brewandbluesaturdays

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^

Would have loved to have him tomorrow/this season. Does he still have eligibility?

Imagine where our concerns if Angry Michigan Secondary God would have allowed us Woolfolk and D-Warren back there this year. Ohh well, I suppose, time for the new guys to step up.

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jmblue

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^

Once he declared for the draft, that was it for his eligibility.  The NCAA doesn't let football players change their minds and come back to school, even though it does for basketball players.  Go figure.  Even more obnoxious is that football players must make up their minds three months before the draft, whereas basketball players have until a couple weeks before the draft to make their final decision.  I don't understand this double-standard at all.

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bacon

September 3rd, 2010 at 3:09 PM ^

I feel like it's even more of a double standard for HS/ college baseball players.  Particularly the guys "advised" by Scott Boras who routinely use the chance that they might accept a scholarship as leverage to get better contracts.  I guess withouth this loophole there wouldn't be much talent in the college baseball ranks, but it would have been nice if Warren could have tried the draft with an "advisor" and then come back when he went undrafted.

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Sven_Da_M

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

... but he should have seen this coming; another early departure hits the Reality Wall.

Eligibility? He signed with an agent, he's gone for good long ago.

I guess he earned a few extra credits at the College of Hard Knocks.  Hopefully he recovers from the concussion and catches on somewhere else...

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bronxblue

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:25 PM ^

He'll probably land on another team (I hear the Ravens are seriously looking for a CB), and I wish him the best.  I can't completely blame him for leaving - everyone was calling him a first-day draft pick, but somehow he just kept dropping.  He's too talented not to find a home, but it would probably have been in his best interests to stick around for another year.  Just a bad break all around.

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Magnus

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:30 PM ^

I completely blame him for leaving. He obviously wasn't ready, and his team could have used him. His play on the field wasn't awesome enough for him to leave after his junior year, and the fact that his Combine numbers were so atrocious hint that he didn't work himself into great shape and take his physical condition seriously. I hope he can latch onto a team, but he did this to himself. He should have been smarter.

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jmblue

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:46 PM ^

While it ultimately was his decision, I don't think it's fair that the NCAA has one set of rules for basketball players thinking of leaving early and another for football players.  Why is it OK for hoops players to test the waters, go to the camps and then pull out of the draft,  but not football players?  It makes even less sense when you consider that basketball teams have only 13 scholarships, so each one is theoretically much more valuable than any one football scholarship.  It's backwards.

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Braylon1

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 PM ^

to think, Michigan at one point was coming into the season with arguably the Big 10's best CB duos in Warren and Woofolk, a 5 star third CB in Justin Turner, and had just signed arguably the best DB in the country in Demar Dorsey. now, 3 are gone for good, and 1 is out for the season.

those losses have my confidence shaken when it comes to the ND game. if the defense pulls us out of that one then they can make me a believer.

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joeyb

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

Did Dorsey get in anywhere? I thought he Louisville would let him in. It would be awesome if he went to a JUCO for a semester or two, then got into Michigan. Dorsey, Woolfolk, and 5 more freshmen DBs to add to the roster could make our defense serviceable next year.

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jmblue

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:29 PM ^

I'd like to believe that this would be a cautionary tale for anyone else thinking of leaving early, but I know that agents will continue to lie to players about their draft stock to lure them out.  I despise them. 

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DenverRob

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:35 PM ^

can he still be on the practice squad?

i was under the impression that the 53 man roster suits up on sundays, while the full count with practice squad was around 75. I thought i heard this on hard knocks.

I never understood why he went to this team. they have revis, cromartie (and his 47 three year olds), and drafted a cb with early draft picks. seemed prettyt hard to make it from the start.

Come on down tothe  lions if he cant be on the practice squad 

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MGoRob

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 PM ^

For those of you who said he wasn't NFL ready, I don't know quite what to say.  Could he have used an extra year? For sure.  Should he have stayed?  MOST DEFINITELY.  Do I as a fan and Mich alumnus feel betrayed?  You bet.

However, as the article states, Warren was released after not seeing the field for a significant amount of time due to a concussion.  This implies it was more a health issue and that they couldn't count on him in a limited roster spot.  Go with the healthy guy.

If he's able to get past these concussions, he'll make a team somewhere, at the very least for a practice squad till he can show what he's got.

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bryemye

September 3rd, 2010 at 7:41 PM ^

He was clearly too slow to play CB in the NFL. They tried him at safety but it wasn't working out. The comments coming out of the Jets camp while he was healthy weren't exactly promising either. 

