Start blaming the Ivy League now [OP EDITED]
Ivy League’s impending decision could be a ‘big domino’ for college football
By Bruce Feldman and Nicole Auerbach
Jul 6, 2020
An impending choice by a conference that plays in the Football Championship Subdivision could have an impact that stretches across college football.
College athletics is bracing for the Ivy League’s decision regarding fall sports in the face of the COVID-19 pandemic, an announcement that is expected to come down on Wednesday. Multiple football coaches in the Ivy League told The Athletic over the weekend that they expect Wednesday’s announcement to be that the league is moving all fall sports, including football, to spring 2021. The coaches spoke on the condition of anonymity because the conference has not announced its final decision.
“In order to have an effective season without hiccups, time is the answer,” one Ivy League coach told The Athletic. “If we play in the spring, it won’t bother me.”
(Edit: I just finished removing the remainder of the article. For obvious legal reasons, please DO NOT copy and paste entire articles, whether or not they are paywalled)
You can also blame the protesters and rioters as well. Look like there was a big protest in Brooklyn Today with no social distancing and very few masks.
[facepalm]
...and with that, on to do some serious editing of the OP.
Ripping an entire athletic article.
No bueno..
Did Chris Vannini help you stay awake while you typed this very thorough and in depth domino theory that I haven't heard since 1967.
I don’t understand what moving it to the Spring of 2021 would benefit. What will have changed by the Spring? All possible treatments are immediately and widely rejected as again the narrative of doom and there won’t be a widely available vaccine by then, so..... why? We had 0 deaths in Michigan yesterday. 0. Difficult to improve on that substantially. Have the season or don’t, but moving it to the Spring doesn’t do anything.
For all the fear porn the last two weeks about spikes, our deaths in the us today were half of last Tuesday. I'm assuming some will lag because of the holiday, but if there's not 800 deaths in any of the next three days, that Texas/Cali/Arizona/Florida fear boner looks flaccid AF. What do cases mean if no one is dying?
They clearly mean doom.
I agree, it may be more of the young getting sick but they are still spreading this disease and it will spread through colleges and college football teams. I think the season will not happen this year.
First, there is always a lag between infection to hospitalization and hospitalization to deaths. Second, while the treatments are getting better and the death rate is going down, that won't mean a thing if the hospital capacity is reached and patients cannot be treated properly.
There are thousands of people in ICU right now struggling with every breath. Just because they may ultimately survive does not lessen the fact that they are all dancing with death.
And the worst thing is if everyone just observed social distancing and wore masks, we would be coming out of the pandemic like every other first world countries are doing right now. We only have our stupidity to blame for all this.
That was very dramatically written, but even in normal times the ICU should have patients (at least 90% of their capacity), or else we wouldn't have those units. Field hospitals across the country barely got touched.
Here's today's graphic from tx medical center.
They're Operating at normal staffing levels, each nurse is just getting their fair share of patients. They can even call on extra staff for 400 more patients if necessary. I'm sure it's a tough job all the time as the husband of a nursing manager, but let's not act like it's unique to covid for ICUs to be full ish. That doesn't mean they're at the brink of collapse, or else the gray area would be a lot smaller. Lastly, these are covid positive patients that include asymptomatic patients. Not everyone who tests positive is on a vent.
That is bullshit. The virus was spreading nearly out of control in Michigan and NY before masks were even recommended by the CDC and WHO. People want to shame about masks, that is what it boils down to. Chances are we would be in a different place completely if people would not have protested, but that is not an accepted thought to have.
Anyway, people in Michigan did the right thing, pretty hard lockdown, largely responsible protests, and now our daily deaths are at 0 so if college football is going to happen ever it would seem that now or soon would be the time.
I completely agree with you that the spring isn't going to be a better time, especially in the Big Ten.
But he's correct that there's a substantial lag in deaths from the time cases start spiking. And deaths are already going up in southern states like Florida, Texas and Arizona. They'll keep going up. for a few more weeks.
And wait, are you suggesting that Michigan (and Minneapolis and Seattle and New York and places where there were massive protests but no current spike in cases) protested more responsibly than those in southern states and that's why the Midwest and Northeast are not experiencing spikes?
