Coach Rodriguez on "The Herd", ESPN radio today
Not sure what exact time and it hasn't been announced by Colin yet. The show runs 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. EST. Anyone finds out, update/edit my post with the info. I gotta leave.
Enjoy.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/live/?callsign=ESPNRADIO
February 9th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^
February 9th, 2011 at 11:31 AM ^
It would be nice to see RR accept some of the responsibility for what went wrong instead of trying to come off like he was the victim. Seems like nothing is ever his fault. Everything bad happened to him was someone else's doing. Just go away RR, no one wants to hear it from you here. In three years I never heard him say, "Thats my fault" or "that's my responsibility". You know what Carr did after Oregon came in and pasted us? He stood up at the podium and said that the team wasn't ready to play, the team wasn't up for the game, and that it was ON HIM. He took responsibility for that game. That's why Carr had, and has, the respect of people inside UM and across the the country. RR should have taken notes on how to be a stand up guy.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^
If only you knew all the mean things that have been said about you on this site, Mr. May.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^
so you signed up just to make that brilliant point?
February 9th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
I'm just glad that this self-serving moron is gone. Let's stop talking about him. Let him go ruin some other school's program. He is a scheme guy. Never was a leader of men. Never will be.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^
Let's stop talking about him.
You are the one who signed up for this message board and used your first two posts to talk about Rich Rodriguez. That's neat.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:53 AM ^
Why do you feel the need to trash RR in such a way? Why call him a "self serving moron." Did he ever call you such names? What has he done to you personally that you harbor such venom towards the man.
Look, it is obvious that you believe that our program is better off going in a different direction. I personally agree with you. I don't think that another year of RR would have been productive, and I don't think that he did a good job while he was here.
But, thinking that RR wasn't a great fit for us (or even thinking that he is a crappy coach) is different than leveling personal attacks on the man. You can think that someone is not a good fit or good coach without attacking their person. I am sure that you have done jobs where you have not succeeded as you would like - did people trash you, calling you a bad person, a moron, a self-serving person?
February 9th, 2011 at 11:59 AM ^
Anti Dudeness.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
"It would be nice to see RR accept some of the responsibility for what went wrong instead of trying to come off like he was the victim."
"Just go away RR, no one wants to hear it from you here."
Which is it? Just looking for clarification.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^
I find it totally rediculous that mmay here has brought up something that is a valid point people are bashing him for it. This small legion of Rich Rod loyalists, seemingly only found on this website, will band together to support anything and everything he does/says no matter what.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
I don't think my (or anyone who posted a similar) view is "rediculous". People here don't get negged or hassled for making good points about RR's shortcomings. Posts saying that he both needed to hold himself accountable to Michigan fans and saying that he wants RR to leave him alone do.
I won't support RR if he comes out and says "My time here sucked I hate that place, if I could go coach at OSU I would." But so far he hasn't said anything resemblng that, and I challenge you to find evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence to back up your point or mmay's.
February 9th, 2011 at 2:15 PM ^
"People here don't get negged or hassled for making good points about RR's shortcomings."
Actually, that's exactly what happens here. The large point totals belong to loyalists. Hell, I even got negged 1000 (in one swipe) for merely quoting an insult of a former mod to me after I noted very fair points about some shortcoming of RR. I'm used to the way the blog works, and I'm still here...so I deal with it. But, if you think this blog is anything other than rabidly pro-RR (at the expense of anything else)...then it might just be because you're new to it.
February 9th, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^
I'm really not that new. I've been a reader for over a year and signed up in the middle of the season and have been commenting daily since. There are a lot of people with big point totals who are not rabid RR supporters.
The negging doesn't commence when someone points out that the tackling isn't technically sound, it usually gets nuts when people say things like "the spread offense is an embarrassment to the school" like one poster after the Gator Bowl.
The general feeling around here these days, at least among the "regulars" seems to be that everyone would have loved RR to have worked out, it'd be for the best if he did but now he's gone. Maybe throw in a little animosity towards DB for the way he fired RR and a little skepticism of Hoke, but overall I feel like the blog has swung into a fairly pro-Hoke atmosphere.