Who knows if he'll ever make it onto a 53 man roster. I think there would have to be some significant changes for that to happen.

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15-PassengerMan

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 PM ^

There are no shortcuts in life.

But there's an upshot:

This is another feather in the cap for the Brandon Graham route: have a good junior year, come back, hit it extra hard in the offseason, play lights out as a senior, get drafted high, put some $$ in the bank, and start off the NFL career as ready as possible.  

And all this can happen completely independent of the team's record during that senior year.

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UMaD

September 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 PM ^

Man, was I wrong....

I still think most people overvalue staying an extra year, but if you're not going to make a roster theres a pretty good chance you made the wrong choice.

Its too bad.  No one wins here.

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Section 1

September 3rd, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^

Drew Rosenhaus.  Warren's agent.

Drew Rosenhaus, if you never ever bring your sorry Miami-Duke ass back to Ann Arbor, it will be too soon.  Screw you, you hateful, dumb, arrogant prick.  If you advised Donovan to enter the NFL draft, you gave him crappy advice.  If you failed to advise Donovan to stay at Michigan, you were a crappy advisor.  If you failed to impress upon him the seriousness of the decision that he was making by signing with you, which instantly ended his career as a student and athlete at Michigan, you'd have committed malpractice.

I hope every Michigan coach, every Michigan player, every parent and every member of the Michigan family has your name written down as someone who is a selfish shyster, an enemy of the Michigan football program, and one who should be avoided at all costs. 

You can argue that Warren is an adult, that he had advice and support and friends and counsel of his own, and that this was his decision to make.  That's all well and good.  But the guy who now has no explanation is Drew Rosenhaus.  He's the "professional."  He's the guy who, people are supposed to think, is so smart.  If Rosenhaus were such a good judge of NFL talent -- his business, he claims -- why didn't he counsel Warren; "There's a good chance you won't get drafted and might not make a roster..." ?  Why not, "Wait; there is some time.  You can do a couple of workouts that won't jeopardize your eligibility.  Think a while longer about this..." ?

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Bob Tabachino jersey

September 3rd, 2010 at 6:35 PM ^

i believe that the NFL has an "independent" (non-interested) panel to help college players evaluate their draft stock.

regardless, rosenhaus did not "advise" warren to run a 4.7 40 at the combine, and run even slower at pro day.  if he runs a 4.4, he becomes joe haden.  more reasonably, 4.55 gets him in where everyone projected.  (4.25, and al davis trades up to #1 to take him)

so unless you wanted rosenhaus to pull out a stopwatch and hold an audition for the right to be represented, you are misplacing the consequences of poor performance on the agent.  i am positive that if you asked warren what his combine 40 would be, he would not tell you "4.7, what can you do for me?"

the jets gave him a run at free safety, not because they're stocked at corner, but because he is too slow to play there in the pros.  if you really believe that superagent drew rosenhaus took time out of his important GTL day to make promises to a mid-round draft pick, you are looking for any excuse to absolve the 21 year old kid.

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Section 1

September 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 PM ^

Drew Rosenhaus loses nothing in this.  He was in it for a piece of Warren's contract, if Warren got signed.  Drew Rosenhaus now just goes on to the next group of Seniors and Juniors, bird-dogging for prospects.

Donovan Warren is, as you say, a 21 year old kid.  Who has now made a dreadful mistake.

But of course, as I say, I am not going to cry over Warren.  I'd just like to tell the next group of juniors and seniors with eligibility, to stay away from Drew Rosenhaus.  What a classy bunch of guys he represents, in any event... 

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evenyoubrutus

September 3rd, 2010 at 4:19 PM ^

I'm thinking there will be a news story soon about how RichRod went to the Jets staff and talked them into cutting him (of course that was after he did Warren the way he did Trent in the draft). 

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JC3

September 3rd, 2010 at 4:51 PM ^

For those just blaming Warren, yeah he messed up, but it goes beyond the players. There are so many players every year that are told "Yeah, you'll go in rounds 1-3!" and either don't get drafted or are 7th round picks.

RR said himself the papers from the NFL hadn't even come back yet before Donovan made his decision.. I want to see who all these guys are that are lying/misleading these college players. (Agents anyone?)

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jrt336

September 3rd, 2010 at 6:19 PM ^

He's probably wishing he could play tomorrow for us. It was a boneheaded decision. He was a good college DB, but I don't know who told him he'd be a 1st or 2nd round pick.

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