Is Lavall Jordan our Izzo?
February 16th, 2016 at 9:17 PM ^
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February 16th, 2016 at 9:21 PM ^
Give this board a break. 4 years ago there were threads claming JB is going to make Izzo retire.
February 16th, 2016 at 10:25 PM ^
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February 17th, 2016 at 6:48 AM ^
I get that recruiting is either a yes or no outcome, but there is so much more greyspace. We were on to Jaylen Brown, but some weird shit happened where he committed to Cal? Tyus Battle rushed to save his spot which cost us Langford, followed by Tyus Battle decommitted to a program that is in NCAA purgatory for being the only school actually being punished for cheating.
February 17th, 2016 at 7:41 AM ^
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February 17th, 2016 at 8:30 AM ^
Basketball classes are small, and recruits go early. The miss outlined above was some weird stuff. Missing on all three targets because of timing and some weird stuff. But having high profile guys not live up to their potential (Irvin, Chatman), having promising young guys not take the next step forward (Dawkins, Doyle), and senior injuries (LeVert, Spike), have made the recruiting seem like a bigger problem than it is.
Recruiting class sizes make any misses seem much worse because you have no one to patch them over with. Plus you are stuck with that mistake for four years. The only way to correct for that in a short period of time is to run your program like Indiana.
I will say this though. Beilein's tactic of waiting until players Junior year to offer is probably his biggest mistake. Recruiting is a dirty game and Beilein is the cleanest of them all. That is something to hang your hat on.
February 17th, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^
I don't disagree with much, but I don't think Doyle was ever very promising. He's big (not tall, though) and had a stretch of 3 or 4 games last year where you turned your head. Also in those games he was exposed defensively, so there was always the chance it was a mirage... He's far away, still, from being a starter.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:18 PM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 9:20 PM ^
February 17th, 2016 at 8:23 AM ^
was Izzo known as a great recruiter when he was an assnt under Heathcoat?
February 16th, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^
I must've missed it. Is he 5'1?
February 16th, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 9:47 PM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 10:00 PM ^
Does Zak Novak have any eligibility left? Please....
February 16th, 2016 at 9:20 PM ^
Great Recruiter? Guess I'm missing all the top talent we have been getting.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:20 PM ^
Uh, at this point, it depends on how the Beilein tenure ends. I do like LaVall. I think he's the best assistant on the staff. But say, if there's a scenario out there where Beilein ends up losing his job here, I'd want to start fresh.
February 16th, 2016 at 11:41 PM ^
that he's a good coach? It's an honest question, I haven't heard anything other than his supposed "magic touch" with PGs when Morris and Burke both hit, but that hype has obviously kind of calmed down and only has to do with the development of one position. Any idea if he's a good tactician, scout, game planner, motivator, etc?
Just wondering if there's chatter since it's tough in bball to know what an assistant's role is.
February 17th, 2016 at 2:57 AM ^
every guard has over achieved at UM except maybe vogrich. alexander is the guy that should be on the hot seat.
February 17th, 2016 at 9:29 AM ^
Walton has underachieved (high 4-star recruit) or at best met expectations. Irvin has met expecations (he was Indiana's Mr. Basketball) at best.
February 17th, 2016 at 11:13 AM ^
Please explain why you view Alexander should be on the hot seat?
February 16th, 2016 at 9:20 PM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 9:27 PM ^
See, I hate this take.
All good coaches work the refs.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:38 PM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 9:41 PM ^
You hate it when it's not your guy but you like when it is your guy.
I don't like izzo because he wins and capitalized on the shitshow that went on here in the late 90s/virtually the entire 2000s.
February 16th, 2016 at 11:57 PM ^
February 17th, 2016 at 5:04 AM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 10:42 PM ^
All good coaches work the refs.
Many manage to do it without looking like an ass.
February 16th, 2016 at 11:51 PM ^
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February 17th, 2016 at 12:00 AM ^
February 18th, 2016 at 1:20 AM ^
My response was to WD saying he hated the take that Izzo was a whiner and that all good coaches work the refs.
You can be a good coach and still be a whiner on the sideline.
You can work the refs and do it without looking like whiner.
They are not mutually exclusive.