February 9th, 2011 at 2:27 PM ^
February 9th, 2011 at 2:44 PM ^
That is complete and total bullshit. Feel free to provide a quote when I said RR doesn't "get" our rivalries. You won't because you can't. I have said (many times) that RR didn't win the rivalry games (with the exception of ND), but I never said he didn't "get" them. Why make things up like that? It just makes you (and your argument) look bad.
I have never made fair points? Really? It wasn't fair to note the massive defensive attrition (and specifically list all players who left)? No? It wasn't fair to note how we stumbled as we hit the BigTen season? It wasn't fair for me to note that our scoring offense lagged well behind our yardage (and even lagged behind SDSU's scoring offense)? It wasn't fair for me to note the defensive woes (as we all noted)?
C'mon dude. Cut the bullshit. Don't pretend I said things that I didn't. This blog is simple...praise RR; get points (prior to the meltdown)...critique RR; lose points (prior to the meltdown).
February 9th, 2011 at 3:51 PM ^
Dancing on rr's grave with old guard lies = neg bomb
February 9th, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^
The blog is simple: make reasoned, well-supported statements, cut out the vitriol and personal attacks, and you'll be fine. Be an incendiary commenter and fill your posts with invective and sarcasm, and those in the "middle" are pushed to the other side of the debate by default, discount you as a messenger of your message, and are less likely to view your subsequent comments without bias. I, for one, have no problem with those who point out their issues with RR's tenure and do so in a rational way. Likewise for the other side. However, when people communicate they're ideas in the way you seem to regularly, no matter what side their on, well, then the negs come in waves.
February 9th, 2011 at 5:16 PM ^
I am with you I have no problem people criticizing Rich's tenure with valid reasoning (ie the overall record, record vs. Rivals, recruiting, compliance). What I have a problem with are the personal attacks against Rich's character or taking Rich's post-firing quotes out-of-context. I also have a problem with posters such as DahBlue who seem to believe you must be a RR slappy if you are not actively denigrating RR.
February 9th, 2011 at 3:30 PM ^
Bullshit. There was a fair amount of a fire rr opinion on here following the Ohio state game. Valid posts relying on actual game stats and recruiting results were plussed. Sophomoric posts typical of you and I were negged respectively. Right there is only a handful of posters dancing on rich's grave, which includes you.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^
I wonder about a guy who has been clear about his opposition to Coach Rodriguez before his firing posting this as a new thread which predictably turns into an argument about the past between supporters and non-supporters of Coach Rodriguez.
Of course, you were just putting it out there so people knew...
February 9th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^
Not going to get into whether Rich has been "classy" or not since leaving, but I will say this. Rich never took accountability and responsibility. The message was always, "I drew up the perfect plays and we just didn't execute." You won't hear that from Hoke. Another difference - Rich harped on "making progress." Hoke said if we don't win the Big Ten THIS YEAR we've failed. He understands the expectations at Michigan, regardless of who's on the roster.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:57 AM ^
Of the 39 comments currently in this thread, this is the first VALID criticism of have heard of RR's public comments.
I was continually frustrated by RR's "we just didn't execute well" comments. Yeah, Rich, we know, every time we lose the team didn't execute well. Why does that keep happening?"
I, too, was frustrated by the "we are close" and "we will improve, but the process isn't going as fast as we would like" comments.
I think that part of what doomed RR was his failure to really appreciate the expectations at Michigan. None of his prior stops came with such massive - if unrealistic - expectations, so I do not blame him for this.
February 9th, 2011 at 2:42 PM ^
Execution comes down to repetition and experience.
Every year we had a new, first-year starting quarterback.
in 2009 and 2010 we had young defenses that made a lot of mistakes.
In 2010, especially, when the defense just looked lost, we had a ton of young players who were not ready to play, due to the mass exodus and injuries (starting with Warren and finishing with Floyd.)
Even things like missed field goals and fumbles...what do you want a coach to do? Honestly, if you recruit a guy, who is an All-American (Gibbons), you expect him to make a 27 yard field goal. If you're a D1 recruit - fuck it, any level of college skill position player - you should already know how to hold onto the ball. This would be the equivalent of a high school student graduating and attending a university and being unable to read at a 9th grade level.
