Fee Fi Foe Film: Michigan State Offense 2020 Comment Count

Seth October 29th, 2020 at 2:36 PM

Resources: My charting, MSU game notes, MSU roster, CFBstats, Last year

Offensive coordinator Jay Johnson has his work cut out for him, because the MSU offense I watched against Rutgers was atrocious. Linemen stopped blocking in the middle of plays. Receivers and tight ends waved at linebackers as they went by. Running backs and guards had no idea how to run the plays they're running. The center...yeesh.

This team is going through a coaching transition, is breaking in a new starter at every skill position where experience matters, lost at least two weeks of summer workouts to a COVID breakout, and wasn't very good to begin with. Also Rutgers has some disruptive DTs, at least one of whom you're familiar with. Even so I don't think even we were expecting them to be this bad. Rutgers is, and was still very Rutgers.

The film: There's only one game but fortunately it's against first place-Rutgers, who's currently tied with Michigan, Ohio State, and Indiana at the top of the Big Ten East.

Personnel: My diagram:

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A few diagram updates for this year:

  • Solid colors are now any player who has this role locked down, IE white is a sign of some depth chart fluidity. A spot where there's an injury will be a white circle unless we think the injured has been Wally Pipped. Sometimes if there's a solid rotation we'll list a "starter" on the bench (like Brandon Watson 2018 or Mo Hurst 2016).
  • Bold names are now for anyone I consider a "veteran" and not solely a starting designation. For example WR Jaylen Reed sat out last year as a transfer from WMU, but he started a full year and returned kicks in Kalamazoo before it.

[After THE JUMP: the players, the analysis, the tape, the good, and the so so so bad.]

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There are two types of players Dantonio left for his predecessor on offense: barely ranked new skill position starters, and bad returning starters on the offensive line. After their star-studded 2016 class fell apart, Dantonio's staff made a concerted effort to not recruit players that other schools desired. Everybody has chip, but the only blue one, OL Devontae Dobbs, was among those not dressed, along with longtime starting OT turnstile Luke Campbell and bench G Mustapha Khaleefah who was getting some spring buzz.

That's no different than last year, so everybody who's starting has already done plenty of it. Still filling in for the promise of a Dobbs one day is LT #75 AJ Arcuri (+1/-3 –2 pass pro in this game), who never quite hit 300—when you're 300 on the roster you're never 300—and gets pushed around by guys in the 240s. The LG filler is currently #59 Blake Bueter (+1/-10, –1 pass pro) whose 247 composite ranking was "I didn't know they go that high."

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Recruiting rankings don't mean everything but "2-star in a world that doesn't give out 2-stars" is a fair description of the finished product. They rotate Bueter with #67 JD Duplain (+4.5/-2) but when Duplain's in they either run or get the ball in the air in under 1.5 seconds, which is about how long it took various Rutgers defenders to put Duplain in Lombardi's lap. RG #56 Matt Carrick (+4.5/-9.5, –3.5 pass pro) and RT #75 Kevin Jarvis (+4/-5.5, 9.5 pass pro) were the guys they tried to run behind most. As the scores suggest, Carrick's pass protection is so bad they sometimes just have him chip; Jarvis is so stiff and slow it often looks like he's not even trying. C #64 Matt Allen (+4/-14, –4 pass pro) probably isn't trying to get his coaches fired, but if he was there wouldn't be much different about his game. His few positives could also have been interpreted as failed attempts to draw a holding flag.

Here we must pause and remember MSU offensive lines of FFFFs past. This is last year's:

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And 2018:

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And 2017:

And the year they went 3-9 (and Notre Dame was 4-8):

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Surprisingly, C #59 Nick Samac, the true freshman who passed Allen last year, only played on special teams last week, one of many questionable coaching decisions.

Speaking of coaching, the MSU RBs are evidence against the theory that running backs don't require it. There were zero opportunities in this game for last year's star/now apparent third-teamer RB #24 Elijah Collins (+1/-1, –2). "Poor Damn" Collins had 4.45 YPC and 222 carries behind this line in 2019. The next back, Anthony Williams had 38 carries at 3.11; he entered the portal, returned, and didn't see the field last weekend. RB2 #11 Connor Heyward was also in the transfer portal a year ago, and had but 24 carries for 3.29 YPC. so you'd think PDC would be the guy. He finished this game with just 9 carries for 3 yards—0.33 YPC—compared to 2.57 for Heyward and 3.07 for speedy freshman #22 Jordan Simmons (+1/-6, –2 pass pro). Simmons did manage to scoot past one tackler; he also kept trying to run outside kickout blocks, fumbled, and made sense only in the context of a gameplan that wanted to get the hell away from their (sabotaged?) interior blocking as fast as possible. Another possible explanation: PDC had a few adventures in pass protection. If he too is eyeing the portal I'd understand.

