Let's Start Again: Point Guard Comment Count

Brian May 26th, 2021 at 11:37 AM

A series looking at Michigan's 2021-22 basketball outlook. Previously: center, power forward, small forward, shooting guard.

ROSTER

DeVante' Jones (Sr.): Coastal Carolina transfer shot 54/33 from floor with big FT rate and 87% shooting at the line. Had top 50 assist rate as sophomore before being pushed into more of an off-ball role last year. Crafty more than explosive.

Franke Collins (Fr.): Lightning-quick freshman has sauce levels worthy of Michigan's recent point guard legacy. Makes cynical blog type persons describe him in broad talk radio terms like "winner." Shooting questionable. 

Eli Brooks (Sr.+): Brooks was the nominal PG for about 20% of Michigan minutes last year and this went just fine, with TOs ticking down and 2P% ticking up. If he gets some PG minutes that'll work.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

How is DeVante' Jones going to translate from the Sun Belt?

We have a fairly close comparable from just last year. Mike Smith came from the Ivy League with massive usage and questionable athleticism, and he translated. He did so by almost halving his usage from 34% to 19%. This cut out a lot of high degree-of-difficulty shots, which was great behind the line—Smith's 3P% jumped from 34% to 42%—but insufficient to keep his efficiency inside the line consistent. Smith went from a 47% two-point shooter to a 41% one and his TO rate shot up from 14 to 21. Even so the numbers added up to an effective stopgap. Michigan won't be asking much more from Jones, and at first blush the transition will be similar.

[After THE JUMP: Relax, don't do it, he's a seven foot unicorn [DOES IT ANYWAY AT MAXIMUM VOLUME] ]

For the duration of Jones's career the Sun Belt has ranked in the same area as the Ivy League on Kenpom (until this year, when the Ivies didn't play and Sun Belt nonconference scheduling became so impossible that most teams played 4-5 non D-1 schools). Bart Torvik Dot Com has an implausibly sunny projection in which Jones becomes a 17% usage guy with a 122(!) ORTG—14 points higher than Smith last year.

There are some major differences, though:

  • Jones has a lot less usage (25%) to give back to the Hump Up Some Crap gods.
  • Jones's efficiency is much more dependent on his ability to get to the rim—42% of his shots there vs 33% for Smith in his last year at Columbia, and Jones converted at a clip that was 10 points better—and the line than Smith.
  • Jones does not project as a knockdown shooter. He's at 32% on more than 300 career attempts without the kind of excessive chucking that would lead you to believe he's fired a lot questionable shots he can drop once he arrives on a better team. 83% of his threes were assisted last year.

All of these urge caution. Jones's game is a ton of crafty takes that may not translate that well against higher level competition.

On the other hand, Jones gives off a certain "point guard Austin Davis" vibe. He has a bail out option when he's cut off, which is an 80th percentile floater that he's almost at 1 PPP on. The PNR section of this highlight reel features it:

It also features a wide array of approaches. He's able to drive both ways, though he favors his right; he's got a spin move and a eurostep; he rejects screens and pulls up with that floater. The diversity of Jones's game is encouraging, because he's going to get guys going the wrong way and the increased athleticism of the league isn't going to matter as much.

Also there's a Coastal Carolina factor in his PNR numbers. This is most evident in his sophomore numbers, when he was the primary PG and put up a whopping 331 PNR possessions. His own offense: 63rd percentile. Passes to spot-up shooters: 57th percentile. Passes to the roll man and cutters: 19th percentile. (This is similar to Franz Wagner's PNR work last year, where Michigan was 0-fer on spot-ups off of Wagner passes for most of the season.) Jones was working with Tommy Burton, a 6'8", 215 pound JUCO transfer, as his nominal center. Going from that guy to Hunter Dickinson and Moussa Diabate should see Jones's PNR efficiency jump.

Jones is burlier than Smith and should be able to power his way through some opposition, and I'd expect him to approximately replicate Smith's performance (tertiary offensive option, decent defensively, questionable near the rim, sets up teammates a ton). This qualifies as reasonable optimism relative to Torvik's statistical projections.

How annoying are you going to be about Frankie Collins?

If all goes well, spectacularly annoying. Maybe the "give me guys who" thing is overplayed, but give me 5'11" point guards who try to dunk on Chet Holmgren.

I spent chunks of the last few months watching Michigan recruits play, because Michigan basketball recruits now pop up on ESPN with some regularity, and most of the time I watched Collins's Air Nado team play I came away buzzing. Dude shows up everywhere. He is a ball-dominant point guard no one can stay in front of, and also he hunts skip passes, and also he skies for tough rebounds in crunch time. He is both good and fun.

He took on Emoni Bates Prep in a game both Matt D and I had a close eye on.

Matt:

…the best player on the court by a fairly wide margin. He was electric in the open court, converting at the rim with explosion and sudden euro-steps, but his shot creating ability in half-court settings is what popped out from an evaluation perspective. Frankie was superb at navigating through traffic, collapsing the YP defense and finding teammates on dumpoffs and kickouts. His six assists don't do his playmaking justice.

