Jaysin1414

January 7th, 2015 at 10:07 AM ^

I imagine it has to be Oregon. While they may be good, they're nothing compared to what he's going to face from the Ravens, Seahawks, Lions, or even the Bucs. There's little chance this guy's speed is going to do him a lick of good when the Defensive linemen of the NFL are as fast as the receivers he's used to dealing with. He doesn't show the type of pinpoint accuracy or pocket presence required to be successful at the next level.

That being said, I don't think another year of college would help him at all, it'd probably make things worth with his off-field issues. He's probably making the best decision he's made in years to get paid now before the league realizes that he's probably more drama than dreamy.

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Chitown Kev

January 7th, 2015 at 10:51 AM ^

He doesn't show the type of pinpoint accuracy or pocket presence required to be successful at the next level.

During the 2014 season, no, Winston was an interception machine but against Oregon (leaving the Charlie Brown play aside) he showed plenty of that. It's not his fault that his receivers couldn't hold on to the ball.

 

And even on the hilarious Charile Brown/fumble play, he was in the pocket for...what, 3 or 4 seconds? All of his receivers was covered and...well, Fran Tarkenton, he's not.

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WMUKirk

January 7th, 2015 at 11:00 AM ^

He hardly ever scrambles or runs. He's more of a Big Ben of a QB than a Cam
Newton. If anything, the Oregon game showed pin point accuracy. His team fumbled 4 times, and one of his interceptions was a completed throw on 3rd and long that his WR dropped. He worked almost completely out of an NFL Route Tree and NFL offense. Making pre-snap reads and adjustments. He may be the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck.



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OccaM

January 7th, 2015 at 12:26 PM ^

Completely agree. If you don't see Winston's potential as a pocket passer in the NFL, idk what to tell you. Off the field issues will derail him, but I think he finally got a clue. Winston will go first in the draft. Mariota will prolly go top 10. There's a stigma against Oregon QBs and very few teams can utilize him to his full potential except the Eagles. 

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NorthSideBlueFan

January 7th, 2015 at 10:10 AM ^

Defend themselves and Winston in this new era of the P.C. NFL.

Dude is a bad egg, and I feel bad saying that about a young kid, but all the warning signs are in glowing fluorescent letters about him and I have yet to read/hear/see anything to show that is not the case.

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PIJER

January 7th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

I think he is in for a rude awakening! Teams are likely to shy away from him because of his perceived lack of maturity. Johnny football's has been paving the way for teams to start considering maturity even more!

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mgoblue0970

January 7th, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^

Johnny football is hardly paving the way... Teams will always take a chance on a knucklehead at the chance for a 'W'. After Jameis, there will be another douchebag some team mortgages the draft on to select. That player will fizzle out too. Will the NFL learn its lesson? No. There will be another docuhebag and then another and then another... The list of Johnny Manziels before Johnny Manziel was Johnny Manziel is long.

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DJ Durkin

January 7th, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^

I actually think Winston will end up being a good pro. He reminds me a lot of Dante Culpepper. Without a doubt, he will have a lot better pro career than Mariotta.

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DonAZ

January 7th, 2015 at 11:10 AM ^

Winston has the physical attributes to be great.  He lacks the head.

He might develop the head.  I doubt it.  But he might.

Mariotta reminds me a little of Russell Wilson -- lacking the physical checkboxes people cite as the "perfect NFL QB" ... but with a damn good head on his shoulders.

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Timnotep

January 7th, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^

than Dixon, Thomas, or Masoli; Dixon had a good completion percentage but never threw for more than 2,200yds, Masoli was 5'11'', never threw for better than 58% or 2,200yds.

Thomas has the most comparable season in 2011 (62.2% completion, 2,761yds 33:7 TD:INT), and even that is dwarfed by Mariota's stats each year;

2012: 68.5%, 2,677yds, 32:6 TD:INT

2013: 63.5%, 3,665yds, 31:4

2014*: 68.6%, 4,121yds, 40:3

*and counting since they're in the National Title game on monday

That's just in the passing game; Mariota has rushed for over 700yds every year, none of the other typical Oregon QBs even hit 600yds except Masoli who was basically a glorified HB.

2012: 731yds, 5.8avg, 15TDs

2013: 715yds, 7.4avg, 9TDs

2014: 752yds, 7.1avg, 5TDs

Mariota has the smarts to make it in the NFL, He's a Russell Wilson type, only bigger (Wilson is 5'11, Mariota is 6'4'' and about 10lbs heavier right now).

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DJ Durkin

January 7th, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^

The thing is, QB stats in that Oregon system mean nothing in relation to whether he can play in the NFL. He doesn't have anywhere near the arm strength of Russell Wilson, and hasn't played in the pro system Wilson did in college. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league within two years(especially with the new pay scale).

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Timnotep

January 7th, 2015 at 1:47 PM ^

Wilson played one year in a pro system. Mariota has a great arm, sure it's not the cannon Kaepernick has as the knock on Mariota is his deep ball accuracy, but he's far and away the most intelligent QB in this draft as well as the more athletic of the two QBs (Winston and Mariota).

As far as the system goes, most NFL teams run variants of the West Coast offense, a system not entirely dissimilar from the up tempo spread offense at Oregon. Most of the throws he'd make wouldn't be 30 yard fade routes, in fact that just doesnt happen all that often anyway.

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DJ Durkin

January 7th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

The thing is, QB stats in that Oregon system mean nothing in relation to whether he can play in the NFL. He doesn't have anywhere near the arm strength of Russell Wilson, and hasn't played in the pro system Wilson did in college. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league within two years(especially with the new pay scale).

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Perkis-Size Me

January 7th, 2015 at 10:22 AM ^

Really hope the kid can get his head on straight. He's got a lot of talent and can be very good pick-up for some team in dire need of a QB, like my Bucs. He just needs a good group of veterans and role models to help him keep his ass in line, out of the media, and remind him of what he could lose.

Everyone is just waiting for him to make a mistake.

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MichiganStudent

January 7th, 2015 at 10:24 AM ^

He's going to get drafted high and I think the team that drafts him will be kicking themselves in the years after.

He's an immature and delusional person. His comments after losing to Oregon blew my mind. The guy is a walking disaster and PR nightmare.

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WMUKirk

January 7th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^

70% of his team walked off the field before they lost he was one of the few players to shake their hands. And his comments came after Oregon chanted "No Means No." I understand the bias against him but some arguments hold no water.



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McSomething

January 7th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

Right, Oregon had absolutely nothing to do with forcing any of those turnovers. All season long it was being said that FSU was gonna pay for their constant mistakes as soon as they played a good team. The teams FSU played in the regular season were not all that good, and couldn't take advantage of the poor play. Oregon was good enough, and burried them when it mattered.

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McSomething

January 7th, 2015 at 1:29 PM ^

Good teams don't constantly shoot themselves in the foot. And you're still ignoring the defense's involvement in those turnovers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Winston also rushed on that pick? Receiver still should've had it, but there's always a cause and effect with things like this. Plus weren't both Cook fumbles forced? The Winston fumble, while not forced by contact, was a case of his team being down big, trying to force a play, under considerable pressure, and completely shitting himself on the field.

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