Outside, I love the transfer from WMU, WR #5 Jaylen Reed, but not the others. WR #17 Tre Mosley had one great great catch in coverage before going out with a leg injury; he's questionable this week. If he can't go his side becomes true freshman WR #7 Ricky White, who's the Makari Paige of this offense, IE he shouldn't be out there yet. Last is WR #8 Jalen Nailor, who slipped one Rutgers safety for a touchdown, and might have caused two picks by running the wrong option on his option routes. They're all about Ronnie Bell-sized and take turns in the slot.

Top-250 (literally: #250) TE #88 Trenton Gillison got the start and was a mostly unused blocker. The majority of snaps went to TE #89 Matt Dotson (+2/-4, –1 pass pro), a jumbo receiver they mostly flex out and use for screens and pick routes, but who's shown some hoover hands. They like to pair Dotson with Reed, then probe the outer rim of Big Ten officials' galactic tolerance for OPI. When they need to go heavy they add TE/FB #44 Adam Berghorst, a 6'7"/260 OL prospect who burned his redshirt last year. He got movement a few times on inserts but turning is outside of his capacity. I must note here that my appreciation of fullbacks does not extend to tackles who refuse to eat their PB&Js.

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Spread, Pro-Style, or Hybrid? Spread with a remnant of under center. Their base formation is four-wide out of 11 personnel (1 RB, 1TE, 3WR).

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Note: I chart clock downs as passing downs.

Formation   Personnel   Playcall
Down Type Gun Pistol Ace Goal   Avg WRs   Pass PA RPO Run
Standard (43) 51% 33% 16% -   2.86   28% 9% 12% 51%
Passing (44) 89% 11% - -   3.02   75% 5% 5% 16%
Total (87) 61 19 7 -   2.94   45 6 7 29

Yes, that is a high rate of passing downs. Jay seems highly predictable. While their personnel is almost always 11, they will often flex the tight end into a four-wide look. Out of the 28 snaps they did that, it was a pass 24 times, versus one play-action and three RPOs. Usually a pretty quick pass actually. They want the ball away from the backfield as quickly as possible.

Basketball on Grass or MANBALL? They pull guys plenty but it's in the service of getting outside. They run best inside with different versions of Iso, and use folds (where one lineman pulls around the guy next to him) often. This rewarded the Rutgers DTs for flying upfield on the snap, which is their favorite thing to do.

Hurry it up or grind it out? MSU broke out tempo five times in this game, and that led to the majority of their RPS wins, as well as this fantastic work by the BTN video crew:

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The tempo is so effective because they're not that quick to the line otherwise. Don't get lulled.

Quarterback Dilithium Level (Scale: 1 [Navarre] to 10 [Denard]): They do have a few QB runs and options in the offense because it's 2020 and even Chad Henne is running zone reads, but Lombardi keepers are definitely Henne-like.

"Henne-like" is a 2.

HenneChart: Keep in mind that 45/57 of the passing plays I charted here were straight-up passes on passing downs or during comeback hour, and he had to get the ball out quickly. Most of his completions were quick outs on pick plays and the like.

Rocky Lombardi Good   Neutral   Bad   DSR
Opponent DO CA SCR   PR MA   BA TA IN BR  
Rutgers 6 19(6)+ 2   4 4   - 2 4xx 4xx   77%

Lombardi vastly surpassed my (admittedly low) expectations. On the super-rare occasions he got a couple of seconds to stand in a pocket and a plausible reason to throw to a functional receiver, he did something that looked really hard to defend:

Lombardi's pocket presence also bailed his line out of a few sacks that you see a lot of college quarterbacks take, and he was good at getting the ball out on schedule.

