OT: Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Piazza Elected to Baseball HOF
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99.3%
What possible reason could 3 voters have to not have Griffey Jr. on their ballots?
I don't get baseball voters man.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
I figure those three voters should be found and have their voting privileges removed.
As a Dodgers fan, Piazza can bite me, the first guy he throws out at second base will be his first(Yes his offense more than made up for it, but I am feeling salty).
January 7th, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^
always makes me want Pizza.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
Go eat a Piazza Pizza...
January 7th, 2016 at 3:04 PM ^
Glad to see Piazza finally make it to the HOF. The holier than thou HOF voters who refused to vote him in on his first three ballots because of rumor and innuendo can go to Ohio.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^
Great for Griffey and Piazza, but the baseball HOF is such a crock of shit. How a guy like Trammell didn't get in is beyond me.
January 7th, 2016 at 4:09 PM ^
"old guy" committee.
Good news for Jr. - he is one of my favorite ball players!
January 7th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
Either way the logic works, it's dumb. People are supposed to vote for a player if they think he's deserving, and there is no question that Griffey (and many others who have failed to get 100%) are deserving of the HOF.
Baseball writers have a bigger stick up their ass than pretty much any other group of people.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:28 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:38 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 4:13 PM ^
is "first ballot" worthy, so they change their vote in year 2.
Not sure why guys like Jeff Bagwell keep increasing their vote total each year, except for a sheep mentality with the voters.
January 7th, 2016 at 5:26 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 4:11 PM ^
Maybe those three suspect he wasn't clean? It may be completely unfair, but anyone who played in the steroid era could be under suspicion.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:10 PM ^
NO ONE has ever received 100%
Ken Griffey, Jr. is not the greatest baseball player of all-time
Don't understand the uproar over those 3 votes
January 7th, 2016 at 2:12 PM ^
Yeah but that's the thing... why is there such a ludicrous precedence in the first place?
It's not like Griffey getting 100% diminishes Cobb or Ruth's accomplishments...
January 7th, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
It's especially ridiculous considering that the first few elections were selecting guys from a list of dozens of eventual hall of famers who played in the few decades before the Hall of Fame came into existence. The reason guys like Cobb and Ruth weren't unanimous in the first election was because there were also guys like Cy freaking Young on the ballot who didn't come particularly close to election. If anyone has ever not cast a vote for a no-doubt hall of famer under the reasoning that "if Babe Ruth wasn't a unanimous selection, then nobody should be" he should have his voting rights stricken due to sheer stupidity.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
he would've been in by the 5th ballot.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:18 PM ^
Exactly. You compare Trammell's career numbers to Jeter's and they're awfully similar, with Trammell maybe coming out on top even. Difference between one guy being a likely first ballot HOFer and one guy not making it at all is one was the captain for the Yankees and the other wasn't. I think Jeter is a HOFer for sure, but so is Tram.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^
Jeter .310 BA .377 OBP 260 HR 1,311 RBI 3,465 hits
Tremmell .285 BA .352 OBP 185 HR 1,003 RBI 2,365 hits
I also agree that Trammell should be in the Hall of Fame.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
Jeter was a better offensive player (albeit in an offensive era), played in NY and won more titles. He was a bit of a statue defensively and managed to cover it by making easy plays appear difficult (e.g., jump throws and hustling for balls in foul territory that easily make it into the stands.
Trammell was a solid player in the pre-steroid era. An MVP award (got screwed in '87) would have helped.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:12 PM ^
oWAR, dWAR, and total
Jeter: 95.5, -9.7, 85.8
Trammell: 62.4, 22.0, 84.4
Jeter had better offensive stats while Trammell was undoubtedly a superior defender. Interestingly, the total WAR total is just about the same.
Another source puts Trammell's WAR at 70.4, good for 62nd place ALL-TIME among position players. Jeter's WAR is 71.8, good for 58th place. It's basically a tie using two different measures of WAR. And there's just a handful of SS's better (Honus, Ripken, Ozzie...) Trammell definitely belongs in the Hall.
