Snowflake Thread: Coaching
October 12th, 2013 at 11:19 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:23 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:24 PM ^
To have any chance this season, this team needs to disillusion itself immediately of any notion that it's a power running team. It just isn't. From here out, we need to throw to set up the run. That's just the way it is. Every team has and will continue to stack the box until we loosen them up downfield. It's just irresposible and frankly unfair to Devin, Fitz, and the OL to continue to put them in situations like today.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:28 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:33 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:37 PM ^
Throw out the running portion of the playbook when we play Michigan State.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:40 PM ^
100% correct. If Borges didn't notice, the plays that worked were zone reads, i.e., "spread plays." Like it or not, it's time to go back to what the team can do, not what they HOPE that they can do. I hope we never see a "power run" to Fitz again. I know we will, but good lord it's hard to watch.
October 13th, 2013 at 1:53 AM ^
Problem is, I get the vibe that borges, and maybe to some degree coach hoke won't do these things. I swear to god it is almost like they would rather lose a game than deviate from their idea of what michigan football should be. It is making me sick, it keeps happening over, and over, and over. It is almost like they have a prode issue or something.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:25 PM ^
Absolutely Coaching.
This is a lazy team. I paused the game multiple times to show my son bad blocks by backs and pulling guards and 3 guys watching a guy catch a ball.
Everyone on the team expects Gardner and Gallon to win for them with no effort on their part.
No different than last year. This is not a team, it's a bunch of guys mailing it in and hoping Gardner (Denard) bails them out.
It's very possible we don't win another game this year.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:38 PM ^
Of all the ridiculous comments on here tonight, this by far and away takes the cake!
The ONE thing I can say with 100% certainty is that this is a TEAM, they hang in there, they work hard, they support each other, and then give 110% for Michigan, for YOU!
October 12th, 2013 at 11:53 PM ^
Disagree
A team all does their job every play. I don't see that here.
I see a lot of sloppy play. There is no leadership here from coaches or seniors.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^
I remember when people were concerned Toussaint and Gardner would leave early....ha
October 13th, 2013 at 7:00 AM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:30 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:47 PM ^
I gotta think it was the coaches who told Devin to spike the ball with 13 seconds WHEN THE CLOCK WAS STOPPED CAUSE GALLON GOT OUT OF BOUNDS.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:48 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:51 PM ^
Um...the players maybe?
October 12th, 2013 at 11:54 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 11:57 PM ^
Did you fall and hit your head or something tonight?!?
Do you think that Hoke & Co. didn't prepare Gardner enough, and that is the reason that he made those horrible throws for INT's? Do you think they neglected to tell him, "when there is a DL standing DIRECTLY in front of your WR, DO NOT THROW IT TO THAT GUY?"
C'mon. This wasn't about lack of preparating, it was a player making STUPID THROWS -- something he's been doing all season long.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:00 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 12:04 AM ^
I don't think you are qualified to make that assessment, to be honest -- to be fair, neither am I. I am responding to your specific asertion that it's the coaches that are responsible for the turnovers that have made this team look bad, and lost this game. Those are on Devin, not the coaches. No amount of whining from you or anyone else can change that. Devin is the only one that can change it.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:13 AM ^
Which of these things are indicative of quality coaching? At what point do you quit pointing fingers at teenagers and decide that the guys who get paid to motivate those teenagers are shitting the bed? What about the clock management is that on Devin too?
October 13th, 2013 at 12:21 AM ^
"At what point do you quit pointing fingers at teenagers..."
When they're no longer the ones playing. They are the ones that have to make it happen. Again, the coaches can only do so much.
Have you ever played anything competitive? It's on YOU to execute. Your coach cannot throw the ball, the block, he cannot roll the putt, or sink the basket. He can only do SO MUCH.
"What about the clock management is that on Devin too?"
Fuckin' A right it's on Devin. He can see the play clock, he is in control. Yes, Hoke could have called the TO, but it's one of those should you or shouldn't you plays -- he didn't want to stop the clock, and I am sure he thought there was NO WAY DG wouldn't get the flag.
Stop looking for a scape goat and realize it the teenagers playing that make the mistakes, cuz, they're the fucking players.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:25 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 12:26 AM ^
Whatever dude. Take your ball and go home.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:34 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 12:45 AM ^
They never quit. They play 100% all the time. Nearly everything you point to is EXECUTION based. I realize that execution has a preparation contingent to it. But, when the rubber meets the road the player, not the coach, has to execute. There was nothing that I saw in this game that makes me think that the guys weren't coached well, or that they weren't ready to play. Yes, the OL sucks, and there might be some very good reasons for that that might include coaching. However, the ONLY reason you're pissed is because we had two close wins to lesser teams, and a loss to PSU, and the ONLY reason those things happened is the 13 turnovers comitted by Gardner. How many points have we spotted the opposition this season?
October 13th, 2013 at 12:53 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 1:01 AM ^
When I say they don't quit, I mean that even in a loss like this, when they didn't play well, they came back and had the lead. They've shown incredible determination and the ability to come back despite turnovers. They've not been overly penalized, and I didn't see any stone cold drops.
All well coached team is one that can overcome adversity, and that have shown that they can do that with the best of them. They had the game one tonight. One more snap and the odds of winning, even with a punt, go up astronomically. One more snap, and the leader of the offense, the one whose job it is to snap the ball before the play clock reads, "00" fucked it all up. He stopped the clock, and he push them back out of FG range.
