Notre Dame reports 29 Covid cases 1 week into school
Notre dame did pre matriculation testing to isolate all cases before returning to campus
Unsurprisingly, this method didn’t work and now 29 cases have been spreading Covid through campus for the past week.
UofM is following a similar approach, so I thought it was relevant to post here
August 14th, 2020 at 4:11 PM ^
It’s how you interpret data and downplay the human life behind that data—and how you ignore that the outcomes aren’t binary (live or die) but complex and not all known. You willfully ignore how recovered cases have been developing longterm effects. It’s how you ignore that, with all of the unknowns and the possible organ damage, lowering cases will mean more healthy futures.
How you position the data illustrates your humanity and your politics, with many that goes hand in hand. You are not objective like a scientist when you conclude with partial data and scoff at other interpretations. You’re just a myopic ass.
August 14th, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
I'm afraid to jump into this hornet's nest. Here goes. Assuming eventually we will be able to quantify the risks of organ failure, death, long term issues etc. What numbers would be acceptable risk in your mind? The politics surrounding this come out on both sides of the fence from where I'm standing.
August 14th, 2020 at 7:59 PM ^
Please don’t bring politics into it. I have ‘left wing’ friends who think the same way. This is a difference between people who understand what the disease can do vs. ones that that don’t/won’t accept what it can do.
August 14th, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^
I guess I'm one of those people. Does anyone actually know how dangerous this disease is to people in the 18 - 25 bracket? That would mean a lot to me. If the odds are .01% my kid has a bad outcome (death, heart disease, joint issues, etc.), I'm letting him go. If it is 4% he is going to have heart disease after contracting it, then it's a no. If we just don't have a clue, I guess I'll just go with the prevailing advice of those in charge.
The political polarization surrounding this issue is amazing to me. Probability of long term negative effects should be important when deciding whether to close things down to avoid the improbable negative effects. Right? Am I just a right wing nazi wacko to think that? Am I a bad liberal if I believe that? This is all crazy as hell.
If we just don't know, then I guess caution is the better part of valor.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:35 PM ^
What relevance is the survival rate of the people tested? We're testing a ton of people that in all likelihood are not positive (as we should!), which artificially raises this stat. It says absolutely nothing about the survival rate of students if in-person university classes causes a large outbreak.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:22 PM ^
Lol. Not what I was getting at. You simply don’t know.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:17 PM ^
nope
August 14th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^
yes, more than they can handle, esp since none have any symptoms, can't be too careful.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^
I thought this hoax was overblown and it was all a fake news media show? Maybe the Marion County (FL) sheriff needs to be brought in to help out?
August 14th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^
The presence of cases alone doesn’t prove/disprove if Covid is real. We know that. Anyone still debating that point is wasting brainpower.
Let’s see instead how we can respond to this small set of cases in ways other than “shut it all down”.
Edit: wow I whiffed. see my comments below for clarification. Thanks for calling out my poorly articulated 1st paragraph.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^
"The presence of cases alone doesn’t prove/disprove if Covid is real"
That's the dumbest shit I've read all week. Congrats.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^
Fair, my intent was to say that we know this isn’t a hoax and it’s real. The fact that there are new cases doesn’t change that point which been now well established. The idea that this is a hoax has sailed a long time ago anyone still claiming that is wasting brainpower.
1VABlue seemed to be jabbing at that idea which I pushed back on
You got me, is this better?
August 14th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
Jesus Christ dude. Does it hurt?
August 14th, 2020 at 1:25 PM ^
What the fuck are you talking about. The existence of covid cases, by definition, proves that covid is real. If it wasn’t real, there wouldn’t be any cases.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:29 PM ^
Yeah I very poorly worded my thought.
My point was/is by now we know it’s real. The fact that there are new cases doesn’t add/subtract anything to the “hoax” view. That ship has sailed. It’s real, it’s not a hoax.
Thanks for calling me out.
August 14th, 2020 at 4:32 PM ^
"it’s not a hoax."
I heard 9/11 happened for real, too.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:03 PM ^
Yet they (along with the SEC, ACC and B12) still want to play football. The dashboard is pretty transparent though.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:06 PM ^
THWND.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
Surely there's a distinction between the school and it's students (at least regarding health). Kind of like there's a difference between saying screw the CCP as opposed to the Chinese in general.
August 14th, 2020 at 3:58 PM ^
None of those kids are getting really sick man. They “tested positive,” most positives are asymptomatic. It isn’t Ebola dude.
THWND.
August 14th, 2020 at 8:17 PM ^
The virus so scary nearly half the time people don't even know they have it
August 15th, 2020 at 10:03 AM ^
You're right. It definitely isn't Ebola. Ebola killed like two people here.
