Urban Meyer suspended for 3 games (Oregon State, Rutgers, @TCU)
Source Dan Hope:
Urban Meyer has been suspended for Ohio State's first three games.
— Dan Hope (@Dan_Hope) August 23, 2018
Gene Smith has also been suspended from Aug. 31 through Sept. 16.
— Dan Hope (@Dan_Hope) August 23, 2018
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:53 PM ^
OSU fan, not taking your comment as trolling.
It's a complicated situation. Courtney Smith was hiding things for years so Zach Smith wouldn't lose his job. Once she got some income independently after the divorce, the situation changed.
It's a he-said, she-said mess. I'm just glad that OSU has moved on from the situation.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:05 PM ^
It might be a complicated situation, but his answer was terrible.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
Legitimately laughed out loud at this. How did Urban and Gene prevent Courtney and her kids from being in a better situation? Would OSU compliance have magically made their life better? Made the Powell PD press charges even after they investigated and chose not to? Zach Smith has still not been arrested or charged with DV, yet you act like they've been in a hostage crisis for years. Did Zach Smith abuse his wife? I don't know. The police didn't think so and her own mother says Zach didn't.
At the end of the day, it's shocking to see the lack of critical thinking and jump to conclusions from a supposedly highly educated and discerning fanbase just because you all want to see something bad happen to OSU. You all accuse OSU fans of being mouth-breathing rednecks who are dimwitted and only care about football when you all refuse to think about more than wanting OSU to have a rough time for once. If you truly cared about Courtney Smith and her kids you'd look more into their situation and try to speak in an educated manner about what has and hasn't factually happened. Very few people know the actual details of what happened inside the Smith home and both Zach and Courtney don't exactly seem stable. Yet you choose to believe Courtney because you want something bad to happen to OSU. Yet when it's a Michigan player accused of something, the response here is "let the legal process work before we rush to judgment". Funny how that mindset doesn't translate to a rival. Funny how you think a man should lose his job and legacy because an assistant coach's ex-wife accused him, not Urban, of domestic violence and don't care that the police and county prosecutor chose multiple times to not press charges. All because the football team you root for has mostly lost to its rival for the past two decades. Come on you guys, be better than this.
Bring on the downvotes.
August 22nd, 2018 at 11:03 PM ^
"Did Zach Smith abuse his wife? I don't know."
Holy hell I'm never hiring an OSU student/alum for anything.
McMurphy released the actual police report that wasn't obfuscated for OSU's benefit btw.
August 23rd, 2018 at 5:38 AM ^
For OSU' benefit or for legal accuracy? Unless you are saying that the entirety of Powell PD is willing to commit fraud. Or perhaps the man was never actually arrested. McMurphy is the only one who has this report and wouldn't release it for weeks even after Powell PD and other journalists called it into question. And if he's had the report this whole time saying Smith was arrested, why did he edit his original story to remove the bit about Smith being arrested almost a month ago? Why didn't he just hold firm and release the report then?
August 22nd, 2018 at 11:25 PM ^
Here's a fact. Urban Liar, fired Zach Smith. Why? Why now? Why lie about 2015? As you rightly observe, the Smiths seem really messed up to you and everyone else. But Urban didn't see it until just this year? Fact, he let this slime ball coach young men under him for years. If he has any integrity and honesty and cares about this stuff now, why hasn't it been important the last nine years or so? The man is a joke as a leader.
August 22nd, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
It's rather fascinating how many unsupported assumptions you've drawn from a post that simply asked a question. Here are some:
-- You suggested that the poster doesn't truly care about Ms. Smith ("If you truly cared about Courtney Smith and her kids . . . .")
-- You assume bias driven by nothing more than a football rivalry ("you choose to believe Courtney because you want something bad to happen to OSU")
-- You assume hypocrisy ("when it's a Michigan player accused of something, the response here is 'let the legal process work before we rush to judgment'")
-- You engage in ad hominem ("All because the football team you root for has mostly lost to its rival for the past two decades.")
-- You conflate this poster's question with the opinions of a "fanbase," which at least in Ann Arbor consists of people with very different and often independent views.
