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Hoops Mailbag: Total Basketball Supremacy, WBB's Next Step, Point Guards Under Howard Comment Count

Ace April 9th, 2021 at 3:31 PM

I'm off for the next week to recharge, so I figured before I go a combined MBB/WBB mailbag was in order, starting with a MBB/WBB combo question.

The Ultimate Basketball School?

Unless Kim Mulkey's behavior catches up to her on the recruiting trail, which hasn't happened despite her history of poorly worded (at best) statements and fraught relationship with some former players, it's hard to say any program is better positioned than Baylor. The men's team just won a national championship after making it at least as far as the Sweet Sixteen five times since 2010. The women's team has made 12 straight Sweet Sixteens and captured national titles in 2005, 2012, and 2019.

After relying almost entirely on the transfer portal to assemble this year's champs, Scott Drew recruited at a top-ten level for the 2021 class headlined by five-star wing Kendall Brown and already has a top-50 commit for 2022. It's hard to imagine that slows down now that he has a ring to show off.

UConn, meanwhile, is poised for continued dominance on the women's side. They have the best player in the country, Paige Bueckers, heading into her sophomore season, and she'll be joined by another #1 overall recruit in DC PG Azzi Fudd along with (depending on where you look) either two or three more 2021 five-star signees. Of any individual program mentioned in this section, UConn WBB has the best chance of winning a national championship in the next three years—it'd be somewhere between a surprise and a shock if they didn't get at least one.

On the men's side, though, the Huskies have the weakest program in this section. Since their unexpected national title as a seven-seed in 2014, they've made two tourneys (as a 7- and 9-seed) and haven't made it out of the opening weekend. Dan Hurley's recruiting has picked up steam but his classes are topping out with fringe top-50 prospects instead of five-stars. The last 247 composite five-star to sign with UConn was Jalen Adams in 2015 and he didn't live up to the billing, going undrafted and ending up in the G-League.

Michigan should slot in between those two schools in terms of combined success. Here's my stab at ranking these programs by most likely to win at least one national championship in the next ten years:

1. UConn WBB
2. Baylor WBB
(gap)
3. Michigan MBB
4. Baylor MBB
(gap)
5. Michigan WBB
6. UConn MBB

[Hit THE JUMP for how the WBB team can move up those rankings, a look at their recruiting, how fast PGs can pick up Juwan Howard's system, and more.]

Breaking Through

My knowledge of the women's game and how programs develop is still coming along. That caveat out of the way, I agree with Dan's assessment. On the top-flight WBB teams, seemingly every perimeter player to hit the floor was either an athletic distributor and/or finisher, a sharpshooter, a defensive terror, or some combination of those.

Too often this season, Michigan's offense came down to desperately needing Leigha Brown and Naz Hillmon to carry the team, and that load proved too much to bear during Big Ten play for the Wolverines to contend. When Hailey Brown was on her game, the frontcourt could play with anyone. It's hard to win while relying so heavily on interior play without the overwhelming size and talent of Baylor, though, and watching electric lead guard Aari McDonald come within a shot of lifting Arizona to a surprise title helped display what Michigan doesn't have yet. (Not that many teams have an Aari McDonald but you get the point.)

Which brings us to the next question...

First of all, Hillmon is coming back; the WNBA requires players to turn 22 during their draft year to be eligible. Should that be lowered? Probably. Does it benefit Michigan this year? Definitely.

Meanwhile, Kim Barnes Arico is taking recruiting to the next level, and possibly to the one needed for a national breakthrough. Beyond the handful of no-doubt All-Americans, who tend to land at UConn and the like, recruiting projections for WBB aren't highly reliable—there are only a handful of people putting in the work to scout players around the country. Michigan is reliably getting the next tier of players; all three of their 2021 signees were nominated for, but didn't ultimately make, the McDonald's All-American Game.

It's more of a crapshoot, of course, but there's plenty of Final Four-capable talent in that area. The aforementioned Aari McDonald was the #55 recruit in the 2016 class; the only former McDonald's AA on this year's Arizona squad was sophomore forward Cate Reese.

