And have probably never coached either.
i like 'em both
Notes from Rich Rodriguez's Monday meeting with the press.
"This week is probably coming at a good time for some of those guys." Mike Martin and David Molk should be 100% with a week off. Mike Shaw's been limited in practice with a sprained knee, but should be fine.
Denard sprained something in his rotator cuff; it gets aggravated or sore when you fall on it. Worried about the big guys falling on him more than anything. He's not as hurt as Tate was last year, and should be good with a week off. "Hypothetically, we won't talk," but Denard would probably be good to start if there was a game this weekend. He's still the team's starter, despite Tate's solid play on Saturday.
On Fitzgerald Toussaint: "I'm optimistic he can practice this week."
Not sure how long Odoms will be out. "That's a tough blow because he was playing pretty good football." If he can return by the end of the year, he could play a bit.
Defensive personnel moves "Kenny Demens we thought played pretty well... He's played well enough that Obi will have to beat him out in practice over the next week and a half."
"Carvin Johnson we thought did some good things at Spur." With Mike Martin's injury, Adam Patterson got a chance to step up and he did well.
No practice Monday-Tuesday (players are on fall break), but the team will practice Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday for sure.
Big recruiting week for the staff since they don't have a game. "Used to go out a lot on Fridays," but it's tough to get back from a HS game and be ready for a noon game the next day. Coaches are on the road recruiting today and tomorrow.
Get young guys a little better fundamentally. "We'll do a preliminary thing on Penn State as well, try to get a little bit of the game plan in."
No school today or tomorrow, get a break to refresh with no football either. The 12 or 13 true freshmen who have played maybe have hit a wall. Having a bit of a break might make them refreshed this week.
On the day off Saturday, RR will watch some film, maybe watch some future opponents' games. His son Rhett has a Pop Warner game on Sunday.
Tate came in and made some plays, brought a spark. Had some bad habits come back as well. WRs helped him out, but Michigan has three pretty good, young quarterbacks.
Molk - "I think he didn't feel real good in warmups." After a couple plays, he told the coaches he was unable to compete at the level he wanted to. High ankle sprain, but not a severe one.
The coaches have talked to the field goal defense team about recovering blocked FGs, obviously didn't cover that well enough with the kick team. There was too much penetration on the block, but the kick was a little low, too.
Rocko Khoury competed well. He battled hard. "We were worried about his snaps some... and there were 1 or 2 a little bit off..."
Lewan was a little jumpy. Partially nerves going against Clayborn. Part of his troubles may have been unfamiliarity with Khoury's snapping rhythm.
Turnovers. "I think we pressed a little bit at quarterback some." Don't have to throw it 30 yards when you only need 10. The QBs know right after it happens. "Vincent Smith's not a fumbler."
As poorly as the team played, they had a chance to tie up the game, just couldn't make it happen.
On offense, they need to fix execution issues that lead to turnovers. "On defense, certainly the same thing. The same issues with execution and making sure we do that." On ST, kicking and returns have been bad, other units solid. "We've got a couple guys I think could be pretty good returners, we just haven't given them a chance."
All QBs are unique "As a runner, Denard's probably closer to what Woody was with burst." Speed more like Pat White. Denard is still a young guy, he's going to keep getting better, as will the young pieces around him. Offense has evolved to be more run-heavy over the years. "The designed quarterback runs probably started with Woody Dantzler in the late 90s." Nowadays, so many people have some version of it, so there's more defensive creativity to stop it.
"We're a little more multiple. We're probably simpler formationally than a lot of teams." Oklahoma, Oregon, Cincinnati, other spread coaching staffs get together and bounce ideas off each other.
The defensive staff all knows the issues, "I think they've talked about it at length, I know they have because I've talked with them." The players still believe in it. The team is close to playing good defense outside of a couple plays a game "but those two plays count." Need to work on some basics defensively, tackling, getting off blocks, etc. Will work on understanding scheme, which helps guys play faster. At times, tackling has been OK.
"At the end of the last couple drives it wasn't good." More disappointed in the (in)ability to get off blocks. Guys won't be coming free on every play. "Some of that's strength... some if it is technique and being able to see the play, recognize the play, get off your block and make it."
"Some of the issue we have defensively... the only way to get experience is to get experience." Some first-year players can play like veterans, but freshmen are going to have "freshman moments." The goal as coaches is to limit the impact if guys have those moments.
"If I still aspire to call plays and be involved in offensive planning and special teams planning, there's only so much hours in the day." The defensive coaches have expertise and they can devote their time to it. "Vince Lombardi could come too, and that's not going to fix some of the problems we have on defense."
The defense has gotten its share of criticism, but 4-5 turnovers in the past couple games and special teams are both issues as well. "With all that being said, we still have moments that we're playing pretty well against a couple pretty good teams."
Floyd thrust in as the "experienced guy" when Troy went down. Troy was the leader of the group, and will be again when he comes back. "When you look at those guys... you gotta remember most guys, their colleagues that age are being redshirted."
Hagerup kicking better because he's not as nervous.
"This is a really close team, there's no finger-pointing or anything like that."
