The pick six: Jake Rudock or Grant Perry at fault?
Amongst the usual collection of opinions of varying quality and sobriety, there has been some debate tonight about the pick-six thrown by Rudock; specifically, whether or not Grant Perry shares blame for the route he ran. CoverZero, for one, is adamant that Perry broke off his route and bears responsibility for the interception.
Since it appears that Perry ran the wrong route on the first interception and was the target on the overthrown second, this is an attractive idea, especially if one wants to protect Rudock's reputation. Perry is, after all, a freshman, and Rudock is not known for throwing interceptions.
Unfortunately, this interpretation does not fit the facts on the ground.
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It is third down and three yards to go. Perry, a yard in the backfield in the slot, is assigned a quick out (I'm not sure what the technical name is, but this is close enough). He takes four full-speed strides forward, makes one juke move, and breaks outside toward the sideline, looking for the ball. At no time does he "break off" his route. Perry is just past the line to gain--this is where he needs to be to get a first down if he catches the ball. This is clearly the route he has been designed to run; this is the route he runs.
Now, Perry's route isn't terrific. His juke is quick but not deceptive, and as he runs to the sideline he leaks slightly downfield rather than running straight. It's not terrible, but it is there and it does increase the defender's window.
Rudock is watching Perry the whole time; Perry appears to be the primary read in this play. He watches Perry juke. He sees Perry running toward the sideline. He winds up and throws after Perry has already begun to break. The throw is accurate--it is aimed right at where Perry's hands will be when the ball gets there, past the line to gain.
However, the problem is that Utah's Justin Thomas has blanketed the route. He is not at all thrown off by Perry's deke; he immediately breaks with the route, inside of the receiver. Unlike Perry, he is not constrained by the line to gain; he is free to run back toward the line of scrimmage. By the time Rudock's pass is in the air, Thomas is cutting in front of Perry, running at an angle toward the line of scrimmage, cutting off any chance Perry has of catching the pass. Ballgame.
Perry's route isn't perfect; he could have made the window smaller for Justin Thomas. However, the window was still there. The only way Perry could have prevented this interception would have been to alter his route in such a way that he was running perpendicular to Rudock's line of sight, at a 45 degree angle toward the line of scrimmage, retreating from the line to gain. That would have been stupid--the purpose of his route is to gain a first down.
Rudock should have never made the throw.
September 4th, 2015 at 5:01 AM ^
Perry will need to learn to use his body to shield the defender off.
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I was just trying to point out that it was not all Rudock's fault. One pick and the overthrows were on him *though the one in the endzone, Chesson slowed up a step check it out on the film...
Rudock certainly did not play all that well, but on that Pick 6, Perry rounds his route out and a is not in the position where he should be. Rudock threw the ball where Perry should have been. The DB made a nice play, but if Perry Squares that route out he makes that catch. It was a small window and maybe Rudock should have not thrown it but the play itself was more on Perrys shoulders for not running a good route than on the throw itself. He also blew the one in the first quarter as well which was much more obvious.
The play was also a result of a lack of timing on the QB and WR as well
The WRs played pretty well overall, except for Perrys mistakes. He blocked well on two bubble screens however. One drop by Darboh on that 3rd down...otherwise solid game by the Wideouts. Perry will get better.
September 4th, 2015 at 5:49 AM ^
Just a very dangerous route to lock on at that point in the ballgame, with the momentum on our side for the first time and the obvious consequences a real possibility.
September 4th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^
Harbaugh said only the second interception was Rudock's fault. I'll take his word for it. If you look at that collapsing pocket, Rudock did not have time to look for his second option, and that was true on almost every single third down throw. Utah brought good pressure, particularly on obvious passing downs, like all those third down passes. That's why Utah led the nation in sacks last year. Rudock was able to get rid of his throws, made a number of really good throws, was by and large very accurate except on the deep balls and (as far as I can remember) never got sacked.
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September 4th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^
Leading Perry would have prevented the pick. Perry ran a poor route. High school coaches would have been upset with his lack of precision. He needs to snap that route off at 90 degrees and head for the sideline at full speed. Speed out of the cut is what brings separation. Perry rounded the cut and jogged out of it. He almost seems to sit down out of the cut and then run to the sidelines.
It was an odd route for the for Perry to run. From where he is lined up, he had little room to move toward the sideline.
Rudock should have lead Perry. The worst part of the play was that Rudock threw behind the receiver. When quarterbacks take the Oath of Eric Hipple, they pledge not to harm thier own teams. Rudock broke the pledge. If Perry had run a crisp route, he would have been even nearer the sideline. A good throw is to the outside away from the corner. At worst, a throw further outside is an incompletion.
September 4th, 2015 at 10:08 AM ^
Throwing the ball inside on that route is a killer.
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September 4th, 2015 at 1:02 PM ^
I am simply suggesting that I believe giving Morris a series or two would have been reasonable. I don't think giving the QB who was in a fierce competition with Rudock some snaps is burning the boat, nor will I 'shove off' for having an opinion about giving Morris some snaps. I have seen Morris play, I know his background, I have watched his tape, and I have an opinion. Thanks
September 4th, 2015 at 9:24 AM ^
have hit the long routes..." What the hell have you seen from him to be that bold? I have never seen Shane complete anything other than a check down or simple 5 yard curl route...even those he overthrows 100 mph...Shane will not play unless there is an injury, even then, I don't know.
September 4th, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^
I understood from player reports and staff comments that Morris had an excellent camp; that there was fierce competition between Rudock and Morris. In fact, the roster release indicated an 'either/or' at QB. I'm not claiming Morris is better, necessarily, but I have seen tape of him making the throws that Rudock did not last night. I believe he has a higher ceiling than Rudock, and that with proper coaching and reps he would demonstrate as much.
