Rekindling Michigan/ND Rivalry
The idea of rekindling the Michigan/ND rivalry has been discussed off and on over the past couple of years now--honestly ever since the thing ended I suppose.
But the "Edge of the Internet" is now saying that the buzz around the Athletic Department is really starting to pick up about this in recent days.
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What's your prediction on what day--if ever--that the Athletic Department will officially announce scheduled games with Notre Dame again? Will it be in the next few days? Weeks? Or do you think it'll never happen?
- If it's announced soon that we will rekindle the rivalry, do you think this is a good idea or not? Why?
Agree - feel the same way about ND(p) *
And Colleges are just going to flat out turn down money at some point to right? Nah we have enough, thanks.
I don't see a 1 loss ND getting in that often unless their schedule is super strongWell they should have no problem demonstrating that with the now-annual showdowns with NC State, Duke, and Wake Forest {smirks}.
Indeed. Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Purdue send their regards.
I'll be the first to sign the petitiion to toss Rutgers and Maryland out of Big Ten should the day ever come, but every conference has their teams that are at the bottom of barrel, but the in-conference schedule usually assures a relative even spread of competitiveness. ND picked the ACC to not join because it offered them a better chance to stock up on tomato cans while shedding games that had become annually problematic. The only way ND is going to have a chance to stay relevant in a 4-team CFP and still maintain their independence is to water down their schedule. To pretend their move to the ACC wasn't calculated based on this arithmetic is intellectually dishonest.
If they beat Stanford last year, they were in.
that is highly debatable. Oklahoma blew out ok state and was declared the conference winner, something the committee claims is important, and it's damn sure msu was going to pass them
she's be my uncle. So there's that...
I totally agree. They cancelled the series in a way that gave them one extra home game. then, they made a big deal about it was so they could go play big games in the ACC. It's like a girlfriend waiting until after you have paid for an expensive dinner to tell you she is dumping you for an ugly guy.
I would actually love the AD to call a presser and announce that we can't play ND because we have scheduled a decade of home and aways with someone like Georgia or USC.
I am done with Notre Dame. The changing landscape of college football makes the game irrelevant (or downside only) to us but beneficial to ND. Join the Big Ten or you are only one of many options for a non-conference opponent.
No benefit to ND. We still maintain USC and Stanford. Plus other marquee games like Texas, MSU, Georgia, Miami, FSU, Clemson etc. You need ND more than ND needs you. Your nonconference is a tire fire.
CFP so far has consisted of teams that won their conference championship game (7) or won their conference championship (1). Michigan handles it's business in conference, they'll be in the playoff. We'll be just fine. ND, yearly, has to hope they win all their games and that one of the Big 4 Conference Champions doesn't come off as strong nationally.
The idea that Michigan needs ND more than vice versa is laughable.
this is all a moot point once the playoff expands and adds autobids. I suppose he thinks even then ND will remain 'independent'
it's only a tire fire this one season because ND gave 0 warning to reschedule, and that kind of behavior certainly should not be rewarded
ND is in a conference (nbc/acc), don't fool yourself. They have as few open games to schedule as we do. The only difference is they aren't able to compete in that conference
texas is far from marquee but they are on our schedule too (hopefully by the time they don't suck), as is msu every single year. Clemson/fsu/miami are like wisconsin/iowa/nebraska to us - every few years - except to us those games are established rivalries. Sub out ohio state for usc and your one time series vs georgia with ours vs oklahoma and what do we have left?
UM - can compete for a conference title and extra game, 80+ game rivalries every few years vs other division
ND - 10+ game "rivalries" every few years against teams 1000+ miles away
1) Miami as a marquee game? LMAO it's not 1985. They are a Minnesota level opponent.
2) We have future games scheduled with Texas, Oklahoma, UCLA, Washington, Florida and Arkansas.
Get off your high horse you holier-than-thou looney toon.
You just want to pretend that we're not a rival to you because, hmmm, I wonder who Notre Dame's only rival they have a losing record to is???
Like it or not, we're your only real regional rival. Nobody I've ever met from Notre Dame gives a rat's ass about Purdue or MSU. You all care about Michigan, that's why you're lurking on our blog.
I'm with you. They can join the B1G for all sports, or they can go fiddle themselves, or whatever it is leprechauns do, and the B1G shouldn't schedule them at all not even in hockey. Let them keep sending their women's lacrosse and rowing teams to Clemson and Miami (YTM) instead of to IU and Purdue and NW. I'm tired of the B1G seemingly bending over backwards for them, including MI rekindling the ND series in football. Eff em. It'd be interesting to see how many MgoFans actually care if MI and ND play football--on a scale of one (don't care at all) to 5 (really care a lot), I'm at 2.
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whoever starts in front of Gary!
It doesn't seem likely that it will be rekindled in the near future, but it seems clear to me at least that the rivalry is good for both programs.
I have no idea when, or if this will be announced and I do not peruse the edge of the internet. I do however support the rekindling of the rivalry. I loved watching Michigan consistently whoop that ass.