Because that's bullshit. Just think about the logic of that assertion. The protests had a negligible impact. Negligible number of participants, they happened outside, they walked down the street and largely distanced and wore masks. That's why there's no correlation with spikes and protest sizes.
The spikes are happening in the south and west because they weren't hit in the late winter (higher % of susceptible population), they're congregating inside of closed homes because of the heat (the way northerners did in the cold winter) and they've been less compliant with mitigating behaviors.
CV is getting worse in the US -- spring 2022, maybe?
I was all for the shutdowns to flatline the curve etc - but the virus has weakened or it is not as bad as thought. Stats prove this. Play ball...
I would be fine with no football. It is one long depressing slog anyway. It would be nice to have a year without losing to OSU even if it is because the season is canceled.
I was hoping for a window of lower COVID to get college football in or at least most of it before November. Things will get very bad during the winter months. I'm thinking there will be no football season this fall and you can forget about it for spring. Lets hope the worse is over by 2021. I guess we'll have to watch the Lions blow games in empty stadiums.
I'd be OK with a spring football season. That would be the ultimate throwback - our first "season" (one game) was in May 1879.
I don't watch Ivy League football anyway.
If it takes the XFL/AAF time slot in the spring, who's your team? I'm personally down to Brown Bears, Princeton Tigers, or the Dartmouth Big Green, much to the nard dog's chagrin.
Dartmouth is buried in snow until about mid-March, so factor that into your betting options.
Spring would only work if the NFL draft is pushed back. You could then push back the 2021 season a bit. I think a "let's see where the country is after the end of the year" is a better approach. Too many unknowns right now.
If you love something very, very much....let it go...if it comes back to you....
AH, screw it. This sucks.
The SEC won't do that. They will demand to play. They are infecting their players now to get the virus out of the way hoping you can't get it twice. If you can get it more than once they'll just sneak pro players out there in the college uniforms
There isn't going to be a college football season.
Just think about it - how exactly would they manage it? Cases are way up in the US and this isn't even the second wave yet. You can't ask college athletes to sequester the way you could conceivably do with professional athletes (given that they are students and are not paid). And you can't fill the stadiums. This is just reality - and reality is going to cancel the season.
I'd love to be wrong here, but I just don't see how it's going to happen. I don't see college sports coming back until the virus is under the control, the way it is in places like South Korea or New Zealand, or there is a widely-available and effective vaccine.
If one is 'blaming them' for making a choice that puts safety of student athletes (and everyone they come in contact with and everyone those people come in contact with and every...) instead of thanking them, one might want to review their priorities.
It's not "going away like a miracle". It's not going away when it gets hot. Mounting evidence indicates that immunity is so temporary that herd immunity may not be possible. Odds on creating an effective vaccine seem to be about even. Health care workers in this country are running out of PPE again. Testing companies are flooded and turnaround is now about a week.
So every numbskull choice (see Florida mandating that public schools reopen) we make today, like sports and putting kids back in classrooms because money only serves to prolong this misery. Right now, today, the only sure-fire way we have to mitigate deaths and suffering is changing our behavior.
Major college football isn't going to be "moved" to the spring. Maybe there is an expanded spring practice season with a couple of allowed scrimmages with nearby schools. A full-blown football "spring" season would need to be held right in the middle of MBB season. The TV and logistical conflicts are just too great. Plus, the NFL draft is another huge conflict that tdoesn't really impact the Ivy League. Final issue is academic year conflicts ... Michigan ends its finals and graduation by April 30 but the Ivy League goes all the way to June. That extra month is also critical from a weather standpoint. Michigan would have to start its "spring" football season in like mid-January. How many games will get snowed out ? And how do all of the seniors retain eligibility plus the draft would take guys off the team before then anyway. And are star 1st round-draft guys across the sport, like Trevor Lawrence, going to risk injury so close to draft day ? Not a chance.
For Power 5 schools, a full-blown "spring" football season has zero chance of happening. I would bet there is more likely a delay in the fall start date and a truncated season into just October and November with regional team matchups. The CFP and bowl games would be a big TBD ... maybe something good comes out of this like an expanded playoff ! 6 game regional regular season schedule plus a 16 team CFP conducted in a controlled environment, like MLS is attempting.