2020 Recruiting: Dan Villari Comment Count

Brian September 28th, 2020 at 11:45 AM

Previously: Last year's profiles. S Makari Paige, S RJ Moten, S Jordan Morant, CB Andre Seldon, CB Darion Green-Warren, CB Eamonn Dennis, VP William "Apache" Mohan, LB Nikhai Hill-Green, LB Kalel Mullings, LB Cornell Wheeler, LB Osman Savage, DE Aaron Lewis, DE Jaylen Harrell, DE Braiden McGregor, DT Kris Jenkins, OL Reece Atteberry, OL Zak Zinter, OL Jeffrey Persi, TE Matthew Hibner, WR Roman Wilson, WR AJ Henning, RB Blake Corum.

 
Massapequa, NY – 6'4", 225
 

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24/7 3*, 85 rating
#32 PRO, #10 NY
Rivals 3*, 5.5 rating
NR DUAL, #13 NY
ESPN 3*, 75 rating
#45 PRO, #10 NY
Composite 3*, #1225 overall
#42 PRO, #12 NY
Other Suitors Buffalo, Kent State, UMass
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Senior Year:

When JD Johnson was forced to retire from football due to a heart issue, Michigan found itself in a bad spot. These days quarterbacks go off the board earlier than any other position; pickings were slim. Anyone contemplating a flip from a secure situation was also looking down the barrel of a five-star 2021 QB commit. CJ Stroud was a highly rated dual-threat who was still uncommitted, but he went to Ohio State because that's how it works.

Enter Dan Villari, Fordham decommit and the #1225 player in the 24/7 composite. Here's your sleeper starter kit.

Michigan QB Signee Dan Villari Ready To Silence Critics

'Ultimate competitor': Dan Villari's unexpected journey to Michigan and desire to prove doubters wrong

You have now received your sleeper starter kit.

[After THE JUMP: scouting! no, not really]

As you might imagine, Villari scouting is minimal, verging on Dadaist. Steve Wiltfong's sole Villari assertion is that he's "a bit of a project but certainly having traits." The only non-local Rivals take was Mike Farrell saying he's "ranked as a three star because he's a good athlete and could play another position."

What does exist has to be taken in context, as Villari is not exactly going up against the 1984 Chicago Bears out on Long Island. This team appears to be comprised of literal children?

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Villari did detonate his opposition appropriately, with 1495 passing yards and 1315 rushing yards on the season. Detailed full-season stats did not come up in my search but through nine games Villari had a 65% completion rate and zero interceptions. He did this despite playing in a league with a weird mercy rule. The violation of that rule was the first step on Villari's path to Michigan:

The way Villari understood it, Harbaugh called after seeing a story about the Plainedge football coach being suspended because of a controversial margin-of-victory rule. Plainedge had beaten a rival school 61-13, which violated a league rule designed to keep teams from running up the score, and the story got some national attention.

“I had five touchdowns in that game,” Villari said. “I guess he saw my name in there.”

Villari also "put the glove on" the opposition's star wide receiver in the Long Island title game, in the evocatively weird words of the Massapequa Observer.

Villari did show at the local Opening regional, which gave Brian Dohn the opportunity to review his performance there once he suddenly became a D-1 recruit:

pretty accurate. … arm strength was good.  He’s a big, physical kid who can stand in the pocket.  He ran a 5.01 in the 40, which is s not the dual threat that you want.  But if you watch him play, he moves in the pocket. He has got short space quickness to where he’ll be able to avoid somebody and keep his eyes downfield and throw the ball. … big, physical kid. … if he’s in the pocket – he’s going to be hard to bring down.  He’s thick, he’s smart, he makes quick reads.  … has to be a little quicker on some of his throws."

The 5.0 in the 40 means he's not going to McCaffrey anyone but at 6'4" 230, Villari looks extremely comfortable taking contact and powering through it. If he does break through his running ability should remain extant. There is a genre of quarterback that usually ends up at Michigan State or South Carolina; these guys are capable of ripping off 15 yards if you don't contain them and are rugged enough to deal with eight or so carries a game.

Throwing the ball is also sort of important and is more of an open question. This is overheated coach talk but there's some truth in it:

…along with the velocity to fit into tight windows and strength to drive the ball down the field he’s able to change the pace on the ball and put it where his receivers can run after the catch consistently. … [has the] ability to extend plays, work off schedule, and throw from all platforms with velocity and accuracy. His combination of speed, agility, vision, and strength that allows him to turn nothing into something and create explosive plays for the offense.”

Villari does have a number of impressive off-platform throws on his tape. It's not all standing around a clean pocket and hitting wide open receivers. The wind-up seems like an issue, though. Villari has a long-ass delivery that'll make throws a hair late and put more on his ability to read things quickly.