 

Collins gets in the lane and then all hell breaks loose. I compared him to Zavier Simpson after one outing...

…and the the Reply Guys said things like "do not want," because there's always someone on Twitter with his brain leaking out of his ears. Simpson was the starting point guard on teams that ranked 6th, 7th, and 16th on Kenpom! Yeah, Collins's shooting is questionable, and so was Simpson's, but . And Collins isn't going to have to develop a crazy skyhook to be effective near the basket since he can just elevate and dunk on (most) people.

There is going to be a transition period. Air Nado did not play with a real big—the loss to Ypsi Prep was largely because Ypsi Prep had a 6'9" guy who put back all of Bates's misses—and Collins hasn't done a lot of entry passing. He hasn't hit the roll man much. He absolutely can do these things, but there's going to be a period where it's rough. Transitioning from wide-open AAU ball to Juwan Howard's diverse offense is also going to be a process. Maybe that takes a few months; maybe it takes a year. I am betting on Collins as a long-term college star, unless he fixes his jumper and becomes a short-term college star.

Does anyone else have a shot here?

All three of the guys discussed in the shooting guard section are hypothetically projectable to PG. Brooks played it some last year; Zeb Jackson came in as a PG; Kobe Bufkin is widely considered a combo guard. If Collins is shaky to start and Jones is more Jaaron Simmons than Mike Smith, what happens?

Probably this:

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Brooks used 132 PNR possessions last year, a number far higher than I expected, and was dead average on them. I would expect Brooks to get primary ball-handler duties even if the offense starts running through more dynamic guys after an initial action or two. That goes double if Michigan does indeed run a ton of high-low sets or just posts Dickinson a ton and relies on his gravity to create open shots and/or driving lanes.

Even if things go poorly here I'd expect alternative guard options to operate mostly in an off-ball role while the professor gets the gears in motion.

Comments

Gameboy

May 26th, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^

I am not worried about Jones' 3 point shooting. His free throw rate (87%) tells me he is a good shooter. I am guessing he will end up shooting somewhere around 36% for us and that should be good enough. Individual offensively, I don't think we are losing much from Mike Smith. PNR numbers do worry me though...

AC1997

May 26th, 2021 at 12:03 PM ^

I will try to cling to your optimism.  I think Smith was an elite shooter and last year we almost always had four good-to-great shooters surrounding Dickinson.  This year it projects to be 2....

Jones seems like he's going to need to be wide open to get that shot off and even then we're hoping for a Simpson-like 35% on low volume.  That's a far cry from what Smith did last year.

You might try to sell me on Johns being a shooter....but he's been such a reluctant shooter in his career and very streaky that I'm skeptical and it will be a definite step down from Livers/Wagner.  I think we're going to see more PnR and high/low....but that the offense in general will take a step back.

UP to LA

May 26th, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^

"Elite" is overstating things a bit. Smith's .418 average was great...but on under three (mostly wide open) looks a game. In terms of both individual scoring efficiency and his gravitational effect on defenses, not hard to imagine Jones being in the same ballpark. Chaundee and especially Livers are the bigger shooting losses, but it's reasonable to expect Houstan to pick up a lot of slack there. And I really don't think that Wagner was any more of a shooting threat last year than Johns is likely to be this year.

AC1997

May 26th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

Fair enough I guess....he wasn't NBA Duncan or Michigan Stauskas I guess.  But I'll split hairs with you and say....

  • Smith shot >44% in B10 games
  • He finished with the fourth best % in conference games
  • His 63 attempts were on the low side to be sure but not far off from others in the top 10 (Williams-62, Fredrick-73, Brown-76)
  • He was the best shooting PG in the conference and it wasn't close.  Maybe you'd pick Bohannon and his 198 attempts, but he shot 39%.  Maybe you'd argue for Ayo, but he only hit 39% and only took 80.  

Smith wasn't asked to shoot a lot of them, but when he did he made them at an "elite" percentage. 

UP to LA

May 26th, 2021 at 4:52 PM ^

He was the best shooting PG in the conference and it wasn't close.

Disagree on this. I think I weigh shot volume a lot more heavily than you do, and Smith just shot a really low volume. In that context, Bohannon hitting 44% of his *6.7* 3pt attempts per game stands out a lot more than Smith hitting 51% of his 2.6 attempts per game -- in terms of what it says about individual shooting ability, in terms of how it impacts the game, and in terms of how readily it can be replaced by another high-level grad transfer. Further context: Smith wasn't even in the top 25 in 3 point makes per game in conference.

Smith's percentage is obviously impressive. But his shooting really wasn't impacting games to nearly the extent that other lead guards were, and it's not a stretch to think that Jones can have a similar impact.

AC1997

May 26th, 2021 at 11:58 AM ^

I think Jones/Collins with Brooks as an emergency option will be fine.  The floor is high, the ceiling is perhaps lower - but I feel pretty good heading into the season.  Last year at this time people in this space were really down on Smith and he turned out to be awesome.  