Here's how M's 2021 commits stack up across five different scouting services:

  ESPN PrepGirls ProspectsNation ASGR Blue Star
Ari Wiggins 4*, #28 G, #68 Ovr #6 PG, #25 Ovr 4.5*, #7 PG, #26 Ovr #8 PG, #35 Ovr PG, #37 Ovr
Laila Phelia 4*, #11 G, #28 Ovr #11 SG, #33 Ovr 4*, #18 G, #57 Ovr #17 SG, #54 Ovr G, #26 Ovr
Taylor Gibson       PF, #105 Ovr C, #100 Ovr

It's a close debate whether Indiana point guard Ari Wiggins or Ohio shooting guard Laila Phelia is the best player in the class. If you're looking for an electric lead guard in the McDonald mold, though, it's Wiggins, whose scouting reports sound great even when coming from relative skeptic ESPN:

Boo Williams Invitational-April 2019: Athletic combo-guard explodes off the dribble, brings attack mode in transition game; handles in transition, changes pace; rises on jumper in mid-range game, emerging deep threat arsenal. (Olson)

Nike Nationals-July 2018: Athletic guard attacks in transition game, explodes to the rim and finishes plays in uptempo; college-ready frame with mid-range game creativity, emerging 3-point game consistency. (Olson)

KBA envisions Wiggins as a very, very fun player:

"Ari is a lefty point guard who is probably one of the fastest kids in the country," Barnes Arico said. "She comes from a super-athletic family. She can just impact the game in so many different ways, both offensively and defensively. She and I have talked about how disruptive she can be on the defensive end. She can pick up the other team's point guard 94 feet, can get tips and deflections, and can get steals in the backcourt. Her speed is incredible, allowing her to get the ball up the court in record-breaking time. She has a sweet lefty pull-up, with the ability to also knock down the three. She is so dynamic and will have a major impact for us. It will be beneficial for us to add another point guard to our team who has a different style of play."

Not that Phelia's evals sound bad, uh, at all:

Classic-in-the-Country Challenge-January 2020: Athletic guard manufactures shots, knocks down jumpers at the arc; executes in half-court game, creates into the defense, rises over defenders and delivers in mid-range game; competes on both ends of the floor; among the elite guards in the class of 2021. (Olson)

Ohio Midwest Showdown-May 2019: Athletic guard brings consistent offensive production to the back court; a shot maker with range to the 3-point line and beyond; uptempo contributor, attacks in transition, delivers results; a scoring guard with size on the perimeter. (Olson)

An athletic point guard and a defense-stretching shooting guard are just what this team needs, while Taylor Gibson is billed as a skilled 6'2 big with high-level rebounding ability. Michigan's class ended up ranked 18th on ESPN, 19th on the All Star Girls Report, and 15th on ProspectsNation. The 2020 class didn't make a major impact in the pandemic-marred season but there's plenty of talent in that group of four players who all earned four-star status from at least one outlet.

The 2022 class already has a couple verbal commits from Indiana four-stars Kate Clarke and Alyssa Crockett, who are 6'1 and 6'3, respectively, while both being listed at small forward by Prep Girls Hoops. While Michigan is still behind UConn, South Carolina, Stanford, and some other powers in talent accumulation, they're in that next tier—along with Arizona, incidentally—and that tier is catching up to the elite programs. That includes Maryland, which arguably hasn't recruited as well as Michigan over the last couple classes.

It's going to be very difficult for anyone to take down UConn next year. They're absurdly loaded. With Hillmon and Leigha Brown returning and the talent level around them going up a notch, though, it's not unreasonable to hope Michigan can make a second straight (and second ever) run to the Sweet Sixteen, and they have the capability of advancing further if the right things break their way—including, one would hope, a less absence-fraught regular season that'd give the team an easier postseason path than this year.

Does The Beilein Point Guard Rule Still Apply?


[Campredon]

Hey!

Under Beilein you all would talk a lot about how freshman point guards were not going to be great, but then there would be a sophomore bump. Is that still the case under Juwan’s offensive system? Or is there something different that should make us more confident in a freshman like Collins?

Thanks!
Peter

There's no question Juwan Howard's system is easier to grasp for a first-year lead guard. John Beilein's system was an intricate 30-second read-and-react experience that had to be simplified for even exceptional freshman point guards. Howard's offense contains a wider variety of plays, to be sure, but it's more quick-hitting and appears to require fewer on-the-fly reads. Howard is also less reliant on the point guard; he's happy working through the post instead of leaning so hard on the pick-and-roll.

Instead, there's a different impediment to freshman guards being ready for a big role: defense. Simply put, Howard has a higher standard for acceptable defense than Beilein, and his teams are more reliant on being very stingy on that end. There's more wiggle room with guards than big men on defense because they receive more help, so I'm more inclined to think a young guard can step into a starting role, but it's still far from a guarantee for anyone who's not a truly elite prospect.

