[Patrick Barron]

Let's Start Again: Point Guard Comment Count

Brian April 1st, 2019 at 1:37 PM

An irregular series about Michigan's 2019-20 basketball outlook.

ROSTER

Zavier Simpson (Sr.): Captain Hook pushed his ORTG up a few points while ticking upward in usage, went from 206th to 17th in assist rate. Went from 52% to 67% at the line as FT rate plummeted with hack-an-X no longer viable. Three point shooting static and extremely streaky. Defense was excellent as always.

David DeJulius (So.): high school skillset did not immediately translate, averaged about 3 MPG. Had the occasional impressive take but 5/15 from two and 1/15 from three on the year.

Eli Brooks (Jr.): promising start, horrendous middle, redemptive finish. Brooks was Michigan's only bench guard but a 94 ORTG on 13% usage in year two is a tough starting point to get to "good bench player" from.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

What's the X project this offseason?

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[Patrick Barron]

One of the joys of the recently completed season was Zavier Simpson, of all people, bringing back a 100% bonafide Kareem Abdul-Jabbar skyhook. It dropped at a ~60% clip despite steadily ramping up in degree of difficulty once opponents understood that it was a viable option. And every time it went down the announce crew reacted like they'd seen God.

Simpson spent last offseason in the gym with his dad resurrecting a classic. He also pushed his free throw shooting up to a level where it's a non-issue. He barely gets to the line; nobody's going to hack him at the end of games. As long as he maintains ~67% that project can be done.

[After THE JUMP: exploring X's final form, and his backups]

So what's next? The obvious thing is probably not happening. Simpson is not getting a jump shot between his junior and senior years of college. His existing jumper is more of a set shot.

It takes forever to get out; it's only viable when Simpson has a switch; even in those situations he hit 31%. He could boost that up to 35% or 38% and it wouldn't have much impact since the situations in which he gets the shot off are limited. Simpson's bump from 29% last year to 31% this year is negligible—literally two makes over the course of the season—and improvements next year are likely to be similarly modest.

More achievable than "have an entirely different shot" is Simpson diversifying his driving game. He goes right about 90% of the time. The hook is always a right-handed shot. This allowed teams to overplay it and ramp up the difficulty level on those until finally he could not crack the code against Texas Tech. Now that the hook is a legitimate threat opponents have to account for, unlocking the ability to go left should be significantly easier. It's a counterpunch.

If Simpson can be a legitimate two-way driver he can push his usage up another few points and maybe add back some of the efficiency from two he lost when Moe Wagner and the wide open lanes he created went to the NBA.

Other than that Simpson seems close to topped out. His defense is unlikely to get better—what would that even look like? He's already got a top 20 assist rate. The one thing that does stand out is his TO rate, which is 19. That is in part because so much of the offensive creation is on him. Senior God-slaying version of Derrick Walton had a 13 TO rate but also had an assist rate 9 points lower than Simpson.

It is extremely difficult to create as many shots as Simpson does without a correspondingly high rate of failed attempts. High major players in the A-rate ballpark this year:

  • Cassius Winston, MSU: 45 assist rate, 17 TO rate
  • Alex Robinson, TCU: 38 assist rate, 24 TO rate
  • Jaylen Hands, UCLA: 37 assist rate, 22 TO rate
  • Ethan Happ(!), UW: 36 assist rate, 17 TO rate
  • Tremont Waters, LSU: 34 assist rate, 23 TO rate
  • Justin Robinson, VT: 34 assist rate, 22 TO rate
  • Jared Harper, Auburn: 33 assist rate, 17 TO rate

It may not be possible for Simpson to reduce his TO rate more than a couple points unless someone else significantly increases their assist rate.

The most likely outcome here is that Simpson is close to the same player he was this year. As a group, juniors becoming seniors don't improve a ton. Simpson in particular has limitations that seem unlikely to change. But dude did just perform necromancy on the skyhook. If any sub-six-foot guy who can't shoot can significantly improve going into his senior season, it's him.

Can either backup emerge into a viable alternative?

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[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

It was not a pretty picture when Simpson was not on the floor.

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Without Simpson the offense devolved into a lot of terrible threes and mid-range pull-ups. This isn't all on the guys called upon to play in his stead—if Michigan had a reasonable secondary creator or some decent iso players that gap would have been smaller even if the backup PGs played at exactly the same level. It's still alarming.

David DeJulius didn't play enough to have any meaningful stats—most of his shots were late jacks after Michigan dribbled the clock out in walk-on time. Eli Brooks, the nominal backup point guard for most of the year, played about a third of Michigan's minutes. He racked up a 94 ORTG on 13% usage, shooting 46/29 with a total of four FTAs.

