Like this, except instead of everyone happy to be here we're all cold and grouchy. [Patrick Barron]

Punt-Counterpunt: Indiana 2021 Comment Count

Seth November 6th, 2021 at 9:35 AM

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Something's been missing from Michigan gamedays since the free programs ceased being economically viable: scientific gameday predictions that are not at all preordained by the strictures of a column in which one writer takes a positive tack and the other a negative one… something like Punt-Counterpunt.

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PUNT

By Bryan MacKenzie
@Bry_Mac

I hate small talk. I’m guessing you hate small talk. Pretty much everyone hates small talk. But it isn’t as if our caveman ancestors decided, many thousands of years ago, “we should talk about sports and weather while we wait for the elevators.”

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“…so I says to Kroog, I says…”

Instead, small talk is a natural and unavoidable part of human interaction that results from two conflicting issues:

The first is that people, by and large, are extremely uncomfortable with silence. One of the first lessons lawyers learn about taking depositions is to take advantage of that fact; if you ask a question and you don’t get the full answer you wanted, just stay silent for a second. The person being deposed will naturally try to jump in to fill that silence. Same with contract negotiations. And if you have ever been in a disagreement with a significant other, you know the withering power of giving an answer and being met with a silent stare.

[After THE JUMP: Wait, some of the rats DIED?]

The second issue is that individuals will usually have *VERY* different levels of knowledge and interest in different topics. You can stray from safe conversational ground as far as you like, but you’re running the risk of someone getting really mad or really bored. Do you think Albert Einstein’s hair looked like that because he was eccentric, or because he couldn’t afford a trim? No, his hair looked like that because the last time he got a haircut, he sat in the chair and the barber said, “so, whatcha been working on?” And faced with the prospect of trying to explain general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the quest to calculate the curvature of space-time to this gentleman, he got up, left, and never returned.

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“you know, same shit, different shovel”

So, by mutual assent, we stick to common topics like sports and weather. But the problem with having sports on that list is that sports very much fails the second prong, at least for many of you who read this blog. If you are anything like me, and you’re the “Michigan Guy” in the office, the last week was has been people making polite chit-chat about the Michigan game, and you screaming a thousand thoughts internally but managing a polite “yep, it was quite the game” through teeth clenched so amazingly hard Fox would actually run a replay of them.

And so it was, late this week, that a co-worker asked “so, who does Michigan have this week,” to which I responded “Indiana.” And his reaction was, “oh, so they should win that one without a problem.”

It was at that point that the Must Explain Everything To Everyone portion of my brain perked up, and sprinted to a filing cabinet labeled “INDIANA SHIT.” He started pulling out files from 2009 and 2010 and 2013 and 2015 and 2016 and 2017 and 1979 and 2018. He paces nervously, waiting for me to WELL ACTUALLY this poor fool with tales of CHAOSTEAM and stupid Indiana games from days gone by.

And, for a moment, I consider it. But the coworker has adhered to proper Small Talk Protocol, so I likewise adhere. And in the end, this is the right approach. Because even if I did have to explain the full sordid history of football’s zaniest quasi-rivalry where one team has won 39 of the last 41 games, I would then have to dive into the current state of Indiana football. Their 2-6 record. The fact that they are being outscored 170-63 in conference play. The idea that they are on their third string quarterback, a true freshman. I would have to explain that they hadn’t found any consistency on the offensive line, that they couldn’t run the ball at all, and that despite having a veteran secondary they are second-to-last in the conference in passer rating allowed and dead last in points allowed per game.

And then, after all of that, we would end up right back where my co-worker started the conversation: with Michigan winning rather easily. Only now, he’s looking at me like an insane person.

Quite the nice weather we’ve had lately, isn’t it?

Michigan 42, Indiana 17.

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COUNTERPUNT

By Internet Raj
@internetraj

Most of the time, watching sports for me is a mindless distraction, a kind of a warm, luxurious bubble bath that my brain gently dips into for 3-hour intervals. Sometimes my teams win (Michigan basketball!) and sometimes my teams lose (Michigan football!) but, on balance, fandom has generally been an aggregate pleasurable experience for me, an opportunity to tune out the everyday anxieties of life and surrender myself to the gravitational pull of tradition (Hey, they’re running out and smacking the banner again!), nostalgia (Hey, I remember sitting in that stadium and rattling my keys around on third down!), and an enduring, if not tenuous, sense of affiliation and loyalty (Hey, I spent 7 years and $200,000 for two slips of paper from that school!).