I never claimed holier than thou status or said that I though JH or Bo were perfect with their sideline demeanor.
February 17th, 2016 at 1:37 AM ^
Beilein can yell at the refs with the best of them.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:22 PM ^
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February 16th, 2016 at 9:22 PM ^
Outlook not so good.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:23 PM ^
I can't believe Archie Miller hasn't moved up the ladder from Dayton yet.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:25 PM ^
Michigan Basketball has resources 99% of other Universities would kill for. Michigan deserves better than Lavell Jordan.
Michigan deserves better than what JB has given us the last 2 years.
This time next year, I'll be saying: Michigan deserves better than what JB has given us the last 3 years.
Rinse and repeat. He's peaked. I hope he retires on his own terms, he deserves it. With efforts like tonight becoming far too common, he's going to force Warde's hand sooner than later.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:26 PM ^
You are one of the most in the know people on this site. Tell me this: what does Manuel think of Beilein?
February 16th, 2016 at 9:28 PM ^
Lazy Recruiter
February 16th, 2016 at 11:44 PM ^
Is that the full extent of his opinion of Beilein?
Also, do you expect Warde to be more aggressive in building the program than his predecessors? Will he loosen the rules around what the program can do to recruit?
Appreciate the insight.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:32 PM ^
How is he in the know? Serious question.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:40 PM ^
February 16th, 2016 at 9:43 PM ^
I'm not usually.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:40 PM ^
Michigan Basketball has resources 99% of other Universities would kill for.
No superstar coach will come here and play second fiddle to Harbaugh and the Football program.
Accept this. We are a football school and this will never change.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:48 PM ^
Yeah, because Billy Donavon really hated winning national championships in Urban Meyer's Shadow...
Michigan's reach for a basketball coach is up there with any program in the country. Our fan base, Michigan's Brand, Jordan's Brand and our AD's competitiveness can accomplish more than you think.
If the money is right. If the resources are there, and you have a boss that is as comitted to winning as you are, you'll consider the job.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:49 PM ^
You are too young to know what the basketball program was like in the late 80s and early 90s. Hell, look at the run that the 2013 team had. There is plenty of room for both to be incrediby successful.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:50 PM ^
Look no further than Ohio State.
2004–05 | Ohio State | 20–12 | 8–8 | 6th | Ineligible |
2005–06 | Ohio State | 26–6 | 12–4 | 1st | NCAA Round of 32 |
2006–07 | Ohio State | 35–4 | 15–1 | 1st | NCAA Runner-up |
2007–08 | Ohio State | 24–13 | 10–8 | 5th | NIT Champions |
2008–09 | Ohio State | 22–11 | 10–8 | T–4th | NCAA Round of 64 |
2009–10 | Ohio State | 29–8 | 14–4 | T–1st | NCAA Sweet Sixteen |
2010–11 | Ohio State | 34–3 | 16–2 | 1st | NCAA Sweet Sixteen |
2011–12 | Ohio State | 31–8 | 13–5 | T–1st | NCAA Final Four |
2012–13 | Ohio State | 29–8 | 13–5 | T–2nd | NCAA Elite Eight |
2013–14 | Ohio State | 25–10 | 10–8 | 5th | NCAA Round of 64 |
2014–15 | Ohio State | 24–11 | 11–7 | 6th | NCAA Round of 32 |
February 17th, 2016 at 12:44 AM ^
February 17th, 2016 at 1:30 AM ^
and he's still young. Only in his 40s I believe. Matta has a lot more in him.
February 17th, 2016 at 1:40 AM ^
was to laugh, because not only does Thad Matta look old as shit, but he has been coaching Ohio State for basically my entire rooting life (I'm a sophomore in college). But then I looked it up, and I found out he's 6 years younger than my dad. Now I want to cry.
February 16th, 2016 at 10:49 PM ^
And that team was coached by John Beilein.
You guys realize that our longest tournament streak was a grand total of 6 years?
Down years happen. Our program history is full of them after successful years. Due to graduation or NBA departures.
I discount last year since everyone and their brother had some kind of injury. This year is sort of different. Caris wasn't stopping SMU from dunking 12 times on us so that excuse is out the window if this team fails to make the tournament.
I think they will, but it will be close.