Brooks did have a minor renaissance to finish the year, going 7/13 on twos and 4/11 on threes in the aftermath of the Weird Guys game against MSU. This broke him out of a slump that lasted most of the Big Ten season, and only got him to ehhhhh in any case. The sophomore Beilein PG-type substance leap did not materialize for him. When Lester Quinones announced that Michigan was still recruiting him and that he'd be taking a visit, a lot of fans mentally struck through Brooks's name on the hypothetical 2019-20 roster. Even with the late push that still seems like it might happen as Brooks's shot at playing time dims with the addition of NBA-sized shooting guards like Cole Bajema and potential Mystery Recruit Who's Hopefully Franz Wagner.

Things are brighter for DeJulius because he has yet to have his shot at the sophomore leap. He certainly felt more dangerous and capable during his brief run as Simpson's backup, but this did not translate on the statsheet and eventually his playing time regressed to zero meaningful minutes. The assassin who would have single-game highlight reels with 5 off-the-dribble threes as a matter of course…

…did not materialize. DDJ was frequently hesitant and unable to get the requisite separation. His occasional moments—most prominently a tough take to the bucket against Maryland—were too occasional.

Writing off freshman Beilein guards is a fool's undertaking but it is fair to say that DDJ's struggles are concerning and that his path is murkier than it seemed when he enrolled.

Can anyone feed the post? Or can Michigan run offense based on something other than ball screens?

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[Campredon]

1-5 switching has gone from a Purdue stunt in which Isaac Haas flails helplessly against Derrick Walton to a commonplace response to ball-screen offense nationwide. It was particularly deadly against Michigan because of Simpson's inability to get good pull-up threes against it and the team's general ineptness at post entries.

The former isn't going to change. The latter… well, we'll see. Michigan has been the most post-averse team in the country since Beilein's arrival, and for a lot of reasons that approach made a ton of sense. Post-ups are generally inefficient possessions, and Michigan has almost never had the kind of center who would defy that larger trend. They may or may not have that guy in Jon Teske, but it seems imperative that Michigan get more comfortable dumping it down low even if that results in some goofy, inefficient possessions.

Michigan started down this path late in the year with a series of tosses over the top that were erratic at best. An offseason in which combatting switches has to be the top priority will hopefully refine the rough outline of a plan Michigan implemented in a panic late this year.

The other route Michigan might take would be to go the Purdue route and run a lot more offense for their shooters based on a variety of off-ball screens. There were hints of this late in the year, as well, with Poole coming off curl screens at the top of the key. Either way Michigan must have more ways to score than ball screens and iso.

OUTLOOK

Worst case scenario is that Michigan gets the same level of performance as this year, which is a second-team all-conference player with no viable backup. Not too bad except the rare occasions when Simpson eats autobench.

The best case scenario is that Simpson's able to add some more sexy garbage and cuts down on turnovers somewhat and gets to a 115 ORTG or so. It's already remarkable that he's at 108 on 19% usage. Our additional best-case scenario involves a DDJ emergence into a bench microwave who plays 15 MPG.

As per usual something in the middle is the most likely outcome, with Simpson increasing his usage a little and either maintaining or adding to his efficiency by being that little bit sharper on passes and more careful with the ball. He'll probably add a hook counter that allows him to score a bit more and be a little more efficient from two. His outside shoot will probably be exactly what it's been.

Meanwhile the bet here is that DDJ looks like a different player next year after his year of hazing is complete, and is the main backup at both the 1 and 2 because he adds a shooting dimension that others don't.

Comments

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^

DDJ barely played this year so I don't put any stock in this year's stats or performance.  When/if he plays meaningful minutes and especially starter minutes, he will be fantastic - maybe Derrick Walton with a better outside shot.  I would hope that he steps into the backup spot instead of Brooks.  Brooks can give some decent minutes and energy off the bench but he doesn't seem to have DDJ's upside.

As for Simpson, hopefully Beilein helps him add to his offensive game (driving from the left, further improvement from the outside).  He seems to be extremely competitive and a hard worker.  If it can be done, he will do it.   Ideally, we don't need him to be great offensively but capable in different facets, enough to pose more of a threat from anywhere and open up looks for others like Poole, Iggy, etc.

As for the following year, Zeb looks like the real deal, another elite PG with an all-around game.  The future looks bright!

ijohnb

April 1st, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^

Yeah, it kind of baffles me when people say DeJulius "struggled."  He did not play.  He did not play enough to struggle.  He looked good when he did play.  He drew a charge on Winston (which if you haven't noticed is kind of impossible), played strong minutes against Nebraska, strong minutes against Maryland, got an and-one in the State game(against Winston) and then.... stopped playing, completely, right when it looked like his trajectory was trending up sharply.

