Hoke new DC at Oregon

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Hoke is the new DC at Oregon. As per Feldman on Twitter and commented on by our Dear Leader.

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Blue_In_Texas

January 16th, 2016 at 6:39 PM ^

This could be good because: 

1. He does not have to pick offensive staff, which was one of his biggest failures here. 

2. He seemed to pick good coaches on defense here. 

3. His recruiting skills + the boost they get from Nike could be nice. 

 

Just hope none of his guys get concussed...

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Yooper

January 16th, 2016 at 6:35 PM ^

I think it is an odd fit but if he has some success he will be able to land a good HC job in a year or so. Good but risky move by both Hoke and Helfich

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aratman

January 16th, 2016 at 6:45 PM ^

But it is awesome for Oregon.  If he can get the D playing even near his Michigan teams they are going to be a hard out.  I thought Hoke would show up at a low level power 5 school, but this may be a better job then that.  More money and exposure.

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BornInA2

January 16th, 2016 at 6:49 PM ^

I like Brady Hoke. He clearly cares about the well-being of his players on and off the field, recruited like mad, and was, I believe, ultimately sunk by a poor choice in OC.

I wish him all the best at Oregon.

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Olaf

January 16th, 2016 at 6:59 PM ^

The people crying about people slamming Hokey are the same ones that insult Rich Rod. They both suck as coaches lets just move on and count our blessings.



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Optimism Attache

January 16th, 2016 at 7:00 PM ^

Hoke is passionate, is a great recruiter, can spot good players with good heads on their shoulders, and really knows the defensive side of the ball. Expect Oregon's D to improve significantly this year. Good luck to coach.

Also, Feldman's article says Hoke had other good coaching opportunities before accepting this gig. Anyone heard what the others might have been? My main question is whether he skipped a mid-major head coaching gig to be DC at this Power 5 school.

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Optimism Attache

January 16th, 2016 at 7:26 PM ^

His classes were really good compared to the RR era!! And he was consistently recruiting classes that 1) had great academic progress performance, 2) were way better than any other team that had a win-loss record comparable to Michigans.

He was bringing in top-tier talent, even though Michigan was a bad team on the field. That's impressive.

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doggdetroit

January 16th, 2016 at 8:16 PM ^

His classes were in the same ballpark as RR's. Per 247, here is the average class rank during Carr's final 4 seasons, RR's 3 seasons and Hoke's 4 seasons:

Carr - 7th
RR - 13th
Hoke - 14th

Now, Hoke's average is brought down by the 2011 class (#26) in which he got a late start. If you take that class out, his average increases to #10. However, his failed tenure led to the 2015 class (#37), which is not factored into his average. In the end, his ranking of 14th is a pretty good indicator of his recruiting abilities.

To his credit, he brought in the 6th and 4th rated class in 2012 and 2013, both of which were higher than RR's highest rated class (#10) but not any better than what Carr did.

Also, if you follow recruiting, you will see that this recruiting bump in the first 2-3 years of a coach's tenure tends to happen when energetic coaches take over at moribund power programs. For example, when Butch Jones took over at Tennessee, his first class was ranked 24th. He then followed up with the 7th and 4th rated classes in 2014 and 2015. Eventually, that initial excitment fades and scholarships become more limited. Hoke's 2014 class was ranked #20. Jones' current class is ranked #21.

In the end, Hoke recruited par for the course at Michigan. I expect him to recruit par for the course at Oregon. 

 

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Optimism Attache

January 16th, 2016 at 9:29 PM ^

I can see an argument for "good not great" but given the circumstances surrounding Hoke's recruiting, I think he did a hell of a job.

As you explain, 14th is not quite an accurate average for Hoke, since 2015 was a debacle and he did not get to finish that cycle, and because he was largely not there in time to be responsible for 2011.

The thing I didn't explicitly state but I think is a big deal is that Hoke's classes had low attrition. He recruited guys who were good players and who stuck around. Did he develop those players? No, but he got them there.

Given that, his classes were certainly above RR's--I never claimed they were better than Carr's. For a program that was in overall decline for his entire tenure, I thinkt that is pretty damn good. 

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cp4three2

January 16th, 2016 at 8:31 PM ^

It's not impressive to not be a disaster, which DoggDetroit points out. We're seeing "great recruiting" as a reason for Oregon hiring him. He's not great, he's good. He'll help them ID good defensive linemen, but that's about it. He recruited at the same pace as Rich Rod, more or less, but Michigan fans liked him a lot more because he was a Michigan Man, thus is it seemed like he was recruiting "out kinda guys." 




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Wolfman

January 17th, 2016 at 4:18 AM ^

"He was bringing in top-tier talent, even though Michigan was a bad team on the field. That's impressive."
 

I know it was not intentional and I took liberties in interpreting as meaning "Consdiering Michigan's poor performances, he was still able to bring in top-tier talent."

I have a difficult time criticizing any coach that had the misfortune of working under Brandon. Brady is a good man and some kids are easily drawn to him due to that fact and a personality that suggests he possesses a ton of energy and he will be fun to play for.

The sad truth is his record at Michigan actually lead to him being able to increase his overall winning pct., due in large part to his first year and having one of the most skilled offensive players to ever play the game at the collegiate level. A steady decline in wins each year was not unexpected on my part, although I was hoping for the opposite. His reputation as a great recruiter is somewhat warranted. Convincing Peppers to come here was, and probably will be his greatest achievement in that regard. Truth is he recruited a lot of "like: players on the DL, meaning they were all far above average but all possessed the same skill set. He does not recognize the need for recruiting strong, fast-twitch types of athletes who occupy the ends of your defense in both line and lbing to complement the powerful, very difficult to move interior players that normally occupy the interior of the line, and in this case also extended to our interior lbing play.

However, he did leave Jim with enough talent that when they were introduced to the game's best teachers they performed far above expectations. This was true also on the OL, but never fully realized untili current staff had the time to dedicate to correcting their flaws. The result? The performance during the bowl game.

He is a very good man. He is an average, at best, coach. I wish him well in Eugene.

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