Where he broke down was in the Air Raid stuff that his new coaches seemed to be trying to drill into him. Both picks and an INx this game were on a couple of "not on the same page as the receiver" throws on the sideline when Jalen Nailor was running downfield. Those are sight reads where the receiver and the quarterback are supposed to be watching what kind of leverage the cornerback's playing with, and either taking him deep or cutting off the route depending on his disposition.

This one I put on Lombardi; there's a Cover 2 cornerback reading his eyes and standing "open" which means he can break on a ball to the sideline but will have to turn all the way to get over the top. It's also 3rd and 13 and the stop option is at 13 yards.

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There was another of these where the ball sailed out the sideline at least 20 feet from the WR or CB. In that case I blamed the WR.

Frames Janklin Factor: If you're an oddball, it's better to embrace what makes you different than try to replicate what makes others successful. Tucker chose to go for it on 4th and 3 from the Rutgers 44 when down 14-0 in the 1st quarter, and tried again on 4th and 2 from the Rutgers 20 when down 28-20 in the 3rd Q. Both were stuffed without any doubt. That's a pretty good metaphor for the Mel Tucker era at MSU: they do the surface things that Michigan got wrong for ever—pay their coaches a lot of money, recruit on the same terms that their rivals do, and go for it on 4th and 3 or less in their opponents' territory. But because they're Michigan State the only coaches they can give the money to are their old staffers, talking to recruits about NLI and branding just begs the comparison with the bigger brands they recruit against, and no way in East Lansing is this offensive line getting you 3 yards.

Dangerman: Figures it's the one guy who went to Western Michigan. Jaylen Reed is a slot receiver who's just tall enough to get listed at 6'0" and who can jump high enough to be as much of a weapon as someone who actually clears it. He had 11 catches on 14 targets for 128 yards and 2 touchdowns in this game, despite being covered most of the day by a cornerback (Tre Avery) we've called decent in this space before. He also had two of their fumbles, a bad drop, and a tendency to jump upfield for a ball to create space for YAC when the circumstances just want the chains moved. You can also argue he's right to push things:

Michigan would do well to know where he is at all times. Optimally the answer will be in a highly unsocial distance from Dax Hill.

MSU will still find ways to use Reed. He's dangerous on kickoffs and made the receiver group's only effective downfield block (which got called for a horseshit blindside hit). This will be another early test for the new-look secondary.

OVERVIEW:

It's weird to say this after we made so much fun of the deck chairs rearrangements, but I think Michigan State took a significant coaching hit on this side of the ball. Last year's OC under Dantonio was Brad Salem, the guy many in Spartandom thought should have been calling the plays for years before his number came up just before the end of the show. Salem had them throwing fades to Cody White, leaning on Lewerke's legs, and borrowing CB Julian Barnett, their other Belleville blue-chip, to create just enough space for Elijah Collins to do the rest.

One game into a COVID season, Jay Johnson has a half-way decent West Coast quarterback blowing drives with Air Raid reads he doesn't know how to make, throwing quickly to speedy receivers who don't know how to run routes let alone vamp them, and leaning on an offensive line and backfield that have neither the practice, agility, or will to run the new plays. Jay also played into Rutgers's strengths by trying to pull around DTs who were shooting upfield, and packing his receivers in trips formations to the boundary side which mitigated their safety issues. Yes he correctly avoided putting too much on his offensive line in the passing game. It's game one of a weird season, MSU got even less opportunity than most because of COVID outbreaks, they've already got a standard late-October's disabled list, and there's not much talent to work with. You feel a "but" coming here; I don't have one yet. It's a new staff and they deserve time to turn things around.

One thing they definitely kept around from the previous regime is the cheap shit. Matt Allen may be vastly less talented than his brothers but he's just as grabby. Also there will be pick routes.

Rutgers responded to this by going to a soft Cover 2 shell.

Yes this is a touchdown but Rutgers's #7 is that guy who almost singlehandedly cost Ohio State a game against Maryland a few years and 25 pounds ago. Also Jaylen Reed can football.

The running game is an utter disaster. You've seen Michigan run pin & pull enough the last two years that you're familiar with how it works. Here's how it doesn't work:

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I also got frustrated on behalf of Poor Damn Elijah Collins. The broadcasters can be expected to play up a freshman running back who takes the yards provided when Rutgers does Rutgers things:

I would expect, however, that the coaches wouldn't fall for it. Jordon Simmons ruining a well-blocked Pin & Pull by trying to go around the kickout block is a freshman teaching moment if done late in a blowout against Rutgers.