A position shift is possible. Farrell mentioned it above and Dohn asserted he "could see him being a tight end, in-line guy" because "it's the frame, it's some of the athleticism, it's the awareness." This was couched in a lot of swearing up and down that he's a quarterback and will be a quarterback. It has been broached.

Villari's recruitment was limited to some FCS schools until lower-level FBS schools entered the picture late. Michigan was pitching him a grayshirt:

“Coach Harbaugh told me for now he wants me as a preferred walk-on for 1 year and than scholarship for 4 years,” Villari told The Michigan Insider. “But other than that he said they are interested in me. He texted me yesterday. He called my head coach last week.”

It does appear he was of serious interest to Wisconsin, but Wisconsin's perpetually miniscule scholarship numbers—they retain players better than anyone in the country—meant there was not a spot for him. Villari seems like the exact kind of guy they develop into a linebacker who's miserable to play against. Pitt and Syracuse were sniffing around.

Villari is widely reputed to be a program guy:

“I talked to a couple of coaches on Long Island in the past few days and they said that the reputation of Dan is that he’ll watch a ton of tape. He’ll work incredibly hard, and they expect him to continue to make incremental gains.

His QB coach:

“He has the attitude and the effort and the want-to to continually get better and build upon the natural athleticism and arm talent and tools that he’s been given. He’s obviously still a work in progress, but he’s going to work harder than anybody.”

If Villari ends up being a plausible Big Ten quarterback who gets stuck behind a good to great starter and sticks around that would be excellent. Hard to project that these days when any quarterback who gets a hint he might be second on the depth chart leaves for the goddamn moon, but it would be nice. Also get off my lawn.

Etc.: Nope.

Why Brian Lewerke? As mentioned, Villari does have a dual threat aspect that's not based on out-and-out speed but the ability to make a read, slip a tackle, and fall forward. He's likely to have some limitations as a passer once the competition level steps up. MSU's Brian Lewerke is a reasonable version of what Villari might be in college.

People forget this but before the MSU OL kilt him, Lewerke was coming off a reasonably promising sophomore year (6.7 YPA, 20 TD, 7 INT, ~550 rushing yards). He never progressed statistically and dealt with a wide array of injuries; late in his career he was utterly incapable of throwing off schedule because he had no pop in his arm. A non-kilt version of Lewerke may have been pretty decent as a senior. 

Michigan has not had a burly quasi-dual-threat QB in a minute. Joe Milton is in the same category of guys who are sort of mobile for their size but we've barely seen him on the field and Villari is not reputed to have an Uncle Rico arm. 

Guru Reliability: Very low. Close to unscouted, but Dohn had an in-person look.

Variance: High. System shock going from Long Island to Big Ten will be massive and washout is possible. On the upside, guy has the physical ability to exceed expectations.

Ceiling: Moderate. Reasonable to believe he tops out as a gritty runner and somewhat limited passer who can be functional in the Big Ten.

General Excitement Level: Low. I apologize for joining the ranks of the Haters and Doubters.

Projection: Well, he's the third quarterback this year and may well end up on the field whether he's ready or not. If things go about how you'd expect Joe Milton will have a two or three year run as the starter, at which point Villari will be competing against Cade McNamara, JJ McCarthy, and whoever comes in behind him. Everyone believes that'll be McCarthy's job.

Without a massive upset, Villari will then opt to be a long-term backup (having a Kenny Guiton would be a good thing for the program), switch to tight end or fullback, or transfer.

Comments

SoccerDancer

September 28th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^

Ok,  but this doesn't sound like there is much new information based on how the fall preseason practices have gone, or how he's fitting. This almost feels like just a revisit of the info we had in the Spring and it would be a good thought to review since with DM moving on, DV becomes 3rd in line. I asked Sam about this not too long back and would love to know what people have actually seen. Seems like with DM moving on, that DV's slight bump to 3rd would at least draw some additional appraisal based on what he's actually looked like at actual Mich practices since August.  Curious Minds want to know.

Dizzy

September 28th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^

This guy's tape is nuts. Competition level is obviously questionable, but dude made some incredible plays. Have to wonder where he would've been ranked had he gone to some camps.

Love his vision running and touch throwing down field.

Michigan coaches seem to be good at finding guys who don't have much publicity. Given the situation they were in, this guy was a great pickup.

lhglrkwg

September 28th, 2020 at 12:44 PM ^

As a resident of NYS, I'm always surprised how little football talent a state of our size spits out. Even if you forget NYC for a second, you have four metro areas all approximately Grand Rapids in size but consistently NY only has a few 4*s a year. It's not like we're cranking out basketball talent either. Maybe we're just a bunch of unathletic schmucks over here...

