Warde comments on critics

Submitted by yoyo on March 27th, 2024 at 1:40 AM

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/longformarticle/warde-manuel-on-firing-juwan-howard-michigan-basketball-dusty-may-and-john-beilein-criticism-229387224/#2395242

 

Warde says he is making decisions (or non decisions) based on what he think is best for the school and not based on the fanbase/critics. Right or wrong, the criticism is clearly reaching his ears and he's not happy about it.

Hard to disagree with Brian's take on Warde given the track record over the last few years but glad he quickly hired May. I thought it would be interesting for the board to hear his side of things.  

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EDIT: Wendy5K said it quite well regarding some of the attack here. I quote: "They veer into personal attacks, sound truly hateful, and many are attacks on his weight. It's one thing to say you didn't like how he handled the Mel Pearson situation, and give rational reasons why. But constantly digging at him and his appearance and making him seem like an ineffectual oaf is beneath us." 

Please refrain from such ad hominems. This is a warning. 

 

RobM_24

March 27th, 2024 at 1:56 AM ^

"I got the legendary coach (who walked out the door on my watch) to help me find the newest coach, to replace the old coach, who I also hired, but had to fire after our program tanked. Suck it haters." 

Warde Manuel -- the man who rides alone in Championship parades. 

1408

March 27th, 2024 at 1:50 PM ^

Most, not all, of the posters on this board are a truly interesting case study.

They tend to be driven almost solely by emotion and without much analysis.  They lurch from sentiment to sentiment.  There is rarely any consistency, any semblance of a through line of rationality.

They cannot believe that anyone would ever have any greater joy or purpose in life than coaching at Michigan.  Michigan and its prestige is inherent in their own view of self.  Maybe too much so.

So when John Beilein leaves to go to the NBA after a tremendous run of coaching at every level, thus seeking the true pinnacle of the profession, they blame the AD.  Not the currents of change in college sports that have driven other legends away.  They blame the AD because Beilein "left on his watch."

When the AD doesn't fire Jim Harbaugh after 2020 they direct their vitriol at him for not being aggressive.  When Harbaugh later leaves to do the thing he told us four hundred different ways that he was likely to do, they blame the AD.

When the baseball coach catches seven bolts of lightning in one bottle - an act that is literally incapable of being repeated at a school this far north of the equator - the AD is blamed for not magically keeping him from going to a program that reveres the sport and is in a position to make it a crown jewel for them.  This is outrage analogous to anger at a AAA coach leaving to coach the Yankees.  

Then the same group of people is enraged that the basketball coach is not fired quickly enough. Put aside that Michigan doesn't do mid-season cannings since the days of Bo (that one time), this is the same basketball coach that had more tourney success in his tenure than anyone else in the Big Ten and had been a national coach of the year (putting aside, completely, his record as a player here).  

Two of the stars in this NCAA tournament, Love and Shannon, both committed to Michigan and could not come.  Does anyone doubt for a moment that the record literally flips if they wound up here?  The proximate cause of Dusty May's hiring is not the end of the season, it is those two admissions decisions.  "Juwan should know these things and adjust accordingly."  Sure.  You have more knowledge of the admissions ins and outs than the coach that talks to them everyday does.

Now the AD appears to pluck the best coach available away from an actual blueblood for less money.  Some on here are ruefully giving him some credit for that.  He got it all done in 24 hours.  

There is a cohort of people on here that are so disconnected from how leadership is conducted and decisions are actually made in the real world that they continue to attack without any real basis other than emotion and discontent. 

Warde has done an excellent job at Michigan and hopefully the current "regretful praise" flavor of the month amongst those rootless reeds in the tidewaters that post on here continues a bit longer.  He deserves the credit.  He clearly hears these things.  I feel bad for him.  

How easy it is to throw stones when you've never been on the line for anything.

MGoBlue96

March 27th, 2024 at 2:01 PM ^

I do actually doubt the record flips even if those two players end up at UM. Howard had two years of Dickinson flanked by a couple NBA draft picks and proceeded to produce a bubble team and a  NCAA tournament miss with those two teams. 

alum96

March 28th, 2024 at 11:45 AM ^

TWO first round picks not just draft picks, and an All American and most coveted transfer ABOVE Love and Shannon.  And still a NIT to show for it.