When I was in middle school and high school, losses would hit me like an emotional freight train, a gut shot to the soul. It would ruin my day, often my week and, in extreme cases, would gnaw for months at the various dendrites and neurons tucked away in what is now most certainly the dumbest corner of my brain. When TJ Duckett caught that last-second-that-wasn’t-a-last-second touchdown in the Clockgate Game, I questioned the moral fabric of the Universe itself, feeling so deeply wronged that I walked around the halls of Groves High School in a shell-shocked malaise for the entire next week. As the years wore on, though, and I trudged through the viscous frustration of the late-Carr, Rich Rod, Hoke Eras, a combination of monastic acceptance and the realities of adulthood, with all its attendant responsibilities, numbed me from these sorts of visceral emotional swings.

When Blake O’Neill had Trouble With The Snap, I turned the TV off, threw my hands up in the air in resignation, and chuckled at the sheer misfortune of being a Michigan fan. When JT Was Short, I shook my head and sauntered out of the bar, not with deflated despair but with the battered acceptance of a loyal spy who just had two metal electrodes strapped to his groin in hostile territory. And, last week, when the Shin Was Down and then the 16-point lead that withered into an 8-point lead snowballed into a 4-point deficit, I watched with a solemn knowing, at various points nodding and muttering “we’re going to lose aren’t we.” In recent years, I find that is quickly becoming my Michigan football mantra – a deflated intonation of “we’re going to lose aren’t we.”

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Several years ago, I saw a viral photo of an 11-year-old celebrating his eighth championship parade in Boston. At first, I was jealous. I’d kill for Michigan sports to have that kind of success, wouldn’t I? After all, the only thing I had to cling to was half a national championship from 1997 and a few runner-up trophies in basketball.

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In a similar vein, I sometimes find myself seduced by what it must feel like to root for Alabama or Ohio State. Perennial powers that crush their rivals and win championship trophy after championship trophy. That has to be the dream, surely. Doesn’t it?

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I once read a study on addiction using rats where the findings showed that if the rats can confidently predict that they will receive a food pellet when they do a task such as hit a bar, they will do just that until they are no longer hungry. But where the rewards were unpredictable—for example, where hitting the bar would yield no pellet or perhaps one pellet or maybe a jackpot of dozens of pellets—some rats became so addicted to the rush of hitting the bar that they let the pellets pile up and they would stop eating, drinking and eventually die.

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It’s taken me a few years, but I’ve finally found my happiness in sports fandom. It’s not being the Boston sports fan or the Alabama fan or the Ohio State fan that smashes a bar that will reliably and routinely dispense a food pellet. Anyone can do that. It’s boring, to be honest.

Being a Michigan football fan is being the rat obsessed with the lever that sometimes dispenses a food pellet, but mostly doesn’t. Being a Michigan football fan is always looking to the future, which is invariably brighter than the present, waiting and futilely praying for that jackpot of pellets that will never come. Being a Michigan football fan is dying from starvation because you were so fixated on the elusive championship trophies that you failed to satiate yourself with the pile of 9-3 Outback Bowl loss seasons in the corner of your cage.

I’m ready to hit that bar today against Indiana. And I will next week, and the week after that. Who knows what’s going to come out.

But that, I think, is the ultimate fun of it.

Michigan 24 Indiana 21

Comments

Blue Vet

November 6th, 2021 at 10:07 AM ^

Y'know, BMac, you're treading perilously close to MGoWeather's MGoBlog (MGo)territory.

Y'know IRaj, it's not just rats as symbol, right? The slots at casinos are wired be addictive for humans. Same principle.

Games?

What games? I'm still floating down De Nial. I may be back by some random later time. Say 11-6-21, 7:30.

Ezeh-E

November 6th, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^

I like the analogy. In this case Sisyphus gets the rock to the top of the mountain once every year or so and gets to hang out resting there for a week or three before it slips back down (if you consider a win vs. ND or MSU getting a few weeks rest on the mountain top).

If OSU is the mountaintop, then make this once every few years/decades, depending on your fan timeline.

UgLi Eric

November 6th, 2021 at 11:40 AM ^

I gave up hope last week when I read Raj's counterpunt. Mel's word of the day tripped me up, I developed a sweet spot for him, and gave up any sense of rivalry or hatred. Seems this also happened to about half of our coaching staff. They learned a few new words and were distracted just long enough with the word "Vigor" to miss the nonexistent offensive substitution. 

Quadrazu

November 6th, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^

Nicely done!

Raj's column might be perfect, repeated especially for The Game.  We know what the record of the last two decades has been.  We've seen the Death Star (that thing's fully operational!) building in Columbus.