When we give away three possessions to interceptions, add in the 6 points and the overthrown balls and lock on's, I don't believe it is unreasonable to want to see Morris for a series or two. In fact, I am certain numerous coaches may have tried the 2nd QB under similar circumstances to see if the dynamics change. I certainly trust Harbaugh and believe Rudock is a 'good' quarterback. I have also been led to believe that Morris and Rudock were in a dead heat, outside the few remarks from players that indicated Rudock was the starter in the couple weeks prior to Utah. If it is 'bold' to say these things, then I'm bold. Its just an opinion.
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Rudock had many critical errors. But I absolutely do not think Shane should've been put in. Besides the interceptions, he had a decent completion percentage (63%) and almost 300 yards, which isn't great, but not bad either. We need to give him a chance. If it still looks like this after the next two games, give Shane a chance vs BYU, otherwise, I still prefer Rudock.
I trust Harbaugh's QB judgement and so should you.
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Not gonna call the Utes overrated, but this game did swing on the QB play. Wilson outplayed Rudock substantially, and that was the difference.
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September 4th, 2015 at 8:59 AM ^
there is responsibility on both. Not a great route by Perry, I thought he could have prevented the int by first running a more crisp route and then shielding off defender once he felt he lost the route. However, Rudock shouldn't have thrown it. To me, it looked like a play they have ran a lot in practice, definitely a timing play in which Rudock knew he had to throw quickly. I think responsibilities fall on both...a nice read by the defender too. Both will learn from this.
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was from a guy watching the game with me. "Predetermined" the QB was going to throw that pass no matter what. No QB is perfect, and I have no intention of being unreasonably harsh, but that particular interception was on Rudock, because he should have thrown it to another of his options. If Rudock throws to Butt or Ty it doesn't matter if Perry protects the route better or not, but Jake never looked.
September 4th, 2015 at 9:46 AM ^
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September 4th, 2015 at 9:53 AM ^
This one is on Rudock. The stick out (the route) as you said, isn't perfect. Perry doesn't quite sell anything, he doesn't step on the defender's toes, he doesn't sell the slant and force the defender to jump inside, those are things that Perry needs to work on.
But Rudock never really sees the coverage either. If the WR doesn't run a good route (note: not an incorrect route, just not a good route), it's on the QB to identify the coverage and determine if they should make the throw. The defender is squatting on this thing from the snap, and he has inside leverage, so he is only trying to wall off the slant (not trying to trail it or fight over the top from outside leverage). Rudock needs to see that man coverage, understand how the defender will be impacted by the stick-out (hint: not much), and look elsewhere.
September 4th, 2015 at 9:57 AM ^
He looked better on that late TD drive, but the pick-six was a lock-on from the snap and a fatal play. We needed Ruddock to make about three plays to win that game. He did not make any of them.
September 4th, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^
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It was supposed to be a quick throw. Typically, on quick throw calls the QB is told to pick a side (pre-snap) and stay with it. Not there, throw it away.
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Can't see Rudock's eyes, so I have no reason to believe that he "stared down" Perry. More likely, he was looking long-to-short to the side he chose.
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Perry was running stick/whip/out route (whatever terminology Michigan is using). It is not a Speed Out.
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It looks to me like Rudock bounced twice after coming to balance- too much for an out into the boundary.
- Perry was slow getting into and out of the break so he didn't establish leverage on the DB, and was not able to get sufficient separation.
The last two points are what seemed to create the interception.
The good news is, they can be fixed.
Rudock did throw it low and away (where it should be), but yes, the DB made a great play.
September 4th, 2015 at 10:01 AM ^
Perry's route was awful and he let himself get undercut. Looked the part of a true frosh.
Ruddock's decision was bad since Perry was not open and throw was telegraphed. I think we all knew it was a pick even before he threw it. Ruddock also looked like a freshman on the play. That is what is so concerning.
September 4th, 2015 at 10:04 AM ^
Rudock should've put it further outside and Perry should've came back to the ball harder.
Edit: Great minds think alike Fann.
September 4th, 2015 at 10:14 AM ^
"Perry should've came back to the ball harder."
Not sure if he could have done enough to catch it or break up the interception, but this has been a problem for UM receivers in recent memory- not aggressive enough in catching or protecting the ball. They resign themselves to thinking the throw is what it is, and maybe what they will do if they catch it, and not fighting and snatching the ball. Jake Butt being an obvious exception.
September 4th, 2015 at 10:45 AM ^
I didn't like his route running in this game, but I have to say, I do like the aggression he showed on several plays blocking, etc.
It seems like Rudock has a lot of confidence in him- perhaps they worked together a lot over the summer?
September 4th, 2015 at 11:20 AM ^
I said this in the offense snowflake thread and I'll say it again: It is going to take time for the offense to gel. Rudock has new teammates to acclimate to and his teammates are in there third offensive system. What is good news is that the game plan was coherent, they do have athletes to take the top off of a defense, they played hard throughout the game and I was encouraged by how they finished. If they can get the run game going they have a chance to be very good as soon as this year. I expect to see improvement and development every week. In the past losses were more discouraging at first because of coherence and later because of effort, but while this loss sucked it was easy to find positives.
September 4th, 2015 at 11:55 AM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 1:03 AM ^
Shane. Unless he wants to save the eligibility he will play this season. This would have been the wrong time to just make a change. Shane has not shown anything in a game. He doesn't need to come in as option B due to the other guy not being perfect. That would have been a recipe to a 34-10 loss. That would have looked like last year.
Rudock needs to get comfortable. The line needs to make some holes for backs. Get Shane some reps with no heavy pressure, unless you have to.
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