP Vada - may God's blessings be on your surviving family.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||Was thinking the collision||
Was thinking the collision was with Todd Plate after Plate had intercepted OSU?!? Or am I misremembering? I recall that the Plate collision was on a pick (he had 2 that day), and that we waited around forever for the player to move.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||the truth||
Mgrowold speaks the truth... heck, I didn't even know about Herbstreit selling his house until my fellow UM alum who lives in Austin TX called me and told me. Why? Because it's not been on *any* of the news media here in Cowtown that I've seen. Around here, you're either 100% zealot Buckeye or you're an enemy. Very little in-between.
|5 years 8 weeks ago||OSU disparity..||
...Brian - not sure where you get that the Cowshoe is "considerably smaller than Michigan Stadium"... they're not that far apart.
Also - in addition to OSU tickets costing more, the "PSL's", if you will, at OSU are WAY more than what we pay. Friends of mine with season OSU tickets have to join the Presidents Club... they pay a HEFTY fee each year just for the priviledge. UM is coming up to speed with our "Seat Donation", but the dollar figures are still WAY behind the Jones'. I sit in the end zone and I don't pay $0.01 for my season. People between the 30's at UM pay - what, $500/year? The President's Club is like 4x that, IIRC.
And all of this is not even to speak of the whole luxury boxes / suites. That's just additional gravy on the biscuit.
OSU is ahead of us in cash because the OSU fanbase pays more to have the priviledge of having tickets. Simple as that.
|5 years 15 weeks ago||OL and DL guys...||
I see no way that Kruse, Hankins or Easterly get an offer. Afterall, I have a hard time seeing them being able to play the slot. I never thought I'd be so sick of hearing about UM's recruiting for a position as I am the slot receiver. How many slot receivers does one team need? It *feels* like we're shooting for around 35... Go blue!
|5 years 29 weeks ago||My $0.02..||
Here are my $0.02... you can take them for what they're worth. To calibrate you, I've been to every UM vs. OSU game since '89. This past year was my 20th (what a forgettable milestone).
My advice is to wait. I only ever pay ridiculous prices in Columbus. Games in Ann Arbor are rarely ever a hot commodity (from my perspective). To give you some real examples of what I paid:
Those prices were all so I could have tickets in hand before the game. With the exception of '02 and '06, there are always a good supply of tickets on game day.
1997: bought tickets on gameday from scalper $20 over face!
I think in general tickets are more pricey in good years vs. bad, although the data doesn't totally suggest that ('97?). I've also seen ticket prices in Ann Arbor shift over the past 10 years. Not Columbus price crazy, but different than what they were in early 90's when I'd sometimes have 20 tickets for all my OSU friends and never pay more than face.
I can't imagine paying those ridiculous Stubhub prices - especially for a game in Ann Arbor. My opinion is that I'd AT LEAST wait until the season starts. See how UM is doing. I can't see how we'll be much better than 6-5 heading into that game. The ONLY way you pay crazy prices is for the '06 "once in a lifetime" experience. That's not happening this year. If I were you, I'd wait and get tickets at the game. They will be there and you won't pay a fortune.
If you absolutely MUST have tickets in hand before the game, then you're probably stuck. I'd check other avenues as well (e.g. craigslist, etc.). I think stubhub prices are worse, but that's painting with a broad brush.
BTW - if I read your post correctly, I think we share the same birthday! What a birthday present that was last year, huh? Not much for me to cheer about in that one.
Good luck and Go Blue!
|5 years 30 weeks ago||Carrot Top is awful!?||
...Wow, I guess I'm definitely in the minority here. I usually go see comedians in concert. I've seen quite a few. I laughed harder at Carrot Top than the vast majority of the others I went to... maybe I was just in the mood to laugh that night, who knows. I'm not saying he's in the Chris Rock echelon, but I don't think he's *that* far out of that top tier.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||Dissenter..||
... I'm clearly in the minority here, but I'm in general not in favor of D State. Doesn't matter what I think anyways, it's done.
I just see games vs. FCS teams as non-win situation. We've already hashed what happens when you lose ala App. State. But even when you win, it's not like those wins count for anything. I'll give tater and aggie credit on their points about confidence.... but nobody else is going to give us "credit" for a win.
Maybe I'm thinking too narrowly about it, but I don't see how a win over D State is going to help us get into a bowl game. They don't even count towards the win total for bowl game eligibility, do they?
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Sorry Gremlin...||
... but I wasn't bluffing and I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I am being honest and realistic.