I could go on, but you really should re-read the question to which you responded. It's not the only question that should be asked here, but it is a fair one, and it doesn't suggest any of the conclusions to which you have jumped. As to bias, it would be far easier to assume that from your post, which absurdly suggests that perhaps Zach Smith didn't abuse his wife. Even the OSU wrist-slap committee isn't making that assumption.
These are serious issues. They would be equally serious if they happened at Michigan, and you'd be right to call us out if we failed to address them. But that's not the case here. This is OSU's issue and its reaction should be subject to scrutiny.
August 22nd, 2018 at 11:48 PM ^
I didn’t read all the bullshit you posted but I get the idea. Meyer could have been a decent human being and confronted Zach, offered support to Courtney, and change the circumstances their whole family was facing. When a guy is on your staff and he’s getting paid nearly half a million dollars to coach for you, it becomes your business.
August 23rd, 2018 at 9:50 AM ^
I appreciate the honest question. First off, as I've already posted previously, I think Urban should be fired, and I'm disgusted with this whole ordeal. However, as for Courtney Smith, and I'm just guessing, I just don't know that Urban and Gene believe the allegations, right or wrong. I think this whole thing was handled poorly, and ZS should have been fired long ago for any number of things, but speaking specifically about Courtney Smith, I think there's way more than meets the eye. Don't get me wrong, I'm of the belief you never lay a finger on a woman in any circumstance, ever, so I don't absolve ZS of anything, but I'm not sure it's as simple as some have made it out to be. Clearly they had a dysfunctional relationship, I just don't know whether or not this was a case of a man beating a woman. ZS is despicable, so I hope this isn't misinterpreted, I'm just answering why I think they didn't feel an apology to Courtney was in order.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
From what I hear of how this went down (if it's true, of course), OSU can no longer claim to be an academic institution. But honestly at this point, I'm just glad this is over.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
Wow. Shows they found something to bring them to action but they wouldn’t do enough to actually have any real impact. Just sad. Only football matters it seems.
3 Games = a woman’s wellbeing
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:11 PM ^
In the eyes of all except Suckeyes, they never really were.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:08 PM ^
Yawn.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^
Then why was he suspended? It was all or nothing. Either he reported it properly or he didn’t which is a fireable offense. He shouldn’t be suspended at all. You didn’t give actual proof of any nuance in this situation. If he followed protocol, he’s all good. Clearly he didn’t or else he wouldn’t be in trouble. Honestly OSU would have been better off reinstating him immediately than what they did.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^
Yeah well it wouldn't have been a violation of any rules or laws to keep Smith on staff but he was fired. Just because it's not a violation, doesn't mean its not morally repugnant to keep him. And if this board is so irrelevant then why are you reading and posting here? When we point out how nasty you truck drivers are for shitting in coolers and fucking your sisters we don't do it ourselves and then trash you for it.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:15 AM ^
It is ironic how many on this board talk about morality and how holier than thou you are, and continue to make comments such as "When we point out how nasty you truck drivers are for shitting in coolers and fucking your sisters we don't do it ourselves and then trash you for it." It's your board, so have at it, just know that you can actually make a fair and objective point without degrading a fanbase of millions, while claiming to have such superior morals. And for the record, I agree with most of the comments here, and I'm disgusted with OSU regarding the handling of this situation. But why exactly are the disgusting personal insults necessary, and how do they help substantiate your point?
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:32 PM ^
neither Coach Meyer nor Athletic Director Smith violated any policy, rules, law or contractual obligation in connection with the alleged domestic abuse claims against Zach Smith." -- 6(B
--Surprising how both these men are suspended for doing no wrong.
--We won't help you with the bigger-er picture. We don't have the time or inclination nor do you have the ability.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^
what was the mistake?
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:09 AM ^
It’s the times we live in. If the board exonerated both Smith and UFM, what would the mighty media and PC police think. They gave them the suspension to appease them not because of wrong doing. It is a political suspension and nothing more.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^
I agree to an extent JJ, decisions these days are often motivated by the public outcry. But in this situation, clearly there was wrong-doing, in my opinion. If this was a coach with a level of success at OSU similar to John Cooper, I truly think he would be fired, so I think there is a point to be made that winning was put above doing the right thing in this case.