 

 

umchicago

April 1st, 2019 at 3:32 PM ^

agree.  there is a reason he wasn't playing over brooks, even when brooks' game was cratering mid way thru the season.  DDJ played 96 min on the year; albeit most in garbage time.  that is 3 full game equivalents.  he scored 14 pts, had 12 reb, 5 assists and 5 TOs.  shot 20% from the field; 7% (1-15) from 3 and 17% (1-6) from the line.

in those 3 game equivalents we saw one good charge and one good drive to the hoop.  sorry, but that just is not good, any way you slice it.  you can see that the game is in there.  hopefully, he has a great offseason and it translates onto the court next year.

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 5:28 PM ^

Good point but low volume garbage time stats are totally meaningless.  He’s a far better shooter than those numbers suggest. I don’t have his overall high school numbers but in one game he was 9-11 on threes and 15-16 on free throws. He can shoot very very well and should do so given meaningful minutes.  I don’t think he played much because he had 2 much more experienced guards in front of him.  I wouldn’t doubt his ability or potential quite yet.  I was indulging in hyperbole with the Walton comparison but yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he reached that level. I don’t see that for Brooks.

93Grad

April 4th, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^

Getting good shots off in high school is very different than the big ten.  Look at Brooks who you correctly point out seems limited offensively, but he was a big time scorer in high school.  

DDJ barely played on a team that was desperate for minutes from a guard who could score.  That is concerning.  

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 5:28 PM ^

Good point but low volume garbage time stats are totally meaningless.  He’s a far better shooter than those numbers suggest. I don’t have his overall high school numbers but in one game he was 9-11 on threes and 15-16 on free throws. He can shoot very very well and should do so given meaningful minutes.  I don’t think he played much because he had 2 much more experienced guards in front of him.  I wouldn’t doubt his ability or potential quite yet.  I was indulging in hyperbole with the Walton comparison but yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he reached that level. I don’t see that for Brooks.

ak47

April 1st, 2019 at 3:35 PM ^

College basketball is a young mans game. Most elite 19 and 20 years olds are going to be in the NBA. The number of truly impact guards that can't play or get themselves on the court as freshman is pretty small, especially when looking at our situation when every opportunity was available. Shooting is generally a translatable skill and guys don't generally see massive efficiency jumps, good shooters are good shooters, guys who can beat someone off the dribble can do it as freshmen. Freshmen will make more mistakes, turn the ball over more, take more bad shots, etc. but the signs are usually still there. Jordan Poole was an erratic ball player on a team with more guard depth that got more run last year than DDJ. Expecting a massive jump is more hopeful than based on any evidence.

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^

I disagree that every opportunity was available. He’s sitting behind two much more experienced PG’s, including an elite PG who took them to the NC game last year.  As for the comparisons to Poole, Poole is a SG with natural NBA talent. I don’t think that can be said of any of our recent PG’s except for POY Trey Burke. And Poole was probably our best shooter last year - he wasn’t sitting behind anybody with similar talent at had position (I know Duncan made it to the NBA but does not have JP’s natural ability).

DDJ doesn’t need a “massive jump.” He probably just needs more experience and opportunity.

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^

I disagree that every opportunity was available. He’s sitting behind two much more experienced PG’s, including an elite PG who took them to the NC game last year.  As for the comparisons to Poole, Poole is a SG with natural NBA talent.  And Poole was probably our best shooter last year - he wasn’t sitting behind anybody with similar talent at his position (I know Duncan made it to the NBA but does not have JP’s natural ability).

DDJ doesn’t need a “massive jump.” He probably just needs more experience and opportunity.

ItOffishul

April 1st, 2019 at 8:30 PM ^

I disagree, I think the recent past has shown that teams like Michigan, Villanova, even going back to Bo Ryan Wisconsin can becoming elite as their young players develop and mature. 

Even last night MSU took out a young Duke team. College basketball is not a young  man's game. Even the NBA is going to swing back to a more mature man's game with more defense and strategy in the coming years IMO. 

Brianj25

April 4th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^

Not so. Out of the 129 players across the country this year that had a PORPAGATU! at or above 4.0, only seven were freshmen -- 108 were in their third, fourth, or fifth year of college. 

Older players and teams are dominating the game. Guys like Zion Williamson and RJ Barrett are incredibly rare. Cassius Winston is tied with Zion Williamson as the number one player in the game - would anybody on the planet have guessed he'd even be in the Top-50 at any point in time during his first two seasons? 