To say that I'm not a true Michigan man couldn't be further from the truth. Graduated in '93. Season ticket holder since '95. Lead engineering campus recruiter at UM for my company and still go back onto campus several times a year to try and recruit. If you've been on net for a while, I used to write a weekly column for the old Victors Valiant website back about 10 years ago. I'm true blue through and through.
Not sure where your "hate" angle is coming from. I don't hate any programs, and don't mind when other programs hate UM. I don't like to be a laughingstock. I was simply sharing my perspective that most OSU fans that I know (and I know a bunch) were laughing from the moment that we hired Rich Rod.
Like I said before - maybe in time the joke will be on them. But to think that OSU fans are quivering in their boots at the thought of Michigan running rampant on their defense just seems far fetched to me. But that's my perspective.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||A little bit of reality..||
... I think that only time will tell whether RichRod was the right hire. There is probably a bevy of arguments that can be made for or against RichRod, but I think it's too early to say he was the right hire. Prior success is not a guarantee of future success - and as we all know, sometimes these things just don't work out. I think the multitude of examples have already been discussed on here, so I won't rehash.
Also, your comment, "...staying awake at night with visions of nightmarish 52 yard QB scrambles through, over, and around their defenses like OSU is doing right now? Because this hire instills no fear in them." is a bit far fetched. I've now lived in Columbus for 10 years and I know ZERO people from OSU who are the least bit worried about the scenario you describe above. Most of the OSU people I know were ready to give Rodriguez a 10 year extension early in the season... well before Toledo. Most OSU people I know are laughing at us because they're dumbfounded that we think this whole thing is going to work out well. They're not one bit worried about our spread offense, our offensive "genius", or our much ballyhooed (overhyped?) S&C coach. And can you blame them for anything they might think about our defense when they've got Pryor for at least 2 more seasons?
Like I said above, maybe in due time the joke will be on OSU fans.
But to say that OSU is being kept awake by what UM will do in the future, or that the RichRod hire has installed one iota of fear is crazy. Fear must be earned, and we've not earned anything of the sort. For now, we're still laughingstock.
Hopefully with time, we won't be anymore.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Shazor memories..||
Let's not forget the one thing that I always remember Ernest Shazor for...
"Attention everyone - meet Anthony Gonzalez"
I still have OSU alums/fans who tell me that even THEY didn't know who Gonzalez was until Shazor let him get behind him on that pass play.
|5 years 52 weeks ago||speakin' of apathy...||
You might not want to throw too many stones with your 'empty seats' comment. I cannot make the game this weekend because of another commitment. I've been trying to unload my Wisconsin tickets for less than face for over a week. I can't give these things away. craigslist is saturated. this isn't a hot ticket. and I'd say it's the second best ticket on our whole season package, behind moo u!
So, you might want to hold off on the empty seats comment until you see how much red is in our house on saturday.
|5 years 52 weeks ago||McGuffie...||
I'm hopeful and optimistic, but will reserve judgement until after he's faced a good defense. ND's does not qualify. Now granted, I watched the game at a ND household, but I kept thinking to myself when Sam was making some of those runs that he'd have been stopped much sooner by a better tackling team. My opinion may have been skewed by my surroundings, but I don't think so. Will be fun and interesting to see how he performs vs. the typically physical Wisconsin D.
|6 years 1 day ago||Noise||
Bummed to hear that Camp Randall wasn't all that loud (in your experience). That's one of the top stadiums on my "to experience" list.
I am of the opinion that the noise thing vis a vis Michigan being quiet is NOT overblown though. I've been to the Cow-shoe for every UM vs. OSU game since 1990 and I can say unequivocally that it is louder. Some years moreso than others. Before the game in 1994 it was so loud that I literally almost lost my balance. Like my vision screwed up for a second or two. '98 was also very loud. '02 - not so much. I think the Bucknut fans were too "clenched & puckered" to make much noise until it was finally over.
My experience in Happy Valley was also that Penn State was a louder place than UM stadium.
RE: fans bitching about RR and the offense... I think Brian's tale from Auburn has me convinced that there will be bitching no matter where you are and who the coach is. About the only place where I can imagine "no bitching" is USC, and I bet that's not even right.
As for pondering whether or not we'd be this bad if Miles was still here - it's a valid thing to ponder. I don't think Mallet or Boren leaves if it's Miles and not RR. Mallet, for all of the faults that have been pointed out on this and other forums, still has more ability than what we have today. So, it's not unreasonable to think that had the spread not come to A2, we'd be in much better shape offensively than we are. It's probably not real useful to ponder how much better we'd be, but it's not totally out in left field to wonder.