SOL: Lions promote voting for Stafford for the Pro Bowl

Submitted by boliver46 on December 13th, 2018 at 3:22 PM

My oh my...the Lions are SO disconnected from reality.

Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford hasn’t put up big numbers this season. Through 13 games, Stafford is on pace to post his lowest yardage total, touchdown output, quarterback rating and QBR in years.

Despite that, the Lions sent out a tweet advocating for Stafford to make the Pro Bowl. It didn’t go over well.

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Not sure how to embed the tweets, but here ya go with a link:

https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1072893357276438528 

My favorite reply:

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Comments

Magnus

December 13th, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^

I don't agree with that. He's not an elite QB (like Brady, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, etc.), but he's been in the top half of the league, IMO. He wouldn't have been a starting QB in this league so long if he was "butt," which I would reserve for the bottom chunk of the league (a.k.a. anyone generally starting for the Bills, Jets, 49ers, Titans, Browns, Cardinals, etc. over the last several years).

Solecismic

December 14th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^

I've worked with quarterback numbers extensively, and what Rivers has done over his career is remarkable. The center of my work attempts to handle era differences (we are certainly in a passing offense era that shows no signs of retreating), so the numbers are adding up and I wouldn't say 8th all time. But not all that far from 8th.

The question is whether accumulated "great but not elite" and no playoff success can get you to the Hall of Fame (it does in baseball, because the numbers in baseball are infinitely easier to recognize and there's less focus on team).

The best comparison I can make to Rivers is Kenny Anderson in Cincinnati. Anderson not being in the Hall seems a huge oversight. I don't think Rivers will make it, either, because he's coming in with a group of superstars - Brady, Manning and Brees, with Rodgers and Roethlisberger not that far behind.

The opposite of Rivers is Eli Manning. Two rather inspiring Super Bowl runs and MVPs, but the numbers aren't there. He just wins games. I think the really poor seasons at the tail end of his career will cost him a place in Canton. If he had just accumulated average the last few years, he'd be considered.

Magnus

December 13th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^

I get why people say that, but he's on the lower end of that group, IMO. He's another guy who hasn't had a ton of help at the wide receiver position over the years. He had Antonio Gates (when he was good), and he has Keenan Allen. If he were Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, he would make those pedestrian receivers look good, so that's why he's not one of the top few in my mind. But he's in that second tier of top QBs, I think.

Maize N' Ute

December 13th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^

The Fords are the worst owners in professional sports.  They all need to go away.  Stafford has quit on this organization and needs to be traded.  Unfortunately, with that contract, he isn't going any where 

Magnus

December 13th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^

Stafford has NOTHING to work with right now. Golden Tate is gone, and Marvin Jones is injured. He's got an up-and-comer in Golladay, but nobody else even halfway decent to catch the ball. Meanwhile, Kerryon Johnson looks like a decent back, but he's been hurt the second half of the year when they needed someone to step up in the absence of the aforementioned receivers.

East German Judge

December 13th, 2018 at 5:10 PM ^

Exactly, every now and then good qbs, not elite ones, will carry a team on their back and win, not ms. His record against teams with a .500 record is something like 11-90, WTF!  He gets paid like a top 3 qb in his career, but lions/stafford fans have all the excuses as to why he is good, but everyone around him is bad. 

Tyler1495

December 13th, 2018 at 4:06 PM ^

He literally had everything he needed to start the year.  oline, running game, and 3 good wide receivers, and what does he do? Throws 5 interceptions against the Jets and basically lost the game against the 49ers... 2 of the worst teams in the league. I cant even blame Quinn for trading Tate, in fact i thought he made a solid trade. 

Stafford has the pocket awareness of a college freshman QB and when the pocket collapses he stands in there like a statue. I used to be a huge supporter of Stafford, but this year completely changed the tide. We are not winning a playoff game with this guy. I wouldn't even mind wasting a pick this year on a qb in the 3rd round like Will Grier if he's available. 

KungFury

December 13th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

When OSU posted to silence the white noise, at least some of their fans were dumb enough to defend what a horrible idea it was. Not a single lions fan is willing to die on that hill. Brutal. 

MGoTrumpet

December 13th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^

Let's actually vote our conscience and not follow the party line.  If you really think Stafford deserves to be in the pro-bowl, vote away.  I'm tired of all the politics in this world!

Solecismic

December 13th, 2018 at 3:50 PM ^

Right now, 27th in average yards per pass attempt and the same number of picks as Goff and Mahomes, who have done other things. I'm not feeling it, and at some point it's not just the supporting cast.

He's not a bad quarterback and there's no reason to dump him, but I feel like we're always looking at his potential and not what he's done with it.

Surely there's a better all-pro candidate from this 5-8 squad that's still fighting for a playoff spot.

nerv

December 13th, 2018 at 4:37 PM ^

I think there is every reason to dump him. What have we accomplished with him at the helm? This season is a pretty typical Stafford and Lions season. Lose a bunch to begin the year then start winning meaningless games when you're out of contention. Not good enough to go anywhere and not bad enough to acquire high draft picks.

Basically the defense for Stafford is that there are worse QB's out there. Which is true. They're also predominately on bad teams. A lot of them also happen to be young with potential. Stafford is who he is at this point and that isn't getting the Lions anywhere.

Quinn has been trying to build this team around a running game since he got here. Time to hope Kerryon can get/stay healthy and lets go in a different direction.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 13th, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^

 

He is a good QB. Is he great? No. But you can win with him if you build a team around him.

He carries this team to 9-7 seasons in ‘16 and ‘17 with terrible defenses and subpar OL and running game.

People ignore that when bitching about him.

Solecismic

December 14th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^

That kind of statement may have been true before the last CBA, when rookie contract money was making it very difficult for teams to stay under the cap. But now there are teams that don't even pay bonus money because contracts haven't caught up to fill all that cap room.


That's not to say Brady isn't exceptional in this arena, though his $22 million cap cost isn't that far below Stafford's $26.5 million this year. Stafford's getting what franchise quarterbacks get these days. Can't blame him for that any more than we can blame Sam Bradford for the career he has put together compared to the money he has received.

 

The Lions' issues are more that they have an older team (like the Patriots), but haven't invested as wisely in older players. The Lions aren't in cap hell - hardly anyone gets there these days. Having Ansah, Lang and Marvin Jones out for extended periods is bad luck, though. Trading Tate may have been a bad look, but I think it was a wise decision given his age and contract status. Someone will overpay for him next year.

 

bacon1431

December 13th, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^

This year, he’s been bad. The rest of his career? He’s be mostly fine. Top 12-15 Qb. He’s the best Lions Qb since Bobby Layne. Not that hard to do but we’ve seen much much worse as Lions fans. He’s overpaid but so are a lot of QBs. I would be fine with drafting someone to push him but he’s on this team for at least two more years until his contract can be moved.