Bucket Guy?

Assuming Eli and Chaundee come back and no grad transfers come in, who does the team go to when then need a bucket late (i.e., who is next year’s Juzang)?

The Chaundee Brown assumption evidently isn't so safe—TMI's Josh Henschke reports he's currently expecting Brown will go pro instead of use his extra year of eligibility. That said, my answer would be the same regardless: Hunter Dickinson is option one, and if teams give him extra attention to take that away, find a way to free up Caleb Houstan on the perimeter.

Comments

njvictor

April 9th, 2021 at 3:43 PM ^

In regards to that last question, if Brown doesn't come back, then I think we'll definitely see some Bufkin minutes who can give some of that shot creation

blueboy

April 9th, 2021 at 4:00 PM ^

If I’m Howard, I’m hitting the portal hard for another perimeter shot creator, whether Brooks and Brown come back or not. Relying on the low post as the main source of offense doesn’t work in late-clock situations.

Not concerned with recruiting over our guys, if Zeb/Bufkin/Collins are good enough they’ll force the issue and find their way onto the floor. I want to be prepared in case they aren’t good enough right away.

 

RagingWoodson

April 9th, 2021 at 4:14 PM ^

I agree. Michigan's streaky perimeter shooting really bit them against UCLA. Brooks and Brown towards the end seemed to be the only efficient 3 point threats towards the end of the year. Wagner seemed to regress on that end, and Livers timely (efficient) shooting beyond the arc was also sorely missed. I don't know much about the incoming class other than they're supposedly very good. I would also hope to see someone who can get their own shot late in the clock or at end of game situations as that also seemed to be lacking. Smith and Wagner both had chances in games and couldn't seem to finish unfortunately. Did I hear we are in play for Jacob Young?

 

AC1997

April 9th, 2021 at 5:04 PM ^

I realize that Adam Miller is still a young and talented player who was ranked around the same place as Collins/Bufkin will be next year.  But when did he ever create his own shot this year??  I think one of the reasons he (and his mom) is transferring is because he wants to be an alpha.  I am not sure I see it more than you would expect to see it with our freshman.

 

On the topic in general I think we're correct to worry about play-making, even if Howard's offense doesn't exactly require it.  We lose our only two playmakers in Smith & Wagner and neither Brooks or Brown will fill that void.  I know Brian's on/off stats said our offense was better with Brooks at PG....but I think that might be because Wagner took over the lead playmaking role in those situations.  

 

However, I do think you brought in all of these elite recruits for a reason and that Collins and Bufkin (and maybe Barnes) are going to be ready to play and take usage.  I think Eli stabilizes the backcourt so I might run with him and the freshmen.  I'm not sure I see an obvious playmaker in the portal anymore. 

AC1997

April 9th, 2021 at 5:04 PM ^

I realize that Adam Miller is still a young and talented player who was ranked around the same place as Collins/Bufkin will be next year.  But when did he ever create his own shot this year??  I think one of the reasons he (and his mom) is transferring is because he wants to be an alpha.  I am not sure I see it more than you would expect to see it with our freshman.

 

On the topic in general I think we're correct to worry about play-making, even if Howard's offense doesn't exactly require it.  We lose our only two playmakers in Smith & Wagner and neither Brooks or Brown will fill that void.  I know Brian's on/off stats said our offense was better with Brooks at PG....but I think that might be because Wagner took over the lead playmaking role in those situations.  

 

However, I do think you brought in all of these elite recruits for a reason and that Collins and Bufkin (and maybe Barnes) are going to be ready to play and take usage.  I think Eli stabilizes the backcourt so I might run with him and the freshmen.  I'm not sure I see an obvious playmaker in the portal anymore. 

BlueinKyiv

April 10th, 2021 at 6:38 PM ^

How about Matt Bradley the 6 foot 4 inch Cal guard that just entered the portal....he played on the worst team in the Pac12 and had to take a lot of tough shots (step backs and catch and shoots) but still ended up over 36% on threes after shooting above 40% over two seasons. Could use a guy that scored 18 a game against the league with the best NCAA finishes this year.

ak47

April 9th, 2021 at 4:16 PM ^

For the last question, your center can't be your go to option to need a bucket. They are too dependent on other to get the offense. If you can't get a clean entry pass, if they can double, etc. means you can't go to a big man when you are down 1 with 7 seconds on the clock. A basketball team led by an elite guard has a higher ceiling led by one with a center.