And why so desperate for those two - because the roster management was in shambles.  Usually you add one of those guys as a cherry on top. Not as the heart and soul of the team.  Nkamhoua the same.  Why are all the best player we did or could have had transfers vs you know developing our own and accessorizing with the transfers. 

Because the coach.

pescadero

March 27th, 2024 at 3:02 PM ^

" The proximate cause of Dusty May's hiring is not the end of the season, it is those two admissions decisions.  "Juwan should know these things and adjust accordingly."  Sure.  You have more knowledge of the admissions ins and outs than the coach that talks to them everyday does."

Well - I know enough to know admissions had absolutely nothing to do with their credits not transferring... in fact - I know they both were accepted by admissions.


...but apparently I know more than Juwan - because I understand you're never transferring in more than 60 credits.

 

Doesn't matter whether they're from Yale, MIT, or Stanford.

 

You aren't getting a UM degree without doing half your credits at UM.

Roanman

March 27th, 2024 at 3:26 PM ^

This entire post is nonsense from start to finish.

That this poster isn't nuanced enough to understand that lots of different people are posting here, and that this board far from marches in lockstep, when he writes, "They tend to be driven almost solely by emotion and without much analysis.  They lurch from sentiment to sentiment.  There is rarely any consistency, any semblance of a through line of rationality."

The thinking above starts with nonsense and never improves.

I, like a whole bunch of people at this site couldn't have disagreed more with the crowd that wanted Harbaugh gone. I think Warde did a piss poor job of fully supporting the single best football coach for this university that we were likely to come across for a very long time, particularly when the program was struggling.

I think we had a shot of a couple more years of Harbaugh had Warde not foolishly jerked him around during the covid season. Maybe not, but he did little or nothing to bolster the football program during that period of time.

I thought that he embarrassed himself and the university both with his demonstrably bullshit "zero tolerance" lie.

I think he screwed the pooch in magnificent fashion with the Sanderson fiasco.

I think he completely mishandled the coaching change in the hockey program.

I don't know enough about baseball or softball to have much of an opinion except, both programs have gone backwards after Warde's hires took over.

Then, this is, for the most part, a site frequented by alumnae of the University of Michigan. I don't always think that the people who come by here every day are all that knowledgeable about football, or basketball, hockey or baseball,  but then again quite a few of us are like me, decent enough athletes to have been able to play pretty well at the high school level and maybe passed up chances to keep playing at the collegiate level to come here and obtain a world class education. Lots of us do know what we are looking at when following a game featuring a ball, or a puck.

Then … again, many, many of the people who come here and graduated have made moves in life that fully qualifies them to evaluate leadership, or in Warde's case, the absence thereof. I have frequent conversations with fellow alums doing law and engineering at the highest levels possible who visit MGoBlog on a daily basis. They have little use for Warde either. So, ignorant, blanket statements like, "There is a cohort of people on here that are so disconnected from how leadership is conducted and decisions are actually made in the real world that they continue to attack without any real basis other than emotion and discontent," don't hold a great deal of water at this particular board.

You like Warde? Fine. But, you’re spouting drivel and nonsense here today.

 

FB Dive

March 27th, 2024 at 4:55 PM ^

I mostly agree. The one thing Warde clearly botched was the Mel Pearson fiasco. Trying to keep him after Wilmer presented their report was indefensible -- and an embarrassing mess after the report inevitably leaked. 

Aside from that, us outsiders really don't know enough to blame Warde for the things he gets blamed for -- or to absolve him. Now, blaming him for Beilein, Bakich, and Harbaugh leaving is just dumb. No coach needs Warde's permission to leave, and all three of those coaches clearly wanted to move on to new challenges and/or jobs they viewed as better. 

RobM_24

March 27th, 2024 at 6:49 PM ^

jobs they viewed as better

And there's the problem. Are we just going to accept that Michigan isn't a destination job for a coach of a major sport? Or is our AD not making the job the destination job that it should be? -- whether that's salary, support, environment, etc..

Does Harbaugh leave if Warde supported him through all the adversity? He basically said he didn't feel the love, which is hard to believe with someone so deeply tied to the university, the city, Bo, and so on.

Does Beilein leave if he coached in front of a lower bowl full of students going crazy every home game? Roy Williams said he feels uneasy whenever he thinks about leaving all those students at Allen Fieldhouse who supported him every game, and the only thing that made it possible to leave was his discontent with the AD. Without the AD issues, he would've retired at Kansas. 