Defensive concerns might affect makeup of the recruiting class. "Where are your numbers offense/defense, where do we need more help." Make sure you're looking for a particular position, etc. "We're looking all over the country" for a kicker worthy of spending a scholarship on.
"No question" that having a player seriously injured on the field (like Rutgers lineman) is your worst nightmare. "That's certainly is something that's an inherent risk not just in our sport but in all sports, and you always worry about it."
Big Ten shaking out about as expected. "I think the reputation of our league is pretty good nationally this year. It should be." Quality of play throughout the depth of the league is good.
"The first two years were extreme disappointments." Inside the program, you can at least get an idea that the program is being built and the future is bright. "If nothing else I think we're fun to watch." WIshes that weren't the case sometimes.
Playing Alabama in 2012 - "Just looking at the road games... pretty tough road schedule." Denard will be a senior, some of the young guys on this year's team will be juniors, etc. "Our hesitation was giving up a home game to do that." The pros outweighed the cons. Can use the excitement of that future game for recruiting.
Haven't talked too much about other future OOC scheduling, because they don't know when the Big Ten schedules will be finalized.
And have probably never coached either.
Vince Lombardi is going to coach our defense? Awesome!
I don't understand why there aren't more questions about Tony Gibson. When I look at Michigan's greatest weaknesses, I can't help but seeing Tony Gibson's name all over them (of course, that might be because he's actually the coach for db's and special teams.)
I just can't stomach what I see at DB ... that's what I've played, and coached all of my life ... and I simly don't get it. There is no way our kids are that unathletic or stupid. The fact that UM recruited them tells me that they are studs from good high school programs. They should know what to do - at least minimally. And, the mistakes that I see reflect poor coaching. They are athletic kids - who are for sure out experienced - but they should be able to be better than dead last in passing, considering all of the other teams out there in the FBS who recruite kids far below where UM does.
I agree with you. I don't know what the answer is, but hopefully it clears up.
I think the easy answer would be to allow Gerg to bring in his own people instead of trying to piecemeal the defense together. That or do whatever it takes to get Jeff Casteel to Ann Arbor.
Do you know of many DCs who are actually allowed to hire their own assistants? I don't think that's a reasonable criticism.
I don't. Can you tell me?
I think if RR had managed to bring him along we wouldn't be having many of the postgame discussions that fill this board every week. I'm not familiar with the story on why he didn't come unless he was thinking he would be the HC at WVU.
This is exactly the thought that I had while I watched the game - sure, the DBs and special teams are young, but many of the problems that we have seen are a result of poor coaching, plain and simple. The numerous facemask penalties, the lack of knowledge about the blocked FG being a live ball - those are 100% on the coaches.
By the way, I am not talking about RR - I am talking about TG and GERG - by his own admission, RR doesn't do much with the D and special teams. I am ok with this, as a good leader knows how to maximize his own abilities and when to delegate. My only issue is with the people that he is delegating to.
blocked field goal wasn't covered. And then I remembered that I knew about covering a blocked kick when I was playing high school ball. In fact, I (and all of my teammates) knew that you were to cover any loose ball until the whistle blew. I am sorry, but kids at this level should already know that.
Also, I am pretty sure that they all know that you can't grab a face mask. I don't think that they are trying to grab it. Sometimes it just happens while you are trying to grab a hold of anything that you can get your hands on.
By the way, our 2-deep at DB consist of 1 senior, 2 sophmores (on is a walk on) and 5 freshmen.
There's actually been quite a bit of criticism of Gibson lately. I'm not sure how warranted it is. At WVU he seemed to do a good job - he groomed Pacman Jones and turned Ryan Mundy from a major liability (at UM) into a good safety. Here, he's had massive turnover so I don't know how to evaluate him. Overall the DBs are struggling, but the one guy under Gibson's watch with any experience (Floyd) has taken a major step forward. That gives me hope for next season.
As for special teams, they're mostly terrible this year, but last year they were a strength. Maybe it's just one of those years. OSU's STs aren't doing well, either.
I'll take everything you said except your last sentence. Other teams performances don't matter. Only Michigans.
for UMs bad ST play. I think that his meaning was, OSU is a good team with good coaching and has been for years, and yet this year the STs are having problems (so it is not always coaching).
"We're looking all over the country" for a kicker worthy of spending a scholarship on.
get together and share notes.
Why don't we participate when you then say our version of the spread is simpler than others? Does this seem strange? Granted we might meet those teams in a bowl game, but hell, trade some notes. This did not compute.
it has more to do with what a young team led by a sophomore quarterback can handle, rather than any limitation on RR's imagination or desires.
Rod seems to be champing at the bit to build up the sophistication of this offense.
"Our hesitation was giving up a home game to do that." The
pros money outweighed the cons.
with all the negativity. I'll take a three week hiatus and come back and watch the meme turn when we are 8-2 and on our way to a Jan 1st game.
For all the garbage about the D coaches. Obi just sucks, what coach gets prepared for his best CB to break his leg before the first snap and well Seth B is trbl.
I mean JHC, we just put up 525 yds and 29 first downs against the #4 D in the country. We lost by only 10 and had 4 friggin TO's and two drive killing penaltys by a RS Frosh who is the next Jake Long.
People need to get a grip.
to that, brother.