Also to the first question you are leaving out a lot of other schools that will be good in both sports. For one you have Arizona and their mens team is historically pretty good (though obviously a little up in the air with needing a new coach), louisville is also much further along in womens bb and in a good sport in mens. There is also other teams like Duke and UNC that are historically stronger on both the mens and womens side, etc. I think people just getting into womens bb think the womens team is a little higher in the pecking order than it actually is.

MarcusBrooks

April 9th, 2021 at 4:45 PM ^

sorry for my ignorance but WHY is Uconn's women's team so strong? 

what is the draw? 

asking seriously since I rarely follow the women's game (only check M scores) 

Michigan Arrogance

April 9th, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^

The are THE women's program. Winning begets elite players begets winning.

At one point a few years ago they won like 110 games in a row across 3-4 seasons.

This years team was a top 5 team. 2 losses, to top 20 Ark and Arizon in the tourney. 

Doesn't sound *too* impressive untill you look at their roster: 7 FR, 2 So, 2 JR, 1 RS JR. One of the FR was Beukers who was the consensus player of the year who went 20/5/5 on 52/46/87 shooting.

I don't see them losing a single game until she graduates, in 3 years

ca_prophet

April 10th, 2021 at 5:04 AM ^

It's really all about the winning.  Gene Auriemma has established that he can recruit elite talent, develop that talent into WNBA-ready players which wins a lot of college games, and those players go on to do extremely well.  Future elite talent sees that, hears about how his former players talk about him, and can read about how well they're doing.  It's a virtuous cycle, which will go on until it breaks down (recruiting drops off, elite talent stops getting better, no more former players doing well in the league and speaking well of the coach).

And even now, with one of the best players they've ever had, they're not at their peak.  Remember that 110-game win streak?  They're flush with youth because instead of reliably getting the best players at each position each year and fielding an elite team of seniors each year, they missed out on a few people over the last few classes and then graduated a senior-full team.

While that youth is a sign of good things to come, it's also a sign of hiccups in their past and the gradual equalization of women's hoops recruiting - hopefully like ours.

 

Indonacious

April 9th, 2021 at 8:34 PM ^

Bufkin may be the least hyped McDonalds all American I have ever seen by a fan base. Jesus people. Between him, Collins and Zeb, one will be a over average big ten player. Relax. 

abertain

April 9th, 2021 at 9:30 PM ^

Michigan is clearly a better team if they had Brown come back. However, I think they can get more shot creation on the floor without him. You don't need to hit on every recruit. You just need one of Collins, Barnes, Bufkin to hit in year one. 

You already have a great 5, who I think will develop some counters in the off season and a solid 4. I think the team will lose some games because they won't have a lot of experience, but it's not the worst thing in the world to give the younger guys a shot. That Baylor team reminded me a bit of Villanova from a couple of years back where you just have guys who can get shots. I'd love to see a guy like that develop for Michigan.. 

mtlcarcajou

April 9th, 2021 at 10:14 PM ^

I've been hoping all year that either Wiggins or Phelia can take the lead at point and push Dilk to more of a shooting guard next season, where her slow pace and average handle / good shooting form and very good size might be more beneficial to stretching the D, opening things inside even more for Naz. Plus, it'd give a PG, her and L Brown as potential ballhandlers on the floor.

The final 4 teams all did that (SC to a lesser degree, until they finally let Henderson shoot). M did that in the tourney when L Brown brought it up, and we saw how effective that can be. 

wolfman81

April 10th, 2021 at 1:04 AM ^

Assuming Eli and Chaundee come back and no grad transfers come in, who does the team go to when then need a bucket late (i.e., who is next year’s LIVERS)?

Fixed it for you.

OkemosBlue

April 11th, 2021 at 1:48 PM ^

There is no secret about building an elite woman's basketball program.  It's the same as men before the draft-age was lowered to 19.  As far as last year, Michigan's problems revolved around the guards.  Before the tournament, they depended far too much on getting the ball inside in unimaginative ways or letting Brown create.  There was little ball movement, less scoring, and poor shooting as a rule.  In the tournament, there was good ball movement, more scoring, but still little three-point shooting from guards given how open they usually were.  On the plus side, almost all the guards play great one-on-one defense.  Improving next year depends on improved guard play and more generally, good ball movement, ball handling, and more consistent three-point shooting.