When it's done while down two scores to Rutgers while last year's MVP is on the bench, you have to wonder what the coaches are thinking. As Matt Millen says, there's only two ways to do it. You've got a stud out there who can do it, or you have to scheme it. If you start having to rely on scheme that gets old.

When your scheme is also terrible, well buddy.

Comments

1VaBlue1

October 29th, 2020 at 3:22 PM ^

If he's getting rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds or less, there's not likely to be a big rush.  But if he takes any longer than that, he's fucked.  Jeter, Kemp, and Welschof can beat that center off the snap, too, so even the DT's should get movement quickly.  I'm sure they'll hit some slants, but their run game...  They're going to wish Rutger was back in the state!

reshp1

October 29th, 2020 at 3:26 PM ^

They'll have zero run threat though. I expect LBs to be pretty passive in run support and instead fill the zones underneath which means Lombardi will have either have to pull it down or make BRX throws. Those 1.5s drop and throws aren't gimmies when the defense knows that's all you got.

BahamaMama

October 29th, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^

The LG filler is currently #59 Blake Bueter whose 247 composite ranking was “I didn’t know they go that high.” I enjoyed this too much. 

Looking forward to a Sparty beatdown Saturday.

1VaBlue1

October 29th, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^

Yeah...  So I knew that the MSU OL was bad, but my Gawd, I didn't realize it was that bad.  I didn't watch the game Saturday, so this read is stark, dank, and filled with night terrors - if you're an MSU fan.

Run the offense, work on some things that Joe didn't get to do last week, and move on.  This will be a blowout even if the scout team plays...

PopeLando

October 29th, 2020 at 3:41 PM ^

The fact that MSU lost by only 11 points after giving Rutgers 7 turnovers is testament to how poorly Rutgers played. MSU could have won in spite of themselves last week. Part of that was taking advantage of the refs: there was CLASSIC MSU OL holding going on, where Dwumfour would get bear-hugged and...no flags. So Sparty did it again and again and again. And still lost.

After MSU fumbled on their own 1 yard line, it took Rutgers 5(!!) plays to gain that one yard. Helped immensely by an MSU DB deciding to interfere with a WR who had no chance at catching the pass.

It took nigh-unthinkable incompetence for MSU to lose last week, but they did it.

reshp1

October 29th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^

Their interior OL is as bad as I've seen in P5 football, maybe D1 in general. They look so unathletic and plodding, like Seth says, it makes it looks like they're not trying. They also couldn't figure out who to block, tough combo. Their RBs also were absolutely horrendous at picking up the pass rush. Get them into 3rd and long and it's going to be a long, long day for them. 

Grampy

October 29th, 2020 at 3:27 PM ^

Call it PSTD, but I can't help but think MSU is going to bust out something new and effective against our patchwork secondary (I'm dying to see the Defensive UFR).  Too many bad memories from the past coupled with my belief that nobody has an offensive line as bad as what I saw against Rutgers.  From your fingertips to God's eyeballs, Seth.

Warrior-poet

October 29th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^

I am in this camp as well. No matter how bad they look in previous games, they always seem to play over their heads against M.  Lombardi looked competent mostly - a huge improvement. They really didn’t do anything fancy though. Probably difficult to run complex stuff with limited prep time. No excuses, should smash them. 

Toby Flenderson

October 29th, 2020 at 6:33 PM ^

Yeah they used to do that when we were bad. But I think people overrate the “joodoo” of this rivalry. The best team always wins this rivalry. MSU won those previous games and had those annoying breaks cuz Dantonio was a good coach and MSU had game breakers. Sure Jayden Reed is a good receiver, he isn’t as good as rashod Bateman, and he will be facing a secondary that can actually tackle. 
 

fuck being scared. These boys are gonna kick MSU’s booty. 

lhglrkwg

October 29th, 2020 at 8:38 PM ^

Yeah we're all feeling as confident as Michigan fans have felt going into the MSU game since...2006? Makes me nervous. I know MSU looks like trash, but there's so little data so far that it gives me caution. Not like we're 5-0 and they're 0-5. It probably will be a beatdown, but our collective cockiness has me afraid of the football gods wrath

lsjtre

October 29th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^

Don Brown is surely licking his chops, will be nice if Hill can get in and do things and get back to form and then get to the bench with no hiccups 

MNWolverine2

October 29th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^

The only thing to be nervous about is that same blue circle filled line did beat us in 2017.