The kid is a great QB, at times, and at other times he's a liability. I promise you he's receiving every bit of coaching possible to rectify those things, but he HAS to make better decisions.
October 13th, 2013 at 1:12 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 1:27 AM ^
Of course you go with option "c" because you need someone to blame. Devin and Denard are both amazing athletes, but they have difficulty making the easiest decisions. These aren't "tight window" risk reward INT's mind you. They're dumb ass WTF? throws where it's OBVIOUS to a pop warner QB that you SHOULDN'T throw those balls.
To throw Bellomy in there is asinine. He played one game under the worst circumstances. Every QB Borges ever coached is not a turnover machine, but every Michigan QB RR recruited sure as shit has been. Again, if you think Borges in NOT telling DG not to throw the ball the a player who has a DL RIGHT in front of him, you're on crack.
October 13th, 2013 at 1:42 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 10:33 AM ^
I just posted here to see how thin we can make this portion of the thread.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:20 AM ^
you my friend are delusional. Are you on on the payroll? You have to put your players in a position to win. Period. You play to their strengths, not put them in situations where they are forced to make bad decisions.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:23 AM ^
So you think Hoke & Co. put DG in position to throw all those INT's? The first one was a simple pass, and the second one was with a DL RIGHT IN FRONT of his WR. WTF? How is that "putting them in a position to throw INT's?"
October 13th, 2013 at 12:27 AM ^
Had the coaches not switched him to WR last year and burn a year of training at QB, who knows, maybe he could read defense better. Maybe the secondary would be better had they not put their best corner Blake Countess as the gunner on special teams and blow his knee out. He would have had an additional year of experience.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:30 AM ^
RR fielded a team who made lots of mistakes especially on defense. Ultimately he paid the price. You cannot blame the coach for that three years and now blame the players for this three years because you think the coach is some mythical "Michigan Man". Last I checked he didnt graduate from michigan either.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:38 AM ^
The team isn't running the ball well. But, look at all the points this team has scored despite that fact. I will submit that there might be something wrong with the OL coaching -- they're just that bad (so it seems). But, the ONLY reason Michigan lost this game, and the ONLY reason that Akron and UConn were in those game is Devin Gardner's turnovers. Nothing more. If Devin doesn't turn the ball over three times, AGAIN, Michigan wins this game easily like they did against Minn.
Yet you jackasses want to fire everyone because the 1st year starting QB cannot stop throwing INT's. He's thrown 10 INT's and 3 fumbles in 6 games. WTF?!?
Fuck it, fire everyone cuz THAT is going to make everything better.
October 13th, 2013 at 2:25 AM ^
so when we went 3-9 and Nick Sheridan looked like he was playing for the other team, that wasnt RR fault then right? Those same crappy players that RR recruited won 11 games Hokes first year and won a BCS bowl. I bet money you were saying how great Hoke was and how he changed the program. Now, those players, many of whom are not on the team anymore were inferior players recruited by RR eventhough Hoke has had 3 full recruiting classes. That is amazing. When RR lost, it was coaching, when Hoke loses its the players. I am tired of this nonsense. Hoke coaching staff is one of the highest paid in Michigan history. Botton line, Hoke is an assclown. He is over paid and overrated. He belongs coaching a MAC school or speaking to at-risk youth. He was hired by Dave Brandon because he is not a threat to Brandon's authority. Brandon doesnt want a top tier coach because he knows he will have to take a back seat to him. Brandon got what he wanted. A coach with a bunch of catch phrases, that won't say no to him.
October 13th, 2013 at 8:49 AM ^
Hoke has not had three full recruiting classes. He was hired right before the 2011 class finished.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:08 AM ^
Sometimes guys just screw up. They don't mean to, they just do. There doesn't always have to be a "guilty" party. I doubt Gibbons's preparation for tonight was any different than normal, but he missed three kicks where he usually makes everything (OK, the 52-yarder was a bit outside his range but the others were within it for sure). Likewise, I don't think Stribling was coached to mis-time his jump and let Robinson catch that pass, nor do I think he did it on purpose. S**t happens sometimes.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:11 AM ^
Exactly. All the preparation and high level coaching in the world is for naught if the players simply don't execute. I am sick of every one whining about bad coaching every time a play doesn't go out way. The coaches can only do so much. At the end of the day, it's on the players to execute what they're taught to do, or not do.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:41 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 12:50 AM ^
It's not a choose or didn't choose, it a do or don't do. I agree that I think Borges was going to the Fitz power running too much. But, the players are ultimately the ones that get it done or don't. It didn't matter, anyway. The game turned on the turnovers in the first half, and the 14 points Michigan spotted PSU. Don't do that, and we cruise to victory, just like we did against ND (sort of) and Minn. You cannot turn the ball over and win, period.
October 13th, 2013 at 1:00 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 1:09 AM ^
The turnovers in the 1st half gave PSU 14 points, the momemtum, and hope. If we don't turn the ball over, even if we didn't score on any of the drives, we go into the half with the lead. But, more than likely we would have scored at least once, and would have had a good lead into the half. Then, when we came out busting it in the 2nd half, we put them away. Take 14 points off the board for PSU and Michigan wins easy.
And IIRC we scored 10 points of TO's so they were still 4 points up on that.
October 13th, 2013 at 1:25 AM ^