(Sweet Lou Whitaker has a better WAR, 74.9, than Jeter or Trammell.)
January 7th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
I think Trammell belongs in the HoF, but besides the NY/Detroit thing, a big difference between the two of them is playoff history. Trammell played most of his career during a time when there were only 2 divisions in the AL and you had to win your division to make the playoffs. In his career, he made the post-season twice and played 13 post-season games total. Jeter played in 158 post-season games. Both players played their entire careers for one team, so they weren't exposed as much to writers who covered the other league. Interleague play started in 1999 after Trammell had retired, so his exposure to NL writers was limited to 1 world series appearance and 6 all-star games. Jeter played most of his career during the era of interleague play, plus he played for New York and dated supermodels.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:09 PM ^
Tram also happened to be MVP of the one series NL writers saw him in.
Advanced stats also REALLY favor his being in the Hall. His WAR is very similar to Barry Larkin's, maybe a little better than Jeter's. His OPS for a shortstop was quite good too.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^
Jeter has about a 1,000 more career hits, more career homers and RBI, and a higher career BA, OBP, and SLG.
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
Does anyone like Kevin Bacon on their Mike Piazza?
January 7th, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
You mean besides you???
January 7th, 2016 at 2:18 PM ^
Sad that Junior wasn't able to get the 100%. If Jeter gets it unanimously after Griffey didn't that's a crime.
Ken Griffey Junior will forever be my favorite baseball player of all time. Can't forget that sweet swing.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:29 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
I mean from my expertise standpoint, it was the only way I could crank out homers playing wiffle ball home-run derby with my buddies. Over and over the runt would win the contests and piss the older kids off. It's funny no one has mimmicked it. Or have they? I dont know.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:22 PM ^
No? Then the whole thing is a crock of shit.
Put an asterisk next to his name and include a display about the gambling and lying (maybe do the same thing for the 'roids era players?). But he should be in there as one of the greatest players ever.
/also bitter about Trammell
January 7th, 2016 at 3:04 PM ^
Pete signed a baseball for me. As for the HOF, fuck him. He's a cheater and a liar.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:44 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:29 PM ^
January 7th, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^
been if he stayed healthy. Damn his cards were worth the most money back in grade school too. Loved that guy. Should've collected more.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^
My favorite card was Mickey Hatcher. Couldn't hit worth a damn, but he sure could flash the leather.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^
One of the all-time classics - at least in my opinion - is the rare but still sought after Billy Ripken "Fuck Face" card. For those who don't know, there is a 1989 Fleer card on which Billy Ripken is holding a bat, the knob of which contains the phrase "Fuck Face". Fleer corrected the issue quickly, but a fair number of those cards were printed before they discovered the...well....aberration.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^
Health. That whole era most of the owners should be shot for playing baseball on concrete. Between the outfield walls he refused to stop for and the cement floors Griffey paid the price. Bonds would have been breaking the Kids records.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^
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January 7th, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^
The Baseball HOF is a crock of shit, plain and simple. The voting procedure, balloting, everything stinks.
January 7th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
Griffey & Piazza were two of the eight dudes in Griffey Baseball for the N64 who had giant batting circles!
January 7th, 2016 at 3:11 PM ^
I don't think it was possible to strike the computer out, and there were no real player names (replaced by names of famous celebrities, artists, and politcians), but otherwise it was an amazing game.
On a side note, I'm so used to him be called a future hall-of-famer, than an actual one. And Kobe is retiring while some of the teams he's played this year have players that were merely months old when he played his first game. Man, I'm feeling old.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:09 PM ^
Was that Pete from 30 rock in the commercial?
January 7th, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^
Sure was.
January 7th, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^
Does anyone remember when Piazza held that press conference saying he wasn't gay? That was a bit strange.
January 7th, 2016 at 5:32 PM ^
Hahaha. I don't remember that.
January 7th, 2016 at 4:40 PM ^
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