Seth does a great job of breaking this down.  Much like last week, control Jaylen Reed, and things should be fine.  

Blake Forum

October 29th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^

It increasingly seems like the best medium-term scheme change for Michigan State might be to scheme up an escape to the B1G West, where they might win more than 0-2 games a year

njvictor

October 29th, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^

This was a very confusing piece to read because my brain had to remind itself everytime Sparty did something half way decent to look at Rutgers and see they were playing like chickens with their heads cutoff

A State Fan

October 29th, 2020 at 4:11 PM ^

Seth: Anthony Williams never entered the portal. That was Heyward (back), and Jefferson (at WMU).

Hey, Collins got the star I was hoping for! Though MSU had him 3rd string for god knows why last week. I heard on a podcast he had 14 yards after contact, finishing the day with 9 carries for 3 yards. Yikes.

I honestly hope the coaches treated last week as a spring game, and sat Collins some to light a fire under him, and not because they think Heyward is better. That misevaluation would be more damning on our long term prospects. Simmons showed some good things I guess, it'd been a minute since MSU had any speed at RB.

I was happy with Rocky's performance, way better than I thought, though if you take out that 50 yard catch and run by Reed his YPC isn't that great. A lot of dink and dunk.

Don't agree with Nailor getting a cyan circle, unless you're blaming him for Rocky's INT. He's been a very exciting player in the few games he's been healthy for (I think only 8 so far in his 2 season at MSU).

This is the first time anyone's said Dotson has good hands in his career. Was hoping for more from Gillerson, TBD on him.

My god the OL is terrible. Just dreadful. Though I wouldn't say Dobbs is the LT if healthy, it's been Acuri's job last year and this basically without any question. Would like if we could push out our bad walk-on Guards with the guys who've shown some potential.

Overall, really shows why the MSU coaches weren't upset with the season being pushed to spring. We had coaches who could even move to MSU until the summer, very little summer work, no new strength training, etc. 1 month here of practice and into the fire.

The Geek

October 30th, 2020 at 8:45 AM ^

You guys are clearly way behind the rest of the league due to the coaching change and COVID breakout, but the talent drop off from 2017 is undeniable. Mork mailed it in the last couple years and it’s going to be quite a while before you guys are relevant again, and that’s if Mel Tucker is the guy, which I have doubts. Maybe you can beat Maryland and your crossover with Nebraska? 

Hail to the Vi…

October 29th, 2020 at 6:55 PM ^

It will be a tough go of it for Mel, and I don't think he will end up being there long term. If you look at the way he was hired, he took the job for the money, not for the opportunity. It was a lateral move from Colorado to MSU, he turned the job down, then took the job after the second offer for a boat load of cash. He doesn't have any ties to the university, and he didn't take any kind of step up in prestige or divisional competitiveness (i.e. DII or MAC --> B1G) that would make him invested in the legacy of their program.

He is a good recruiter and his players like him, so his style would be successful at a place like San Diego St., or Miami, or Arizona State, or Colorado; a campus where the location and geography are as big or greater of a draw for talent than the actual results on the football field. East Lansing, Michigan..? Not a chance.

He'll get his money, he and the University will both agree after the 2023 season that it's not a good fit, and he'll move on. If MSU is lucky Chris Creighton at EMU will still be available, but the way he's building that program he may already have another B1G job by then.

lhglrkwg

October 29th, 2020 at 8:35 PM ^

Seems like Paye and Hutchinson are going to feast this week if given the chance. Probably means MSU is going to everything in their power to avoid long dropbacks and thus I imagine they're going to try to come in with a zillion screens and shallow rub routes and the like to avoid those two at all costs.

I guess if they don't avoid those two like the plague, then it's time to Cackle with Knowing Glee because it's gonna be a fun few years till Tucker gets himself fired

bronxblue

October 29th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^

Lombardi seemed reasonably competent, though obvious Rutgers defense + blowout-ish caveats apply.  But we saw Michigan make a much better offense play with one part of their playbook and it wasn't particularly effective, and MSU's playbook is significantly worse than any version Minny could have trotted out.  Feels like a game where MSU keeps it close-ish for a bit but I don't see how they keep Lombradi upright, let alone able to find holes in the defense.