Is it Time to have the Schlissel Discussion? (Beyond Football)

Submitted by Piston Blue on September 9th, 2020 at 11:32 AM

Seems like the University is a bit of a mess right now. Multiple student/outside labor groups have been voicing their displeasure in the administration's planning/preparation for a return to courses this fall vis-a-vis the new COVID-19 environment. A few of note:

RAs are striking

GSIs and some construction workers are striking

Personally, I understand and am all for increased measures to focus on campus safety (shift to hybrid/online classes and *ugh* no football) in an attempt to keep the University as academically viable as possible, but to justify those measures you need to display competency and preparedness. Based on everything that I've read, the administration is really struggling with this, to the point that I've read rumors that the Faculty Senate are pondering a vote of 'no confidence' in Schlissel.

I'm not in the 'we must have football' camp, but it's a bit disappointing that a large reason why it seems we're sacrificing even an opportunity to make that happen is to create a watered-down academic environment that will likely go kaput in a few weeks/months anyway.

Have to say, of all schools' COVID response up to this point, in my opinion MSU has been one of the absolute best because they chose to just bite the bullet.

Blue@LSU

September 9th, 2020 at 1:03 PM ^

I don't know where you are getting your data, but the numbers for LSU are not correct. From 8/25-9/6, there were 544 reported cases (per the LSU dashboard). 

I also don't know where you are getting the data on hospitalizations. These are not reported on the dashboard, so how do you know it is zero?

It would also be nice to see a source for the claim that "the FLU killed 16 times more people in August than COVID". Googled but couldn't find it. 

DonAZ

September 9th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^

I'm not certain the information on that chart is wrong, however.  The CDC link I provided has a hospitalization rate of 1.2 per 100,000 for the college age range as of August 31.  At 50,000 cases the expected hospitalizations would be 0.6.  I'm not saying the chart is 100% correct, but I am saying the CDC information suggests it's quite possible.

Blue@LSU

September 9th, 2020 at 2:29 PM ^

I think the bigger problem is the claim that the flu killed 16 times more people than Covid in August.

But, for the chart, if hospitalizations are not reported on the university's dashboard, it does make me wonder how they are finding these data.

mGrowOld

September 9th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the good people of Ohio definitely want Shlissel out.  For good or bad he is being painted as the undisputed leader of the "no football" B1G President's club and again, for good or bad, it is thought down here his motivation for the closure is not really player safety (because Michigan is conducting in-person classes) but rather:

1. Political

2. To avoid Michigan getting curb-stomped by OSU yet again

 

trustBlue

September 9th, 2020 at 12:32 PM ^

This feels like a situation where people are complaing about the response to problem, when what they are really mad about is the problem itself.

Covid sucks. For everybody. There are no "good" options here - only bad options and worse options. But right or wrong, mad people are going to look for somebody blame.

BursleyHall82

September 9th, 2020 at 12:32 PM ^

I have lost all faith in him as a leader. The campus is in crisis for all the reasons you mentioned, and all he does publicly is post happy videos of himself on Twitter telling people to wear a mask.

The people who defend him seem only to point to the fact that he's exceedingly smart and that we just need to trust him.

He's just as poor a fit for Michigan as RichRod was.

Perkis-Size Me

September 9th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^

I don't know enough to say with any certainty that Michigan is doing better than any other university in America, but this whole situation has definitely made me consider the question of the value of a four year degree if its all going online to begin with. Especially a Michigan degree.

I've got about 17 years before I have to worry about stroking a college tuition check for any one of my children, but I know if my kids were going to college right now, I'd be hard-pressed to drop 50K for one year of out of state tuition for an online education that is probably comparable to what they'd get down the road at Georgia State (we live in Atlanta) for 10-20% of the cost. I know that would be extremely hard to tell my kids, as I don't want them to have to settle on a school, but dropping 200k for a four year degree even in normal times is difficult to think about. Even with us contributing to a 529 every month. And we plan on having more than one kid. What the hell is tuition going to be in 17-18 years? Barring a dramatic shift in this country's thinking on education, tuition is only going to go up. 

I think you're going to see a big rise/return to trade or vocational schools in the coming years. Too many kids coming out of school racked with debt, with degrees that don't teach them any real-world applicable skills or anything that they'll actually need "on the job." Go to trade school to be an electrician, or be in IT, you're done in 1-2 years, minimal student debt (if any) that can be paid off in a few years, you learn real world skills that are directly translatable to the job, and you're making good money a few years out of school. 