Give the guy some time. Beilein finds gems and develops them into outstanding CBB players. DDJ's performance so far only tells us one thing - that he wasn't ready to contribute this year. He was a highly sought after recruit and I trust Beilein to get develop him.

egrfree2rhyme

April 1st, 2019 at 4:17 PM ^

I mean... he was reputed to be a great shooter and in his high school film it looked that way, and then he went 1-15 on the year.  That is struggling.  Sure it's a tiny sample size, and by no means am I saying that we should panic.  But every point successful Michigan point guard of the Beilein era (Morris, Burke, Spike, Walton, Simpson) had a significantly more productive freshman year than DDJ did.  And he shot <7% from 3 when that is supposed to be the strongest part of his game.  So to say that he struggled is fair, IMO.

Even Simpson - who "can't shoot" - shot 26% from 3 his freshman year and played 9 minutes a game in relief of Walton.  And that wasn't good enough to prevent Beilein from going out and taking a grad transfer PG.  

TrueBlue2003

April 1st, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^

He did not play strong minutes against Maryland.  He went in and Maryland went on a big run, partially because he got lost a couple times on defense (which was a fairly recurring theme for him).

Then Eli Brooks finally hit a three at MSU, got some of his confidence back and was again a solid backup the rest of the way.

DeJulius was playing out of desperation during Brooks extended slump moreso than trending up sharply.

I have high hopes for him.  Michigan's bar for freshmen is much higher than it's ever been because 1) they're a deeper program in reload mode. It's been at least, what, five years since freshmen have been thrust into minutes out of pure necessity (the last time was the 14-15 season in which the MAAR/Dawkins/Doyle class had to replace a bunch of early departures)? and 2) they play elite defense now so anyone not at an elite level who knows where to be is going to be a significant downgrade over a more experienced guy that knows the defense (previously, no one really knew where to be so it was generally all the same on that end of the court).  Freshmen pretty much need to come in elite on offense (like Iggy did) to get significant time.

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^

Haha, yeah, I'm not afraid of hyperbole.  Derrick Walton is a tough act to follow.  I suspect he may not be his equal getting to the rim but may be the better outside shooter.  And like Walton, Simpson, Burke, etc, he seems tough and confident with a lot of dog in him.  

Detroit Dan

April 2nd, 2019 at 12:43 AM ^

Garbage time should be easier than prime time, no?  In garbage time you're also playing against the other team's subs,  most likely.  And there's not a lot of pressure.  Michigan probably did worse in "garbage time" than any other highly ranked team this year.  Not a good sign.

jmblue

April 2nd, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^

Garbage time is weird.  You sit on the bench for about two hours of real time (broken up by halftime) and then come in cold for a handful of possessions at the end.  A lot of guys look out of sync during that time.  I don't think it's a useful measure one way or the other.

That said, calling a guy with one career made three-pointer a better shooter than Walton (a career 40% guy) sounds like a reach at the present time.

TrueBlue2003

April 1st, 2019 at 4:45 PM ^

The fact that he didn't play does mean something here though.  It's not like he was kept on the bench by some world beater.  He was behind a badly slumping Eli Brooks.  That he couldn't seize and hold the backup job says something about something.

I do think he's going to be just fine and still has a chance to be a stud, but agree with Brian that the baseline expectation is ratcheted down a notch or two.  The ceiling remains high but the odds he hits it are probably lower than we thought coming in.

MichGoBlue858

April 1st, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^

This will hopefully be a dumb take a year from now, but it’s slightly concerning that neither DeJulius nor John’s did anything meaningful this year. We expected Castleton and Nunez to be projects but I thought we would get more out of the other two this year.  

DeepBlueC

April 1st, 2019 at 2:35 PM ^

Um...yeah, he kinda does. Unless you’re arguing that the coaches could “decide” not to play him even if he were the best guard on the team.

But the point was that most people expected DeJulius to be good enough to earn more playing time than he did. That doesn’t mean he’s a bust, just a minor disappointment in his first year. Same for Johns. So chill.

ijohnb

April 1st, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^

Yes - I think the coaches could "decide" not to play him even if he were the best guard on the team.  Perhaps Beilein was coaching him for next year. 

Whatever the case, I think it is kind of ridiculous to have a front page piece on the blog documenting his "struggles."  We do not have enough data to conclude any such thing.

ijohnb

April 1st, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

In that case, why did DeJulius not redshirt?

Look, I will stop here.  I know that people are not taking my point well.  Just one last word.

