Trey and Tim going to Dallas as part of Porzingis trade
Crazy times right now in the NBA, with Kristap Porzingas forcing himself out of New York in a matter of hours to Dallas, and apparently Trey and Tim will be shipped off with him.
January 31st, 2019 at 6:11 PM ^
I love the idea that people believe James Fucking Dolan is the victim in any of this.
Billionaire owners were able to claw a full 6% of Basketball Related Income (BRI) away from the players' union in the last CBA, from 57% to 51%. Yes, the pie got bigger thanks to new media deals so the overall money going to players has increased, but they still left billions of dollars for the owners.
NBA players got other benefits and they certainly aren't suffering, but the idea that guys being able to dictate where they want to play is somehow a bad thing is, frankly, stupid. You should be able to pick where you want to play, and franchises already have years of control over players coming in via the draft. The Knicks have been a tire fire for decades now and they show no signs of getting better, and the guys who left are better for their exit.
January 31st, 2019 at 8:54 PM ^
Dolan isn't the victim, the fans are.
January 31st, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^
Players can dictate where they want to play in every league. It's more noticeable in the NBA for two reasons:
1. Basketball is, by nature, a star-driven sport, with the best athletes having an unusually high (relative to other sports) impact on the outcome of games and seasons. In general, the teams that win titles are the best teams, and they have the best collection of players.
2. Basketball superstars are comically UNDERpaid, and a substantial number of them merit max deals. That means a lot of teams have space and can afford them; it also gives the players the luxury of picking spots that they like.
The net effect of this is that you don't have a situation like baseball went through years ago where only a few teams could even afford the astronomical salaries demanded by the biggest stars. You also don't have a situation like in football, where the QB is the "franchise" and is able to dominate the entire salary structure of the team, but you can't get a group of, say, six highly-paid players onto the same roster by prior agreement and still get under the cap.
The NBA system allows all teams to afford a star, which should matter, but in practice the stars want to play together (because, at least in part, that's how you win titles) and they can pick which franchises they want to play for.
The solutions to this all come with problems. If you allow the players to get paid more they would spread out around the league, but then you'd have a lot of stars stuck in bad franchises forever, eroding their own motivation to excel. If you softened the cap to baseball's system, you'd still have guys going to the glamour cities, and you'd have small-market teams shouldered out.
February 1st, 2019 at 8:07 AM ^
Players should not simply be allowed to play wherever they want. There's a reason the Yankees, Celtics, and Canadiens used to win championships almost every year. Antitrust cases have sustained the legality of the draft system to maintain some semblance of competitive balance. Free agency is a somewhat different story, as salary caps and compensatory draft picks keep the playing field somewhat level, preventing the richest from always getting richer.
January 31st, 2019 at 4:40 PM ^
Questions about minutes aside, this would be exciting for Burke and Hardaway. And I will be happy if I no longer have any reason to follow the Knicks.
January 31st, 2019 at 4:44 PM ^
The Knicks are a total embarrassment... I don't want to care and I shouldn't but the team I grew up rooting for is a fucking disgrace.
January 31st, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
This is a great deal with the Mavs and a pretty mediocre one for the Knicks, which totally makes sense based on how those two franchises have been run.
January 31st, 2019 at 6:15 PM ^
Remember when people treated Mark Cuban like a running joke?
He's calmed a bit, but he's still Cuban. And he has a title and people want to play there. Who wouldn't?
He's not even the craziest owner in Dallas.
January 31st, 2019 at 6:17 PM ^
kinda awkward isn't it? getting booted to another team, along with the player that is responsible for you getting traded
January 31st, 2019 at 8:08 PM ^
The Mavs actually have an outside chance of making the playoffs this year. I would imagine Burke and Hardaway are pretty excited to get off a dead-end team like the Knicks.
January 31st, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^
Hardaway has been on the trading block this whole season. They've been looking to move him sans Porzingis
January 31st, 2019 at 6:35 PM ^
Doesn't turn your roster upside down and inside out.
January 31st, 2019 at 6:38 PM ^
I was a Knicks fan until I gave up on watching professional basketball completely. It was around 2001, when they fired Van Gundy.
I've been to a game or two or three since (free tickets), but the atmosphere was t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e, as was the team. This move means they will stay bad for another 5-10 years. Why would anyone want to play in NY now? They might be better off in Brooklyn.
I had lunch with a contractor the other day who said his company had season tickets to the Yanks, Knicks and Rangers and had to give up 2 of the 3. He kept the Knicks tix and totally regrets it, of course.
January 31st, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
That is literally one of the worst decisions I've ever heard anyone make.
January 31st, 2019 at 8:06 PM ^
Wow, that’s sheer incompetence. Would never give up season Yankee tickets, and while the Rangers aren’t worldbeaters, they’re still pretty good year in and year out, and hockey is an infinitely more fun sport to watch.
January 31st, 2019 at 10:08 PM ^
Found the hockey dude
January 31st, 2019 at 7:53 PM ^
I don't quite get how they can trade KP when he's injured. Don't they have to pass physicals on their new teams? (or maybe that's only in the other pro leagues?)
Anyway, it's actually a good move for both teams. Assuming KP returns to form, he pairs nicely with Doncic going forward.
And if you're the Knicks, if you land Zion and can convince Kyrie and KD to meet up in the Mecca, you've got an instant contender.
Of course, knowing the Knicks, they'll probably end up with some overpaid combination of Kemba Walker, Boogie Cousins, and Romeo Langford.
January 31st, 2019 at 8:06 PM ^
This is the Knicks thinking they're going to sign two max guys in the offseason, and it's going to be too funny when it doesn't happen.
January 31st, 2019 at 8:03 PM ^
Moving stuff around to make room for runs at Durant and AD?
January 31st, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^
AD is going to be on the Lakers, probably within the week.
And if he's not, and they trade him elsewhere (which won't be NY), he will be a rental. Davis will not sign with the Knicks.
The best bet is KD and Kyrie - two players who have shown interest in playing for the Knicks. Plus if they get Zion, they will be an instant force in the East
January 31st, 2019 at 11:09 PM ^
That is a heckuva bet though.
February 1st, 2019 at 12:44 AM ^
This is really nice for them. Trey and Tim weren't given a fair shake by fans in New York
Knicks fans immediately hated THJr because of his contract as if its his fault the Knicks paid him all that money
As for Trey, Knicks fans have had some weird obsession with PG Nitilikina. Dudes been complete ass on offense. Trey would drop 20+ and Knicks fans wouldn't blink but if Nitilikina scored 6 pts it'd be headline news for them
I think Trey is good enough to be backup PG on any team in the NBA and good enough to start on most of the worst teams. With no Dennis Smith in Dallas he will get to show off his talent