Michigan may or may not have a top 5 class ever. with richrod....
I feel we won't have many top 5 classes with RichRod as head coach. Now I could very well be wrong. I just don't see it. Yes we pulled a top 10 class with the 2009 class despite us going 3-9. I just don't see us doing much better than that even if we start going 10-2 every year. The reason you may ask? Well I think it is mostly with the type of players RichRod recruits. Players that fit our system have different skill sets then players that fit traditional systems. We may have a top 5 class due to the size of the class. I don't see us having a top 5 class due to the star ratings. Now like I said I could be wrong. We could start winning a lot and attract top defensive recruits. It's hard to say, but RichRod seems like he doesn't mind taking players that are considered by some as risky. I think a big reason why this is, is because of Barwis. Now if we do land a top 5 class sometime in the future, I will be the first to say I was wrong.
THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POST WAS TO SHOW THAT MICHIGAN RARELY GETS TOP 5 CLASSES. WE ALWAYS HAVE SOLID CLASSES, BUT WE DONT GET TOP TOP CLASSES TOO OFTEN AND I DON'T SEE THAT TREND CHANGING WITH RICHROD.
third try
Second try. And yes, I logged in just to post this.
...but now I can't do it again to save my life. I have 2 cats that I love dearly, but this is going to make me beat them when I get home.
That's awesome. Thanks. Good thing I'm not working today.
i think your looking at the rich rod approach a little wrong. people have noted that he is able to succeed with less than spectularly rated guys. but that is not to say that RR doesnt prefer the 4-5 star guys. while RR can use a 5'7 electron slot guy in a way that most teams wouldnt, he would still prefer having a 6'0 slot guy with the same type of shiftiness. recently we havent gotten much of the latter, but things could certainly shift in that direction with a few solid seasons under his belt.
I very could be looking at it wrong. That is true.
even if this is McFarlin ... well ...
at least he's trying.
In some ways I agree, but if versions of the spread continue to spread (ha!) through college football, it's possible that "spread system" players that are under-ranked now will see their rankings rise over the years.
The rankings also include NFL potential sir. So that 5"8, 160 lb electron man still probably won't be ranked very high.
also true
do you think portions of the spread will ever work in the nfl? the 'wildcat' formation crept up here and there, but was that a one year kind of thing? i personally see it being tinkered with this year (a la pat white under parcell) and down the road.
This post is fine, and I agree with dex. A lot of the highly ranked recruits are geared towards the traditional system, especially on offense.
In terms of defense, I don't understand why people think that the top rated Defensive recruits are coming to Michigan if they starting winning NCs. The best D-players at their position in the country (Fla, Tex, Cal) are still going to UT, UF, and USC.
Michigan will be top 10 for sure, but top 5 is being optimistic.
Even though Scout ranked Mich. #6 in 2008, the attrition knocks that ranking down. See Spoon, Hill, O'neil.
You are EXACTLY what is wrong with being a recruiting obsessed football fan. Listen to what you are saying dimwit. You are more concerned with RR's recruiting classes than his record?
Does anyone else see the irony here?
Wow.
I don't think anyone here is more concerned about our classes than our record. We all would rather have a top 5 record than a top 5 class.
What the hell is wrong with you? Are you that dense? He isn't saying rankings are more important than success. He just wanted to make a point about rankings, which is a true point.
Irony? Wow.
Read this sentence nice and slowly
"I just don't see us doing much better than that even if we start going 10-2 every year."
This is not being concerned about recruiting "rankings" over record on the field?
Now I'm done.
No, I don't see your point.
He never said that would be a horrible thing. He's just saying that, regardless of our record, he doesn't think Rodriguez can get a top five recruiting class.
Magnum chiming in to defend mcfa- I mean michman? Did we catch Bin Laden? North Korea convert to democracy? Is peace and friendship breaking out worldwide? Or did his "you are smart Magnus" flattery cause you to re-think? Test: Magnus you are my e-hero.
I defended MichMan at 11:47 p.m. He didn't compliment me until 12:14 a.m. or something like that. I'm just calling them like I see them.
Also, his grammar is much better than McFarlin's. That kid couldn't write "I'm gay" without messing it up.
What the hell is wrong with you? Are you that dense? He isn't saying rankings are more important than success. He just wanted to make a point about rankings, which is a true point.
Irony? Wow.
Why did you post that you don't think RR will have a top 5 clss, but repeatedly state that you could be wrong.
Obviously "winning" is the strongest correlation to top recruiting. You win, they come. You win, the hype starts. Combined with Michigan's tradition, that is a "no brainer."
You really think RR doesn't go after top-tier recruits (Pryor, Forcier, Henderson, Clay, Prater, Luc, Hicks, etc...) All of them have firm offers. RR knows all of them would fit into his system (whatever the form).
OSU is still riding high off their BCS appearances (regardless of the outcome).
So, I proved you wrong. RR will get top 5 classes (as oppposed to top 10) when he wins a bit more.
If you belive otherwise you are either dim-witted or a flamer.
dimwitted and a flamer.
What do you mean by "recruits"?
Michigan has offered about half of the top 50 recruits and 7 of Rivals' top 10 players.
Just because he hasn't got commitments from those guys this year doesn't mean that will continue. He's not recruiting solely 3-star guys, but the 5-stars like Seastrunk and Lattimore and Jeffcoat aren't coming here, for whatever reason. It could just be an off year. Or it could be the fact that we were 3-9.