Beilein's roster management has never been infallible.  We have had positional log jams, unfortunate transfers, graduate transfers that made little sense.  David DeJulius looks like a good player to me, and I question why the hell he did not play more.  Particularly when you see similarly regarded freshman playing all of the over the country and that it was like pulling teeth for us to even get a realistic shot up for long stretches sometimes. 

I will officially drop it.  I just did not see a struggling freshman.  I saw a player who could have helped this team measurable had he been given the chance.

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 7:26 PM ^

I am one who agrees with you.  Those who are down on him based on very limited stats at Michigan and limited playing time are jumping the gun.  Even with his limited playing time, he seems to have a lot more upside than Brooks.  He probably should have had more playing time or should have been redshirted.  Given the chance, I think he will do well.  

Ham

April 1st, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

No coach is not going to play his best guard on the team. C'mon. Are you really suggesting that DDJ was playing lights out in practices, yet Beilein decided, despite a thin bench, to keep what could be a major contributor out of games so that he can save him for next year?

ijohnb

April 1st, 2019 at 3:14 PM ^

I don't know what I think.  I think DeJulius was obviously a talented freshman who had some ups and downs but had a lot to offer.

I think coaches can have blind spots.

Beilein has blindspots.  Auto-bench is a blindspot.  I believe that Brooks over DeJulius may have been an unfortunate blindspot.

TrueBlue2003

April 1st, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^

"I think it is kind of ridiculous to have a front page piece on the blog documenting his 'struggles.'  We do not have enough data to conclude any such thing."

He struggled and failed to beat out Eli Brooks for the backup PG spot.  He struggled to make shots in the time he was given.  Those are facts.

We can correctly conclude that he struggled more than expected this year, AND acknowledge that the sample was tiny and does not at all mean that he's not going to be a stellar player. 

You make it sound like there is a conclusion being made about his future here.  That is not the case. No one is writing him off, man.

 

DeepBlueC

April 1st, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^

Um...no...again. To speculate that Beilein didn’t play him because he didn’t like his haircut would be irresponsible. But despite what you may have heard, players do “earn” playing time by doing well in practice, and then in real games. 

Ham

April 1st, 2019 at 2:55 PM ^

So it's irresponsible to speculate that DDJ wasn't doing enough in practice to play more minutes, but it's not to speculate that he was balling out in practice and there was another reason Beilein decided not to play him? It's not like there were so many options off the bench that Beilein could be choosy on who he played.

When he did play, he shot 6/30 from the field and 1/15 from 3 (0/12 after the Villanova game). He was 1/6 from the free-throw line. He had 5 assists and 5 TOs. That doesn't mean he can't become a very good player next year and beyond, but let's not pretend his freshman year went any differently than it did.

remdog

April 1st, 2019 at 7:34 PM ^

Those  extremely limited stats are meaningless and not reflective of his offensive ability.  In one game in high school, he was 9-11 from three and 15-16 from the free throw line.  Not only can he shoot, he can shoot very well.   Maybe he was good in practice but Brooks did well too and was the preferred option due to experience.   It's just silly to be down on him based on his limited play in his first year.   It may mean something or absolutely nothing going forward.  

Bambi

April 1st, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^

DeJulius: barely played, had some nice moments when he did, is a freshman PG in Beilein's system. The only thing you could possibly say is concerning is 1/15 from 3, but small sample size and most of those being garbage time jacks mean it probably doesn't matter.

Johns: was forced to play the 5 when he's a 4. That's hard to do in general, even harder for a true freshman who's both mentally and physically out matched there. He had moments like the Indiana game where he got extended playing time, made mistakes but also showed he could be a functional player as a freshman.

Beilein wants a thin bench to begin with. Him/Yaklich are also very freshman averse at times, they'd rather go with the guy who will make fewer mistakes which limits freshman playing time. There are valid reasons for both guys struggles and reasons to think both will improve next year. I'm not concerned unless both are Brooks level guys next year.

cletus318

April 1st, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

Johns looked similarly as lost at the 5 as Livers did in limited attempts last year. It's a transition to being asked to do things you haven't been called to really do in your basketball career on the fly. Livers looked far more comfortable in that role this year, as one would expect with an extra year of growth. Luckily for Johns, he shouldn't have to play much 5 moving forward and can concentrate on his natural position.

In any case, people need to understand that Johns, DDJ, and Castleton were generally what you expect freshmen to be, especially the ones who aren't uber-recruits in the Zion realm. Iggy (who was also the highest rated recruit) is the actual outlier, and even that comes with caveats, such as already being 20 years old.