How do you even tie your shoes, man? You wear velcro shoes, don't you?
August 14th, 2020 at 1:07 PM ^
But they were 99.7% negative before coming back! I thought we were saved!
August 14th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^
Weirdly, 29 cases, 8,624 students does equate to .3%
August 14th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
I blame Pitbull.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
A catholic school is having problems with COVID? That’s weird, I was sure they’d have...Nun...
August 14th, 2020 at 1:24 PM ^
I thought they would just pray the Covid away...
August 14th, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^
”Antiretroviral Jesus” apparently isn’t a thing...
August 14th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^
I can’t speak for ND but I’m sure praying COVID away is a pre-req course at Liberty......
August 14th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^
Stop confusing us with southern evangelicals because you’re sorely mistaken if you think all branches of Christianity are treating this the same.
Everyone is required to wear masks at my parish for the best of the older parishioners. And guess what? Everyone does.
What we do pray for is for the eradication of this virus, for those working on a solution to find what they need to get it done and pray for all who have lost loved ones and their families. And to heal this torn apart country.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^
So you're only half dumb? Pray from home.
Saw a poll last week, 2/3 of churchgoers think its safe to go back to church. Fucking idiots.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:40 PM ^
What an angry, little man you must be. Yikes.
August 15th, 2020 at 12:00 AM ^
"What we do pray for is for the eradication of this virus..."
So you're praying the Covid away.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
Who would've thought such a thing could happen?!
August 14th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^
How many are hospitalized? Any in ICU?
August 14th, 2020 at 1:24 PM ^
Love the down votes. It's a question. That's what is going wrong in
American society, you can't ask a question without being shouted down. When I went to M we were asked to think critically, a lot has changed in 18 years.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^
Well, we know sheep can down vote.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:40 PM ^
lol calling people sheep while peddling the same debunked talking points again and again. Ironic
August 14th, 2020 at 1:38 PM ^
No one is going to engage with you because we all know how this shit goes with you attempting to delegitimize the severity of the virus
August 14th, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^
Severe = 99.96% survival rate? Wow.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^
167,000 people dead and no end in sight. Fuck your nihilistic worldview.
August 14th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
Yes, severe. We're likely looking at 250k dead Americans, by November. Yeah dude, that's pretty severe. Also, your "99.96% survival rate"... you might want to check your math.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^
Very few young people who catch COVID are seriously ill. Quite a few older people who catch it become seriously ill. These two points aren't in contradiction.
Here are the numbers for Washtenaw County. 22% of COVID cases in the county have been people under the age of 25, but they have comprised just 1% of hospital patients and 0% of deaths.
This is at the crux of the dilemma for society. How do we keep our society functional while protecting those most at risk? There are tradeoffs to be made.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:25 PM ^
Except it's becoming apparent that young people are linked to the continued spread of COVID not only in the USA, but across the world. They are driving the second wave in Europe. Why? Because they aren't practicing social distancing and asymptomatic carriers are putting everyone at risk.
And then there's this...
August 14th, 2020 at 7:41 PM ^
It's about them spreading it, much more than it is them dying from it. You have to know this. Come on.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:05 PM ^
You're right. It's probably way higher than 99.96% because there are certainly tens of thousands more COVID positives out there that haven't been tested and will ever know that they were positive.
Again, I agree it is very serious for those that are identified as at risk.
250K dead by November? In the time that COVID was the recorded cause of death for 141,675, Heart Disease killed 328,266 (Feb 1 - June 27). The government should probably shut down the fast food industry.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
Jesus. Again, check your math. For rough numbers; say we have currently 5million infected, and 165,000 dead. What's the survival rate?
edit: still waiting on that math?
August 14th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
Heart disease is 1) in many cases, genetic and 2) not contagious.
You're deliberately ignoring the fact that covid is highly infectious and can be easily transmitted from person to person.
A buddy of mine (hearty, healthy athletic dude) had it and for a period of time thought he was going to die. He didn't go to the hospital because his mother, a nurse, brought home some IVs, which was a blessing for him; going to the hospital in NY at that time was extremely dangerous.
Deaths are one thing but you're also ignoring long term effects and the fact that every batch of new cases likely will result in more deaths and ICU visits. We should do what we can to prevent that. And we shouldn't respond to new cases by reciting the low death rate.
August 14th, 2020 at 2:34 PM ^
If you take 167,000 (confirmed deaths) and divide by 5,260,000 (confirmed cases), you get 3.2% deaths. The only way you get .3% is if you don’t multiply by 100 because you don’t know how percentages work.
August 14th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^
That's what I was getting at. He did the same thing in two different posts, for two different figures, so I'm assuming he didn't slide the decimal. Kind of important, that.