UMxWolverines

September 9th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^

Out of state tuition is the biggest scam I have ever seen. Why would you pay 2x the cost or more to cross state lines? Also from experience where your degree comes from is basically worthless after your first real job anyway. What matters is your personal ambition and willingness to put in more than just the bare minimal effort, which the majority of the population doesn't do. 

Perkis-Size Me

September 9th, 2020 at 1:40 PM ^

I know a handful of guys I went to high school with who went to "lesser" universities than Michigan, and are now far more successful in their careers (financially speaking) than I am. A lot of it depends too on what you study. Did you go into a field like finance, civil engineering, nuclear engineering, or some other field that pays you handsomely? Or did you go get a liberal arts degree that, in many cases, will cause you to struggle in finding a job more than, say, someone with a BBA degree would have? 

I think something like a History degree from Michigan is (from a "what will help me get a good job and earn a good living right out of the gate" standpoint) far less valuable than, say, a Civil Engineering degree from Florida State. Unless you plan on taking that history degree and leveraging it into getting into a great law school.

In my experience, unless you're talking about someone who went to Harvard, Stanford, MIT, or somewhere comparable to those three, where you went to school is far less important than what you actually studied. 

SFBlue

September 9th, 2020 at 12:58 PM ^

I think Schliss is great, and Michigan is lucky to have him. He's the best we've had since Bollinger. Communication around COVID-19 decisions within the University (including with respect to the football team) has been poor. That's not entirely on him though. 

 

BrokePhD

September 9th, 2020 at 1:28 PM ^

I lost all respect for Schlissel after it was revealed that he knew about earlier sexual misconduct allegations against Provost Philbert but decided not to act on them. There's really no excuse for such a cover-up. Surprised he hasn't resigned or been forced out yet.

#schlisselknew

jmblue

September 9th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^

GSIs seem to go on strike every couple of years, but RAs striking seems like a new thing.  To what extent Schlissel is responsible for that, I don't know, but I really don't see him getting out in front of these issues, as a university president probably should.

He also has his head football coach leading protests and telling reporters that Schlissel hasn't communicated with him once since the pandemic started, not even by text.  (Say what you want about Jim Harbaugh, but most agree that he's a pretty honest guy.  I don't think he'd make that up.)  Where is our university president?   

This is a man whose job consists to a substantial degree of getting in front of crowds and convincing them to give us money.  Where is that Schlissel now?  

Even if you agree with what he is doing (or is allegedly doing) . . . don't you think it would be a good idea for him to be a public presence right now?  

I get the sense that, like the man he fired (Dave Brandon), Schlissel fooled us at the outset with his "pimp hand."

BornInA2

September 9th, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^

He promoted an accused sex offender and claimed to not know about the issues. Either he lied or did very poor background checking.

He made a dumber decision than MSU did. That's, I mean, come on.

And this, which I've not seen posted here before, but I could easily have missed.

https://www.michigandaily.com/section/opinion/op-ed-university%E2%80%99s-summer-lies

Anyone who claims that playing football and opening colleges for in-person instruction isn't about putting money first is lying to themselves or others, or both.

James Burrill Angell

September 9th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^

It's time to pull the plug on Schlissel.

This guy comes from a series of Ivy League schools and just isn't prepared for some of the issues related to a Big Ten school and I state this even before Covid and Covid related cancellation of sports and Covid related issues with the Grad student union (none of which were handled well). He's run into trouble on a lot of issues with various segments of the student body already and he has to be called to task on the hiring (or failed hiring) of Provost Martin Philbert despite several already documented accusations of sexual malfeasance.  He's in over his head and should return to a smaller school.  

Now the faculty was preparing a no-confidence vote against Schlissel's administration.  Things are pretty screwed up and the Regents are going to be hesitant to act because most of them handpicked Schlissel.

kyeblue

September 9th, 2020 at 3:08 PM ^

He is in a difficult position, but trying to please everyone will end up pissing off everyone. He should make his mind what is more important, faculty/staff or students/alum.  

MRunner73

September 9th, 2020 at 4:29 PM ^

Things are coming apart at the seams for Schlissel. He's got many fires to put out, not just the lack of communication with Warde and Harbaugh. There are the strikes going on so I imagine the Regents have some serious thinking to do in the near future.

I don't feel sorry for Schlissel.