MGoPodcast 14.28: Not Quite Iron Man Comment Count

Seth July 19th, 2023 at 7:00 AM

1 hour and 36 minutes

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1. 2024 Forest View, QB, RB, WR

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How’s the class looking? Michigan has found ways to use NIL to cover tuition for more “walk-ons” and effectively raise their scholarship limit. This is good for Michigan, for players, for the game, for everybody but smaller schools, and solves issues that used to occur when there was more of a crunch (e.g. with St-Juste). Jadyn Davis: has been falling because his Elite 11 showing was middle of the pack, but that’s not his game: winning games is his game. Tate Forcier-like. Jordan Marshall a Charbonnet-esque h2h vs Ohio State. Ka’apana is a glider who can catch. Zach Ludwig is related to Ben Herbert and is a fullback: sold. Goodwin and I’Marion Stewart are okay WRs but not game-changers. Michigan’s offense limits them here.

[The rest of the writeup and the player after THE JUMP]

2. Hot Takes, Tight End and Offensive Line

starts at 35:33

Hogan Hansen is the rare high schooler who can block in high school, Brady Prieskorn is ranked even higher, but they are still Michigan Tight Ends™. The OL are a lot of guys OSU might not have recruited except the two tackles, but M loves its maulers. Of them we’re stoked about Sprague, who’s got Jake Long basketball highlights. Hamilton and Roebuck are guards, Frazier is the RT, Guarnera the center.

3. Defensive Line

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Unfortunately Wafle isn’t pronounced Waffle. Fortunately Beigel (not bagel) is blowing up. Both have length, which the program loves. So does Hammond who’s a build-a-bear. Edge is a mix between high floors (the Smith bros and Nichols) and ceilings: Baxter (a Taco) and Rudolph (an Uche).

4. Defensive Back Seven

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Looking for cornerbacks. Waiting on Aaron Scott, whose head says Michigan and dad says OSU. Might take just two this cycle because 2025 is a load-up year. Linebackers are all do-everythings. We love Jerod Smith’s tape, Curtis and Sullivan are defensive ATHs, Beasley is a Don Brown LB (RB-ish, quick burst). Are Belleville guys a bit sus? Safety is Jacob Oden; Rod Moore minus the extra equals Tyree Kinnel.

MUSIC:

  • "Jerry Rice"—BabyTron
  • "Groceries"—Carrtoons
  • "Nobody Wants me"—Robert Lester Folsom
  • “Across 110th Street”

THE USUAL LINKS:

He’s Finnish at the rim.

Comments

whidbeywolverine

July 19th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

I get that we're not Wide Receiver U, so recruiting the 5* is going to be tough, but I see a role for a BMOC type guy who takes advantage of our running emphasis to be THE MAN, fighting off a double team and high pointing the deep ball, a la Braylon, so I'll remain optimistic, so long as we keep on winning, we're gonna get our very own superstar at wide out.

dragonchild

July 19th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^

WR will be the same as it ever was.  Every now and then a 5-star is going to come to Michigan because they bleed maize & blue.  In a battle?  Forget it.  At most we'll be put on a "top 3" list to turn some other school's NIL offer into an even better counteroffer.  We're not going to "nab" a 5-star WR out of anywhere because we're not Prima Donna U and we're a run-first offense.

trustBlue

July 19th, 2023 at 5:36 PM ^

I'm really not sure when this narrative began to take hold.

In 2017 we had a 4 WR class consting of DJP(5*), Nico Collins(4*), Tarik Black(4*) and Oliver Martin(4*).

Perhaps it was the fact that we criminally underused those guys, but the highest rated guys since then have been AJ Henning, Roman Wilson, and Tyler Morris/Darius Clemons in the 2020 class. 

 

schreibee

July 19th, 2023 at 8:52 PM ^

You stated the narrative quite well -

We "criminally underused" the '17 class, and Roman Wilson (so far, aside from the bowl game), and the '22 class totalled maybe 10 targets. 

This is not osu, placing multiple 1st rounders in the NFL. Go ahead, make an objective case for a 5* WR to play for Michigan. 

I'm hoping the offense actually does get more run-pass balanced, and that more than the TEs will benefit from that.

We have demonstrated we can win every game on our schedule with the style of football played in '21-'22 - except playoff games! 

I see an opportunity to improve that...🤷‍♂️

Blau

July 19th, 2023 at 10:38 AM ^

With the anticipated exodus of draft-eligible players after this year, I'm wondering if it's possible for Mich to have a plug-and-play type of season with freshman/RS freshmen/sophomores for 2024-2025? I know the recent mailbag alluded to this question but I can envision a scenario where Mich has talent across the board but will miss the leadership and senior direction of the current team. 