August 24th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
I felt that AD Gene Smith should have been fired.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:07 PM ^
Yep. They were working really hard to become a respected academic institution. That is gone.
It is possible to argue around the edges and rationalize Meyer’s actions if someone wants to but a top notch institution fires Meyer and Smith and makes it extremely clear that any actions inconsistent with being a great institution will not be tolerated.
The Board of Trustees made their long term choice which is their prerogative. No amount of money will change what their actions demonstrate they stand for. They suck as an institution without a doubt. They can take some solace that they are not alone.
August 22nd, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
I doubt THEEEEE ohio could have claimed to be an academic institution.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
I wonder how many games Drake was going for before compromising for 3 games.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:32 PM ^
I say 6. And Urban probably thought 0. So they meet in the middle. Just my guess.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:29 AM ^
Wow, did you figure that average out all by yourself???
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
Fucking pathetic. OSU and MSU will employ and recruit literally anyone if they beat Michigan, regardless of how shitty, unethical, or criminal they are.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^
Good one. You sweat your ass off for 3-4 games over the last 7-8 years, most you were clearly better than, yet those games were on par with Rutgers. Totally dood.
August 23rd, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^
Imagine being this guy, where your brain is so thoroughly rotted that you not only support a "university" that prioritizes winning in sports over protecting victims of domestic violence, but gloat about it on rival message boards. The fact that these people can vote in elections is why this country is such a shithole.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^
Didn’t realize Rutgers played their third string qb and still almost beat you guys with a team that replaced 19 starters.
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:13 AM ^
Almost. I remember our third string QB won a Natty recently.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:34 PM ^
Awesome post, stick it to scUM!
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
Nice deflection from the fact that Ohio State allowed a wife beater to remain on staff for a decade, giving him multiple raises and extensions. Can't let those pesky beaten pregnant women get in the way of some sportsball wins.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
So what is the rationale for Gene Smith keeping his job then ?
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:11 PM ^
He knows too much and enables just enough to run the kind of program OSU wants.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:49 PM ^
This. There is no reason based on what they said why Smith shouldn't have been fired
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:15 AM ^
The consensus at OSU was that if Meyer did report it up the chain then we felt Smith or Drake should have been fired.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
This is hilarious. Not surprised. I would have been surprised if he was fired. I still hope it comes back to bite them in the ass later when even more info comes out
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:17 AM ^
If the committee that was hired to investigate the situation couldn’t find anymore negative info why do you think there is more out there?
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:30 AM ^
Just curious, why do you hope for that? Is it due to your deep sadness for what Courtney Smith has endured? Is it based on what is right, and moral, and just? If it's about those things, wouldn't you hope that more negative information doesn't come out? I've said on here I'm disgusted with OSU and this whole ordeal, but some of you are no better than the evil, red-neck OSU fans you claim to be so much better than, hiding behind some moral high ground, when at the end of the day, it's about hoping for bad things for your rival who's been whooping your ass for years.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
Frankly, more than I expected from them.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
Pathetic
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^
Of course. Now let’s go win the Big 10 and beat them.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:36 PM ^
Your exactly right, 2 - 15 is pathetic in 17 years.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:44 PM ^
You keep harping on that, Wyandot, if I'm an OSU fan I want to win cleanly and the last 2 games have demonstrated that wasn't the case.
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
Wow you’re a loser . The Meyer presser happens and you immediately post on your rivals board
August 22nd, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Hey you fucking idiot, for a guy with cocky opinions you should learn some grammar.
IT'S YOU'RE.....NOT YOUR, NOW STFU & GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^
I can't wait for all the signage and chants at the away games and College Gamedays this year and for years to come...should be a hoot!
August 22nd, 2018 at 10:06 PM ^
This will not end the way they think it will, in large part because of things like this. The backlash on this will be enormous. I'm most curious to see the reaction on their own campus because there was a decent amount of reporting done in the interim between initial report and now showing that a sizeable portion of their student body didn't support his retention if there was actual wrongdoing. Will be interesting. What's next will likely highlight a massive divide between how issues like this are viewed between their older alumni and fanbase versus their students and faculty. So tone deaf in the current environment.
August 22nd, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^
Meyer didn't deliberately lie according to OSU. It was apparently an accidentally lie.