 

 

jsquigg

March 27th, 2024 at 7:02 PM ^

This long comment which provides selective criticism of the amorphous “Michigan fan” nails its critique of a straw man. 

I don’t remember Warde getting much heat over Beilein leaving at all. He still has mishandled the hockey stuff and I still think he’s partially responsible for Harbaugh wanting to bolt for the NFL in three straight off seasons. 

His absence during the bulk of the Stallions stuff said more than his last minute statements which allowed national narratives to fly out of hand with no counter strategy other than what anonymous folk were doing on social media. Yeah, I’m not going to forget that.

If you think two players, albeit very good players, flips last season than you have more confidence in Juwan fixing anything than I do, specifically defensively but also because he’s staunchly anti-analytics. Sure, they may have been passable, even watchable, but it would only have extended a doomed tenure.

So what could Warde have done in regard to basketball? He could have stuck by the zero tolerance guidelines he previously set in place when Juwan effectively ran off maybe the nation’s best S&C guy. 
 

While Warde may indeed learn, grow and improve in his role he has quite often been MIA when the programs need him. I don’t really have any issues with his hirings; that seems to be a strength of his.

1408

March 27th, 2024 at 7:26 PM ^

The "Stalions absence" that included bold, strong and multiple public statements slamming the NCAA and the Big Ten, or the "Stalions Absence" that included working to make sure that one of the top law firms in the country filed a TRO to stop the suspension?  

ShadowStorm33

March 27th, 2024 at 2:48 AM ^

He botched the Mel thing, he's let a couple of successful coaches walk (Bakich, tennis I think, maybe others), and probably most importantly, even though it's quite possible that Harbaugh was always going to leave, he gave the impression that he didn't even do everything he reasonably could have (let alone flat out could have) to try and keep Harbaugh, potentially throwing our football program back into disarray after it finally ascended the plateau.

I don't fault him much for basketball, although if you want to criticize, you could pick on Howard's "zero tolerance" policy not actually being zero tolerance. To me the Harbaugh thing is infuriating--you at least needed to try, and he didn't appear to do much of that. And Bakich really rankles. People have said that B1G baseball (and its inherent limitations) don't merit the investment we would have had to make to keep Bakich, but it's not like he left for a $5M or $10M deal at Clemson. He was making around $600k here, and got an initial raise to $850k, rising to $1.1M in the final year of his deal. To say that baseball, the 4th or 5th biggest sport here, isn't worth a $250k-$500k investment to keep one of the top coaches in the country just really grinds me.

San Diego Mick

March 27th, 2024 at 3:24 AM ^

First of all, kudos to Warde for acting quickly on firing Juwan and hiring Dusty, that's how I want my AD to be.

My issue with Warde is how passive he came off in so many instances like with Pearson, Bakich, Harbaugh. 

How he was not defending the football program like he should have been during the cheeseburger and Stalions BS. It just seemed like he allowed everyone to talk shit and walk all over us.

People were saying we should have wins taken away and not allowed in the CFP, FFS. We beat down the best teams after all the "sign stealing" BS, so they can kiss our asses.

I hope Warde pivots from that passiveness and he has started to with the basketball moves, crossing my fingers. 

FlaWolverine22

March 27th, 2024 at 8:21 AM ^

Exactly. Why is this so hard for Warde apologists to understand? Everyone was in Warde’s corner until after the 2016 screw job in Columbus. He didn’t defend Harbaugh when most people outside of Columbus could clearly see that those refs were paid off. All we’re saying is grow a freaking backbone Warde. Look how Tennessee just dealt a major blow to the NCAA on NIL in contrast to Warde bending over to the NCAA over burgergate. 

energyblue1

March 27th, 2024 at 8:51 AM ^

100%, the 2016 game should have had the ire of every last person in the Athletic Department namely Warde Manuel!  The fact that he didn't say a word publicly until the 2018 game against Northwestern when the B10 officials calling bs penalties for now two full seasons called holding on our RB after a read option QB keep and Higdon was tackled off the fake..  and the official look Harbaugh in the eyes and said yes, Holding #22..  and Warde's response after the game.  It's time I make a phone call to the B10...  yeah.. 