There are openings in 2018 and 2019.
We'd get the home game in 2018 and they'd get a home game in 2019. They'd just have to move their 2018 game against Ball State back a week or cancel it.
This would be awesome.
Would actually make the 2018 schedule awesome, if not better, than the 2019 schedule despite not having either MSU or OSU.
Notre Dame, Arkansas, Nebraska, Penn State and Wisconsin? That's a damn good home slate.
far more likely they'll cancel arkansas, which would suck something fierce. Finally an sec team on campus
I would rather see that home and home go to the Bulldogs or another traditional power from a power five conference.
So you want to start 2018 with games against Arkansas, SMU, Notre Dame and Nebraska. Why would any sane athletic director or football coach want to start their season with a four game slate like that? Unless you're BYU and have no real scheduling flexibillity, what you're suggesting makes no sense if your program is in a Power 5 Conference and has aspirations to winning tis conference and getting into the four-team playoff.
Besides that, consider what 2019 would look like. You'd have U-M playing on the road at Arkansas, at Notre Dame and at Wisconsin in the first four weeks with one home game TBD. Same thing as I wrote above--what sane coach/AD in a Power 5 Conference would sign up for that kind of schedule? Beyond that, if U-M were to do as you suggested, the Wolverines would only have five home games in 2019.
i don't understand, is there some reason a harbaugh team in its 4th season shouldn't be able to easily win those other 3 that are having 8-4 seasons? Any team with serious playoff aspirations should easily do so and wins against mediocre P5 teams would if anything offset a loss to notre dame
however i would make sure 2019 is at home, possibly a one off since nd screwed us on that last time
I think the rivalry itself is good, but I agree especially w/ the 9 conference game setup, having to play them EVERY year really limits our options for the 3 nonconference games. I don't like doing once every 3 or every 4 years though, because I want kids on the rosters to have a good chance at having a "rematch" as much as possible--i.e. overlapping rosters. Plus doing back to back H&Hs maximizes a chance that most kids on each roster will get to play the rivalry twice in their careers--two bites at the apple.
I could see doing 2 home & homes with a short break in between. DEFINITELY schedule the home & homes so that Michigan has ND at home in the even years so we at least get the ND home/MSU&OSU away dynamic as opposed to playing all three away in the same season. I'd also want Michigan to get the first home game as well. We went to South Bend and got our asses handed to us last time we played, so they should come into the Big House this time.
Example:
2022 at Michigan
2023 at ND
2026 at Michigan
2027 at ND
So you'd like to see Michigan play UCLA and Notre Dame both in Ann Arbor in 2022 and then both those teams on the road in 2023.
In 2026, this would also mean playing both Oklahoma and Notre Dame in Ann Arbor in 2026 and then having ND and Texas on the road in 2027.
Is this the kind of non-conference schedule you'd like to see Michigan play? Would you be confortable playing only five games at Michigan Stadium in the odd numbered years per your plan?
Home and home, 2 years off, home and home, 2 years off, repeat.
Damnit, beaten to the punch right before. Whatever, just shows its a good idea, right?
The only issue with that is if our Big Ten schedule stays as it is with our "feast vs famine" home schedules (MSU & OSU away or home on the same year), if we do ND with two year breaks, then we will have occasions where we play @ND, @MSU, @OSU. I much preferred the old schedule where on any given year, we either had ND, then @MSU & @OSU, or @ND, then MSU/OSU at home.
1. I have no idea when it will be announced, but it will come back. If you look over the history of the rivalry, there are numerous breaks of 2-3 years where the two teams didn't play. This is nothing new. They play each other for a decade or so, then they take a few years and cool off and fire it back up again.
2. Of course it's a good idea. It's Michigan-Notre Dame.
But really, just join the B1G.
Stop being in denial. You are in the Midwest. Not the Atlantic Coast.
honestly we have to get rid of maryland/rutgers before we take the high ground there
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What is the benfit to Michigan? There have been some great and some awful games. We already have two big rivalries, with several others claiming a rivalry with us. We compete for the same recruits a great deal. With the 9 game conference schedule I guess I do not have a problem playing them every ten years or so mixed in with a rotation of one game a year against a national power/academic schools. The other two games would be lesser Power 5 schools or two non-power 5 opponents. How about a rotation of Florida, Georgia, Texas, ND, Cal, UCLA, Washington, USC, UNC and UVA?
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is there some reason you can't look forward to washington, ucla, texas, oklahoma?
Sitting here now, my own view on this is the "when there is time" stance on the Michigan / ND rivalry. Since we are now short one non-conference game, it won't happen every year, and I won't feel bad if it doesn't happen most years, but if there's a slot and they are agreeable, then fine, I wouldn't be averse to it. I just don't feel the need to turn it into something like it was now - I find that "To Hell With Notre Dame" actually is not a bad general strategy.
Notre Dame games have been great fun and something to look forward to, but the B1G has sucked up to them in every possible way for years for no real reason. To hell with Notre Dame.
Must happen - it is arguably the most traditional and significant of all 'national' football rivalries.
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