Texas can get top five classes, as well as Florida and LSU. Texas and Florida run "gimmicky" (i.e. read option) offenses, and LSU's offense can't really be categorized. They seem to be doing just fine.
More wins = better recruits
to "forever" based on, lets see, 1 data point, this past February's recruiting class.
RR will not (at least presumably) be hampered by a season like last years.
Things change - successful programs in college football, systems run in the NFL, in-vogue coaches, etc.
But thinking that RR's recruiting classes will never break into the top 5 bases on such a brief snap-shot in time is absurd.
There certainly is a lot of rationalizing going on around here lately. To think that RR prefers more risky players, players who are lower rated, is just dumb. And you might as well be saying RR is dumb. He wants the most talented kids out there to run his system. In 2008 that probably was Pryor. RR "went down fighting" according to Pryor. How many stars did he have? Right.
There are some kids that RR and the knuckleheads at scout and rivals don't agree on. Then you have the players that will add depth, make everyone on the team better. Those factors get us some kids with fewer stars. Other than that, he wants the most talented kids he can get. Examples from last year are Denard, Tate, Stokes. He pulled that off after a 3-9 season. When our win ratio picks back up, which it will (would be hard not to), he will have little trouble getting the "stars" that will make us all happy. We will have classes in the top 5. And I think it will not take that long.
I agree that RichRod wants talented guys. I don't think he wants the MOST TALENTED guys. I for one strongly think RichRod wants players that fit the system and will work their ass off. I think he wants motivated players as much as talented players.
Please read my post from above.
See below.
OH MY GOD, GET US OUT OF THIS RECRUITING MESS!!!
Sorry, but here's the numbers since 2002. If you still have the same feelings, then fine. But, take a look for yourself.
2002 - Class ranked 16th
Five Stars: 1, Four Stars: 11, Three Stars: 9
2003 - Class ranked 17th
Five Stars: 2, Four Stars: 11, Three Stars: 3
2004 - Class ranked 5th (yay!)
Five Stars: 1, Four Stars: 12, Three Stars: 8
2005 - Class ranked 6th
Five Stars: 1, Four Stars: 10, Three Stars: 11 (OMG)
2006 - Class ranked 13th
Five Stars: 2, Four Stars: 9, Three Stars: 7
2007 - Class ranked 12th
Five Stars: 2, Four Stars: 5, Three Stars: 12 (NOOOO)
2008 - Class ranked 10th
Five Stars: 0, Four Stars: 17, Three Stars: 6
2009 - Class ranked 8th
Five Stars: 1, Four Stars: 13, Three Stars: 6
RICH ROD MUST HAVE BEEN RECRUITING FOR US IN 2007!!!!
TomVH - Thank you. I do believe you have put this to bed. Anyone who brings this up again should get automatic banhammer (including me).
A thousand times YES, now STFU McFarlin.
this anytime anyone makes a fuss about M's recruiting in the future.
and thanks.
And really, how much is the difference between that and number five? Not a whole hell of a lot.
To everyone who gathered more than 10 points in the course of this most excellent thread. Don't forget to tip your waitstaff, and McFar.....MichMan
It was written by a ra-tard, for one.
Michigan may or may not have a football player become president of the US with Rich Rodriquez. Coach Harry Kipke did it through Gerald Ford and they named the road on the north side of the stadium after him. Why hasn't RichRod done it yet despite the 35 year-old rule thingy?
McFarlin in the house. Woot! Woot!
Last time we had the #1 recruiting class was 1998. Which just happens to be the last time we won a national championship. Its the same thing with Florida and LSU and Oklahoma and USC. Winning gets you top recruiting classes. Doing well, gets you good classes, but not top five, as Tom VH showed was the norm in Ann Arbor over the last ten years. I don't know if Rodriguez will get a top five class, but I am almost positive he will if he wins consistently and/or wins a MNC.
That being said, MichMan, don't take some of these guys or me too seriously. I understand that you are just saying that you don't think he will pull in a top five class. You don't deserve to be slammed for your opinion.
I don't recall...
who did Michigan recruit in '98?
This could be the greatest thread title ever
or it may not be.
50/50
McFarlin - noun; a high school kid who has no idea what is talked about on MGoBlog, also see, flamer, idiot, etc.
You can see the McFarlin signs here folks!
Ex. 1.) He starts arguments against senilor MGoBlog members - and loses - but thinks that he wins.
Ex. 2.) A Tate signature.
Ex. 3.) Starting moot threads that no one agrees with, because it's wrong.
Ex. 4.) Coming back for more....
MichMan isn't McFarlin. MichMan actually has pretty good grammar and spelling skills. He's somebody else. He really didn't do anything horrible in this thread. He just has a different opinion than many of us.
Let's leave him alone.
You are just saying that because he gave you a compliment! I am siding with those folks who think this is McFarlin. Don't have any real evidence other than it just seems like the same guy. Unless this is more evidence of a new type of poster rather than a single poster - a subset of the troll category - the McFarlin category. Maybe there are multiple McFarlins.
As I already said, I defended him before he complimented me.
Unless McFarlin started using spell check on his posts, this isn't McFarlin. And McFarlin probably doesn't have the brains or the motivation to spell check anything.
Or he started using firefox.
has anyone mentioned Potato Salad yet?
or Viton?