The fact of the matter is Warde always held the power position with the Big10 and never once intervened.  The screw job by B10 officials didn't end with NW.  Go watch a review of the 2018 game, the crossing route game.  Where osu rec's were clearly blocking defenders on the route with the ball in the air.  It wasn't just pic plays it was straight up blocking the defenders out of the play and the ball wasn't thrown or was still in the air.  That's OPI every time.  Sure teams can get away with it a couple plays a game.  Not the entire game and not when 5 scoring plays happen on them..  Warde had nothing to say..   Not a damn thing to say. 

energyblue1

March 27th, 2024 at 8:54 AM ^

Anyone notice that Big10 officiating didn't change towards Michigan until after the SEC invited Michigan and Ohio st to join after covid?  Notice how different the officiating has been?  Much cleaner in games not the off the wall PI calls against our team where there wasn't contact, or our rec's getting tackled with no pi call against the other team. 

Hensons Mobile…

March 27th, 2024 at 7:58 AM ^

Yeah, this whole “it’s not a coincidence” line doesn’t fly for me.

He’s been AD for more than 8 years. Things will change.

 

Football—Man whose reputation is he can’t stay put (moves around within 4 years) stays for 9 seasons, wins national championship, takes huge pay raise in NFL despite offer to be highest paid college coach, plus the challenge of the NFL which it is widely known is a big pull for the coach

Basketball—Oldish man tires of college game, tries NBA, fails, retires from coaching 

Hockey—old man retires (and then Pearson is its own fiasco but isn’t about his coach leaving him)

Softball—Oldish woman retires

Baseball—The only sport (which the public at large doesn’t really care about) where a coach left for another school.

So the pattern is old people retire and also Harbaugh? Okay.

Blue Ninja

March 27th, 2024 at 8:36 AM ^

The thing many miss with Bakich is that he was never going to stay here for life. B1G is a mid level league in baseball, the SEC and ACC are the powerhouses. Clemson is one of the better but not best teams in the ACC. When I lived up north, I never ever heard anyone talk about college baseball other than in passing or because a team was in the playoffs. Down here in the south college baseball is 2nd only to football and women's basketball is somewhere in the mix. 

Bakich came to the place where he got his start in coaching in the same region he played collegiately. It would be equated to would someone go to coach Michigan in football or would they stay at Boise State. If they are serious about being the best they will pick the better school. If they are content with location, job security, culture and pay they may stay but the fact is Michigan is not going to put a ton of resources into baseball when football, basketball and hockey are all higher priority.

rice4114

March 27th, 2024 at 11:03 AM ^

If maybe they could play teams like USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon during the first month of the season? Set up big ten play there until we get better weather?

But also I wonder what Gonzaga thought about keeping their basketball coach. Im not talking about now Im talking while they were growing into a power. Surely they cant keep a coach at Gonzaga with such disadvantages. It took a lot of courage to keep him and build that program. Sure wish we had the same resources and courage at Michigan. If he leaves he leaves but it seemed like our response was "See ya" and that is what I have a problem with. I hear a lot "nobody cares about baseball" no its "nobody cares about losing baseball" this AD has an extra 500k to build a successful baseball program. Everyone cared when we were in the World Series. Truly though nobody cares now. Well done I guess?

Ezeh-E

March 27th, 2024 at 9:37 AM ^

So, you still try harder to retain top talent. Wake Forest, for which baseball was not a big deal at all, invested money in facilities and staff and is now consistently top-5. And that's Wake, which has a very small alumni/donor base. The idea that just because baseball is 4th-6th fiddle at UM that it shouldn't be well resourced is asinine.

Ezeh-E

March 27th, 2024 at 10:32 AM ^

Isn't it the ADs job to ensure our facilities and coaches pay are as strong as possible?

Spending other people's money is what donors are for. Just like how Wake Forest got donors to build their pitching lab for their baseball team before the team was as good as UM was under Bakich's watch.

If you're telling me that UM's athletics budget truly doesn't have room for this, I don't know what to tell you. We're not directional tech. I have colleagues at ACC state schools' athletic programs whose comment about funding can be summed up as "the only problem we have is avoiding papercuts when we're opening all the envelopes with checks from donors in them"

pescadero

March 27th, 2024 at 3:07 PM ^

The AD had the money to pay Bakich.

They probably even had enough to raise every other coaches pay, which would have inevitably happened, when they gave Bakich a raise from highest paid B1G coach to more than 2x the number 2.

...but it's a waste of money. Spend that $700K on something the fans actually care about - like fixing the WiFi in the stadium.