And yet, we'll get revved up a bit to hit the bar... again.  And watch, and groan, and cheer, and likely ultimately have a sad.

But, you have to admit, what keeps you going back (casino too) is that idea that maybe, just maybe, this is the time it comes up BAR BAR BAR.

 

Is the rat dead yet?

ftroop

November 6th, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^

Counterpoint:  small talk is the actual thing that creates society.  You going to start a conversation around Kant in the hot tub of the Fairfield Inn out of the blue?

 

Edit:  never mind, read the rest.  Not bad.

Blue Vet

November 6th, 2021 at 11:25 AM ^

Don't back off. You're right. Small talk IS what creates society.

See Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, by Yural Harari, who builds on earlier scholarship that survival and reproduction has always depended on gossip, that is, knowing who in the tribe are allies, who are frenemies, who hates whom, whom is sleeping with who, who cheats, who is trustworthy.

bhinrichs

November 6th, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^

Interesting article in the WP last week on small talk.

           https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/13/posteverything-small-talk-deeper-conversations/

tl;dr - In a dozen experiments with roughly 1,800 people, as varied as business executives and visitors in public parks, we found that our participants felt happier and more connected than they expected after relatively deep conversations with people they had just met.

How'd they do it:  sample prompts to use with mostly complete strangers:The prompts included: “For what in your life do you feel most grateful?”; “If you were going to become a close friend with the other participant, please share what would be important for him or her to know”; and “Can you describe a time you cried in front of another person?” We adapted these prompts from a procedure designed by psychologist Arthur Aron and his colleagues to create more intimate conversations between strangers. 

Z_Wolverista

November 7th, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^

small talk is the grease that eases everyday interactions, the synovial fluid that lubricates the joining points of human connection. 

it's the shallow water of the pool, where you test the temperature. Minimal commitment, should be easy to back out of the conversation.

not to be confused with gossip (see the study below), which also has its uses...

done creatively, it can be interesting in its own right (sans Kant or Schopenhauer). Can lift spirits without getting too deep or exposing vulnerabilities;

otoh, can be mind-numbingly boring. Then you end it.

LabattsBleu

November 6th, 2021 at 11:49 AM ^

I've sort of gotten numb to it all. Last year was a bit of an epiphany with my respect to my Michigan fandom.

I've taken a bit of a step back and have enjoyed it much more... losses still hurt, but they aren't things I ruminate over for days afterwards.

Michigan is a tier two team... that means somewhere between 5-20th in the nation. That's what they have been under Harbaugh and I expect them to continue...

"Don't expect too much and you'll never be disappointed." should be the new Michigan motto.

 

 

mgobaran

November 6th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^

My lifetime has been pretty successful in terms of championships

1990 Pistons
1995 Wolverines Hockey
1997 Wolverines Football
1997 Wolverines Hockey
1997 Red Wings
1998 Red Wings
2002 Red Wings
2004 Pistons
2008 Red Wings

A lot of blown opportunities too.

1992 Michigan Basketball
1993 Michigan Basketball
1995 Red Wings
2005 Pistons
2006 Tigers
2009 Red Wings
2010 Michigan Hockey
2012 Tigers
2013 Michigan Basketball
2018 Michigan Basketball 

Granted, I don't remember any of them before 1997. But 19 championship appearances in 31 years isn't a bad hit rate. Michigan Hockey and Basketball have a good chance to break the 13-year drought this season. Red Wings could only be a few years away at this point too. 

Perkis-Size Me

November 6th, 2021 at 1:19 PM ^

Perfect encapsulation, Raj. I expect misery but I keep coming back for more because maybe, just maybe, this is the time it all works out.

Like a degenerate gambling addict who’s already 30k in the hole and the Russian loan shark is kicking the door down to my apartment as we speak, ready to stick an ice pick in my eye, but I’m down at the casino going all in on double or nothing to try and get it all back because hey, it’s got to work out this time, right???

I Bleed Maize N Blue

November 6th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^

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MGoBlue00

November 6th, 2021 at 6:56 PM ^

And if you stray from safe conversational ground with BryMac on Twitter, he’ll have a meltdown and block you. So, yes…best to stick to the common ground with him.

Meeeeshigan

November 8th, 2021 at 8:45 AM ^

Incredible writing, as always, gentlemen. What a pleasure to read this site lately.

 

Raj, I believe you have articulately summed up my Michigan Football fandom in a nutshell. I've been struggling to define what it's like, why I continue, etc., and I think you've nailed it. Bravo!