I still believe that Zeb is a PG more than anything else and will try to make his mark there somehow before he transitions to another position (or school) in the future.  

I also still remain skeptical of those Brooks on/off splits compared to what my eyes said.  For a handful of minutes here and there he'll be fine as long as he's feeding the post.  There are two reasons why I think we should be careful with those numbers - 

1. When Smith was off the court, I suspect "creation" fell more to Wagner.  There's no Wagner on this year's team.  In fact, I'm not sure who will create their own shot until the freshmen are ready.

2. Austin Davis started several games at the beginning of the year.  My gut tells me that most of those minutes aligned with Smith on the court while Brooks got his run at PG with Dickinson.  You may argue that the sample size I'm talking about is low....but we're only talking about 356 possessions for Brooks at PG.  

ak47

May 26th, 2021 at 12:33 PM ^

The problem with the Simpson wasn't a shooter and it was fine argument is he was operating with a center that could shoot threes in Teske and Wagner and also in an offense that never operated with a post up. You can survive a PG that doesn't space the floor when 99% of your offense is generated through the PG having the ball. Its really hard to effectively space the floor to allow a Dickinson/Diabate high low game to work when defenders can sag off guys. Or its harder for Dickinson to go to work on a post up when they can double without getting punished on the kick out three. PG's who can't shoot only work when the center is a threat to shoot the three and/or when the ball is essentially always in their hands to generate offense as opposed to generating offense through sets with multiple guys that can initiate. 

Also its a lot easier to shut down that sort of offense. Michigan won a lot of ugly games with Simpson as the PG because of having the #1 defense, so he will have to be an elite defensive player too.

bronxblue

May 26th, 2021 at 12:35 PM ^

I agree that Jones is unlikely to be demonstrably more impactful than Smith was last year holistically, but I do think concerns about athleticism can be a bit overrated when you consider the differences in age of players.  Like, an 18-year-old with plus athleticism might be able to beat Jones in a foot race, but Jones is 23 and the physical maturation between himself a lot of guys he's going to face might mitigate whatever athletic deficiencies may exist.  

I agree that his outside shooting is probably stuck about where it is, perhaps with a slight uptick just because he'll be getting better looks from a more diverse offense.  But that's okay - a 35% shooter as your 3rd/4th option on offense is fine.

wolverinekeith

May 26th, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

Collins seems more "shorter Darius Morris" than "bouncier Xavier Simpson" but who knows.

My fear of extended Eli PG time is that the on/off splits from last year having some John-O'Korn-vs-Purdue effect, where once it gets scouted more it won't be nearly as good.  

UP to LA

May 26th, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^

I like the Z comparison better. Loved Darius Morris, but he was never particularly explosive. Collins has a twitchiness to his game that I'm not sure we've seen at point guard. Another physical comp might be skinnier Carsen Edwards? His ability to dunk in traffic/non-breakaway situations is really uncommon in sub-6-footers.

outsidethebox

May 26th, 2021 at 1:53 PM ^

Stats are wonderful at helping tell the story of what happened. In the heavily nuanced game of basketball they offer very little with regards to the "hows and whys" of the game.

Regarding Jones, this is what I see from his film: DeVante' Jones is a very clever, gifted, and extremely high-IQ basketball player. He also has an extremely high floor because, while he is not particularly great a anything except FT shooting, he really does not have any weaknesses. 

To me, Jones' high floor has him playing as, at least, a tick up from Smith with the potential to be a star. The concerns about playing in the lower level Sun Belt are off-base...it actually works in the opposite direction. His play will benefit greatly by having better teammates-that is, in fact, how it works-especially in basketball. I will be more surprised if he does not trend more towards being a star than if he does not. My expectations are very high here.

Collins: I love his explosive athleticism. If he can add a measure of solid shooting to his ability to defy anyone staying in front of him he is going to be one hell of a dynamic talent. I think his teammates are going to really like playing with him once he gets the larger team concept figured out-and I believe he will. 

 

KTisClutch

May 26th, 2021 at 4:35 PM ^

That's definitely an outside the box take. I don't think it's right to say he has no weaknesses. Maybe not at the level he played at, but teams will find weaknesses at this level. If what you said was true about playing up a level, that doesn't really jive with the numerous cases of up transfers struggling, and that pretty much all of them drop in certain areas.

"at least a tick up from Smith" man that is bold. I have to think you must've been down on Smith relatively to get there. 

outsidethebox

May 26th, 2021 at 8:14 PM ^

Smith did very well-I simply believe Jones will be better-is certainly better athletically. PG is "my" position-he plays the game very fundamentally correct and is clearly very heady...I am an unforgiving critic in this regard-I like what I see in him. Tell me what his weaknesses are and we can discuss the depth of the issue he faces. 

True Blue Grit

May 26th, 2021 at 3:47 PM ^

I think Jones will be an upgrade from Smith, overall.  Jones is bigger and more physical, is good at stealing the ball, is an excellent finisher and free throw shooter, and comes in with a lot of experience.  It looks like he can improvise with a very good floater too.  So, when Michigan needs a creator to get a basket, Jones will be a big asset.