I think it will be important for the younger players to get meaningful snaps not just in the weak non-conference schedule but in conference and CFP games if they make it that far. If Mich can make to the 12-team CFP format with 2 losses (possibly 3), that would have to qualify as a successful season, right?

bronxblue

July 19th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^

Good stuff.

In regards to recruiting rankings, I think people also sometimes forget that these rankings are somewhat biased toward how guys project to the NFL.  Obviously not a biggest component but you see it especially with QBs where guys who "look" like future NFL players get ranked higher than guys who aren't quite the same, all other things being largely equal.  The NFL does the same thing - it's why guys like Will Levis and Anthony Richardson were drafted so high despite having less-than-stellar resumes in college.  Davis might well not turn into a top-tier QB but at least part of the knock against him is he's sorta short for a QB and doesn't have a cannon of an arm, which limit his pro prospects but don't mean a ton, at least to me, in college.

 

Watching From Afar

July 19th, 2023 at 12:51 PM ^

Comparing UGA to Michigan - yes UGA throws passes to Bowers, but Bennett still threw the ball ~7 times more/game than JJ did. Over the course of a 13-14 game season, that's approaching 100 more attempts. Bennett threw for 4100 yards last year. Their offense is still more attractive than Michigan's is to receiving recruits (TEs or WRs).

Koop

July 19th, 2023 at 1:44 PM ^

I liked the overall take on offense--so, okay, maybe Michigan doesn't get a front-loader full of 5*'s but its style of play and development is good enough to make up the difference. Plus, with "expanded scholarships" Michigan can load up on more prospects and the increased load means more projects will pay off. Fine.

I'm not convinced that the same is true on defense. 5-star athletic freaks on defense, it seems to me, matter. They matter on the line. They matter at the second level. They matter in the secondary. When Michigan has had 5* talent on defense, it pops. When it isn't there--or when Michigan lines up against a glut of 5* defensive talent like Georgia--it makes for a tough, tough day.

Granted, 5* defensive linemen and corners don't grow on trees, and every program in the country covets them. But, boy--and not to take away from the likes of Sub-Zero or Aidan Hutchison--having a Will Johnson, Dax Hill, Jabrill Peppers, Rashan Gary, Charles Woodson--those guys do help, don't they?

Sure, some might be longer term projects (still rooting for you, Keon Sabb); and some other guys (Hutch, O-Ja-Bo, Sub-Zero, etc.) have developed at Michigan and become legit game-wreckers. But when I think about the next step to the mountain-top (and that's really what I'm considering here; the Harbaugh era has already raised expectations for Michigan once again to be a consistent B1G champion contender)--slowing or shutting down Ohio State's passing attack; slugging it out toe-to-toe with the likes of Georgia--the talent gap on defense concerns me some.

dragonchild

July 19th, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^

Thing is, it seems half the time Michigan lands a 5-star the talent gets sucked into a void on the roster anyway, so the result is a wash.  Peppers basically did what he came here to do, but DPJ spent his time going CJ-vs-OSU against defenses, only to turn around in the end zone and see that Shea had shat his pants and fled literally the cleanest pocket in football.  Rashan Gary had to play B-gaps because our DTs at the time were butt.  Dax projected to safety but got moved to slot corner because he was the only guy who could do it.

On the other hand, does anyone care that Aidan Hutchinson and Zak Zinter weren't 5-stars, at this point?

It'd be nice to "recruit" like Georgia but as long as that's not going to happen, I'm much happier with depth everywhere than, "OK we got a 5-star, oh crap now we need the 5-star to play two positions because this other starter is Just A Guy."

You definitely need playmakers to win, but we're increasingly finding our own.  I feel that's going to become only more the case over time, as NIL turns scouting and recruiting into a money game.

DetroitDan

July 19th, 2023 at 6:09 PM ^

It could also be that most of our 5 stars haven't played that well for us.  Gary was probably the most disappointing (up there with some of our recent basketball recruits).

I like how Woodson got thrown in Koop's 5 star list, despite being 25 years ago. 

As to the idea that our recent 5 stars have just had the bad luck to play alongside lesser athletes, I'm somewhat skeptical. At least Dax Hill got to b part of a championship team. 

2manylincs

July 19th, 2023 at 6:12 PM ^

Damn you guys for mentioning Don Brown linebackers again. 

I had to go watch the modern Don brown linebacker again. 

That thing just gets better with age.