Mongo

September 28th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^

NY is a lacrosse state, especially Long Island where Dan played football.  Also, the SUNY state university system is devoid of P5 football.  D1 programs are Albany, Buffalo and Stony Brook but none are FBS schools.  So no natural high school feeder pipeline like in the Midwest, where the flagship universities are big destinations for FBS football talent.  The Midwest high schools develop players for those universities. There is no such natural draw in NY.

lhglrkwg

September 28th, 2020 at 2:58 PM ^

I suppose I sort of meant my comparison to be non-NYC New York vs. non-Detroit Michigan. Seems like non-Detroit Michigan spits out a good bit more 4* types per capita than non-NYC New York does considering metros of around a million where Michigan just has GR while NY has Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. Maybe we really are just a hockey and lacrosse state over here. I know lacrosse is especially big in Rochester and Syracuse

L'Carpetron Do…

September 28th, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^

Yeah but lacrosse is a spring sport - and a ton of lacrosse players in NYS and LI play football in the fall. Also, soccer is a pretty popular fall sport and gets kids at a younger age than football (it got me and a lot of my buddies - a half generation earlier we would've been playing football instead). And there's just not the Dr. Pepper Fanville football culture on LI the way there is everywhere else. 

Also- this sounds weird, but we just don't have many people who are very big.

matty blue

September 28th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

no way i'm going to run this kid down.  he's a hard worker, he's got some talent, and he might get the opportunity to play.  at state he'd be getting run as a possible future starter...and hey - let's be honest here, pre-kilt brian lewerke might've been nice to have over the last two seasons.  roll the dice, man.

even if he never sees the field, he's got a chance to get a degree from the greatest university in the world.  get it, dude.  be a michigan man.

WolvinLA2

September 28th, 2020 at 1:23 PM ^

For a dude his size (and age) and 5.0 40 is not slow. No, it's not Denard. But it he can mature (and change his body composition a bit) and get that to 4.8 in a couple years, that's a legit dual threat. Again, not in the Denard mold, but certainly in the Roethlisburger mold. Not a guy who will bust off a 40 yarder on a designed QB run but who is always a threat to pick up the first down with his legs on 3rd and 8 if you leave the middle open.

Blue Middle

September 28th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^

You need guys like this in your program.  Villari may never start at QB (or any other position) for Michigan, but hopefully he will work hard and provide our scout team with a real weapon that forces our defense to step-up their game as they prepare.  And when his number is called, he'll be capable.

Maybe there's a position switch to TE, LB, or even DE.  Maybe he rounds into an excellent passer.  He's got some of the traits that could make his a great player.  But more likely, he helps the program move to a higher level as a back-up, scout player, and swiss-army practice nightmare for any starter who has even a moment of complacency.

I wish him the best and hope he exceeds expectations.  GO BLUE!

njvictor

September 28th, 2020 at 2:16 PM ^

His mechanics need some work, but there is definitely something to work with there given his size, athleticism, and arm strength. Could end up being a Josh Allen type if all works out with him

PasadenaFan

September 28th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^

I like Villari.  He knows how to drop the ball in there and he can run.

I watched JJ McCarthy the other night on ESPNU.  There is no way he can take over the first year.   He over shoots and misses guys a lot.

I would not count Villari out.

AZBlue

September 28th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^

Still rated higher than the MSU QB in the class even with the late opportunity and JJ coming in 2021 (lol).  Good luck young man! As for the comp, a “pre-broken” Brian Lewerke might not have been a star but he was a gamer and a huge pain in the ass to play against.

FYI — While checking the QB rankings...(Villari in #42 Pro QB and the MSU guy, Kim, was #43)..... I noticed that they had moved CJ Stroud all the way up to the #2 overall Pro QB on the composite.  Kid either was an extremely late bloomer or they are highly overrating a single season performance and subsequent interest by M, OSU, etc.

L'Carpetron Do…

September 28th, 2020 at 3:21 PM ^

Hey - a Long Island boy! I'm psyched for him and I hope he does well. I'm pretty sure my high school team was the one that got mercied. And then lost again 59-0 in the rematch! Go Cyclones! 

No more dissing LI football - Wisconsin QB Jack Coan is an LI QB as well. I think it's probably more of an overlooked/under-utilized recruiting area the way Massachusetts and New England has been for Michigan the last few years. There have been a handful of pretty excellent pro players to come out of Long Island including legendary Michigan lineman Jumbo Elliot, Lions great Stephen Boyd and the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME Jim Brown. 

thatguycharlie

September 28th, 2020 at 3:35 PM ^

I stumbled upon The Prattle Sports Podcast from following various Michigan baseball folks. I've been catching up on some of the "Wolverine Wednesday" podcasts lately, but I scrolled down today and saw this one with Dan Villari from January 15, 2020. This is the description of the episode:

"Hey everyone! Welcome to another Wolverine Wednesday. Today, Michigan 2020 QB commit Dan Villari joins the show. Him and I talk about his high school football career in New York, how he wound up getting a scholarship offer from Coach Harbaugh, his strengths and weaknesses currently in his game, and much more. Thanks a lot for checking The Prattle out. Go Blue and peace out!"

https://twitter.com/PrattleThe/status/1217447025987522561