Let’s talk about our recruiting

Probably a reflection of Michigan rarely winning the big games. The best recruits want to see that happen, so its understandable(reminder of Zach Harrison saying "I don't want to lose to OSU for 4 seasons"). That being said.....Michigan is likely to advance to beat Maryland and continue this excellent season, and I'm surprised we haven't seen more high level recruits.

Also, this is the kind of thread that should be ongoing like Eleven Warriors does(my apologies for referencing them). I love the idea of a continual recruiting thread.

I think they need to show recruits that they are capable of winning the conference.

While I can agree this class has room for improvement, I do think we can close out with a few targets that will really bolster our class. 

Domani is the big target, but I'm already expecting Alabama to take him. We need to land Conerly and Deone Walker. Amorion Walker and Kaleb Webb would be nice pieces to round out our class. Seems like Josephs is out of the picture, and M'ba is no longer a target. I'm sure we will end up having a decommitment or 2, but I'm hoping more targets like Jimmy Rolder pop up out of nowhere and we get them.

 As for 2023, its Dante Moore. We NEED Dante Moore

“Nope, I will not visit Michigan (anymore),” M’ba said.

Beat Ohio state and the recruiting will improve. lose and once again you look like a joke. Its not a coincidence that the top programs in recruiting are the ones that are doing well on the field. Selling the program to a kid based on a promise wont work forever. You have to show results on the field against the team you are recruiting against. We do not recruit elite players against UW or NW or IU or illinois. We recruit against penn state ohio state and unfortunately it looks like michigan state again. To get those players more times then them you have to beat them

As a parent of a high school senior football player in Wisconsin's largest school division, I can confirm that COVID has severely impacted recruiting.   We have multiple all-state caliber players on our team who are finally being evaluated and contacted by D1 schools.   My son is not a B1G caliber recruit, but I keep telling him to keep sending his film to college coaches and recruiting coordinators because the normal recruiting cycle has been knocked off its axis.    Opportunities exist for hidden gems in this class, probably more so than previous years.

I dont think this was part of the coaching strategy but.....with MAJOR instability at LSU, USC, PSU, WSU not to mention hot seats like Florida, Nebraska, even Miami....there will be alot of recruits backing out of commitments and players on teams that are tired of losing will be hitting the transfer portal. So...there is still time to put together a better class. Get out the snake oil!

Good news is we have great local talent at the QB position for 2023 and 2024. Dante Moore and CJ Carr. When a QB from Michigan is as high as Moore is, it’s crucial to land him.

The one constant with Harbaugh is an absolute lack of identity.

The school brand will always bring in good talent, however JH doesn't  bring that consistent master CEO coaching resume to the table.

Personality-wise, he's not a draw, hopefully the new staff will hit moving forward.

Just hard to be too optimistic with the staff turnover in 7 seasons.

Saban can rotate entire staffs, JH?

With the transfer portal, who knows what we'll add to the roster in the coming months. Schools are recruiting kids through back channels before they hit the portal. CMU had a freshman RB break 2000 yards this week. I'm sure that someone with Sparty ties will soon put a bug in his ear about transferring to MSU to be the next KWIII. Will we jump into the murky waters of the portal and get ahead of the competition?

Ignoring this prompt and just giving my own thoughts. Good seasons like this one usually yield recruiting results the following year, not the year of the good season. Maybe a recruit or two flip on this year's result but most recruiting is done by season's start.

I also think it is going to be more of a crap shoot this year and if any year stars are going to be wrong it's this one because Covid nuked over a year of development and scouting in a lot of places.

It's kinda hard to sell the future when your coach is in year 7. 

There's a good chance this class adds some more highly ranked guys going forward. Josh Conerly in particular looks good for Michigan. They're definitely going to add several guys regardless, since this is one of the smallest top 20 classes at the moment.

That said, it may not end up as a top ten class. I'd be fine with that since it's clear guys like Mason Graham and Kevonte Henry are strongly liked by what is by far the best scouting service (247), while being held down in the composite by other services. And the staff believes Damani Dent is a top-250 type player, and I'm inclined to think he's closer to that than to his current non-ranking, given that we weren't the only power program with a high opinion of him and he's a classic case of a kid who didn't promote himself until recently.

Right now, it seems like the "revamped recruiting" approach has meant doing much more rigorous evals of everyone nationally and trusting what the staff concludes about their own board over focusing on guys with good rankings who are convenient. Will that pan out? Impossible to say until at least a couple years from now.

What I do know is that, during the Harbaugh Era in general, Michigan has done an exceptional job unearthing high-upside guys a little further down the rankings. For instance: Ojabo, Haskins, Zinter, All, Anthony, Bell, to stick solely with those who are on the team currently. None of those guys were top-250 recruits, but they've all either reached that level of play or appear to be on track to do so. So I feel OK about the current strategy, with the caveat that I also would like to grab a few more top-100 guys each cycle. 

Its a weird year to evaluate for a lot of reasons. If this is the type of class we have going forward its not good enough. If this is a weird covid year impacting scouting combined with a lot of staff turnover coming off a bad year and they are back in the top 8 next year its fine

I feel like this is a product of where the program is. If Michigan wants elite recruits they've got to start winning or start paying for recruits. It's crazy that Michigan has put so many players into the league(and for some odd reason doesn't seem to get as much credit as others for that) and hasn't seen an uptick in recruiting to said success but might correlate to what I said previously, Michigan has to start winning games.

What still has not been fully recovered is the absolute devastation to the footprint recruiting done by the asinine arrogance of Rich Rodriguez.  Harbaugh's first staff was really making a dent, but look at the bevy of four stars from Pennsylvania, Ohio, even Michigan, at the heart of the PSU and ND recruiting classes. UM has to consistently land an ample share of those players. 

Hopefully some staff consistency can turn it around for the long run and, perhaps, a robust coaching carousel this season can swing a few key recruits back UMs way before all is done. 

Hassan Haskins, Ronnie Bell, and David Ojabo are players that far exceeded their rankings. Michigan will find players like that in this class.

Due to Covid ranking services have yet to catch up to pre Covid work. This will effect more 3-4 stars than 5 star types in the accuracy of their evaluations.

We do need to close on some O-Lineman.

You expected the new coaches, hired this off season, to already have better recruiting established? In less than one season? Not how it works, man. You've been here long enough, you should know this. 

I don't know why this is getting negged.  Some people don't have any tolerance for criticism.  The post is not overtly negative.  The criticism is warranted as is the idea that we expected a recruiting bump from the new coaches that has not come to fruition yet.  Many times recruiting is about relationships that take place over time so I don't always expect an immediate uptick.  Hopefully we'll see better results for next years class and/or some late flips after the holidays or a big signing day.  Time will tell, but I think this criticism is warranted and somewhat surprising given the coaching additions and success the team has seen on the field.  Hopefully we can find this classes Hutch & Haskins who were a part of JH's next lowest class in 2018.

This year if we close on Domani Jackson, Josh Conerly, Kalb Webb and Amorion Walker we can finish in the top ten.  In 2023 Nyckoles Harbor and Dante Moore are the two must gets.

How many stars did Corum have? How many did Haskins have? How many did Charbonet have? Who is on the team still? 

Stars matter if its 5. Coaching and scouting and scheme fit matter a lot more if it's 4 down.