We did not have the experience to run an effective team last year and we still won 7 games. Add a year of experience....I liked our chances of improving.
February 9th, 2011 at 5:22 PM ^
"Even things like missed field goals and fumbles...what do you want a coach to do? "
Well hiring a special teams coach is a good start. And this what what Hoke did, because we didn't have one under RR.
"If you're a D1 recruit - fuck it, any level of college skill position player - you should already know how to hold onto the ball"
So why then are we recruiting players that can't hang on to the ball? Turnovers were an issue for RR entire tenure.
February 9th, 2011 at 5:46 PM ^
February 9th, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^
This is dumb. Do you know what Mike Tomlin said at halfiime of the Super Bowl? He said that the Steelers weren't executing in the first half and had to come out and play better. Izzo after we beat them said that UM executed better. In addition, everyone here was harping after every press conference after a loss about how they were sick of hearing the coaches say that they needed to prepare the kids better. You can fairly criticize that maybe RR wasn't the most tactful when he first came here in discussing the roster, but to say he never claimed responsiibility is dumb.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:56 PM ^
February 9th, 2011 at 2:43 PM ^
Typically, he'd say something like "We didn't execute, our special teams were better in practice, we've got a lot of holes, and we all need to do better, including the coaches..."
That's not really taking responsibility. Taking responsibility is "Yeah, we've got some hurdles. And everyone needs to do better. Ultimately, though, I'm the head coach. It's my responsibility. So I'm the guy you should be blaming."
That's what Bo and Lloyd would usually say. That's what Tressel says. It's what a coach ought to say. Sure, sometimes they strategically called the O or the D out. Mostly, though, the HC took responsibility.
February 9th, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^
bullshit
February 9th, 2011 at 12:19 PM ^
Does that make Hoke a liar or not responsible according to your logic?
BTW- Rich AND the team talked about winning the B10 all the time just like every coach in the conference did/does... Winning the conference is "coach speak" that they all use.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^
It wouldn't make him a liar or not responsible. Hoke just said it would be his failure.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:58 PM ^
But, I wanted to see what UM Indy's thoughts would be based on his RR evaluation criteria.
February 9th, 2011 at 1:02 PM ^
Ah, that went right over my head then.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
That, and the classic "we'll have to look at the tape" paired with "that NEVER happened in practice, so I don't know..."
Week after week after week after week.
February 9th, 2011 at 1:29 PM ^
Really? I like Coach Hoke, but he's just as capable of dodging accountability and responsibility as RR. In this post game interview he blames a loss on poor execution, poor tackling, the refs making a questionable call on a fumble, and perhaps even a little bit of injury to key players.
February 9th, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
Hoke would step in front of a speeding freight train to protect the image of the Michigan football program.
From here on out, he will UNDOUBTEDLY say and do all the right things.
:/
February 9th, 2011 at 4:01 PM ^
And here's one from Lloyd after we got our asses handed to us by Wisconsin where he talks about bad calls and youth and mistakes. If this were RR the haters would be talking about "excuses" and "ZOMG RR is throwing players under the bus."
February 9th, 2011 at 6:04 PM ^
Care to comment on this one?
This validly refutes basically everything you've said in this thread so far..............
February 9th, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^
Not so much.
A coach discussing shortfalls in one game is completely different from a coach blaming the previous coach for ongoing failures or, post-firing, saying that the AD doesn't know about football. It's also very different to say "we didn't execute" than "even Lombardi couldn't win these kids". So, no, refutes nothing. I'll give you this though...if Hoke does that after each game...then it's inappropriate and he deserves to be called out for it.
February 9th, 2011 at 7:39 PM ^
I would like you to provide an example of RichRod doing this after every game.
February 9th, 2011 at 11:56 AM ^
February 9th, 2011 at 11:58 AM ^
What do you have against shitbags?
February 9th, 2011 at 12:42 PM ^
February 9th, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^
with the title of "colin cowherd = shitbag. PLEASE!!!
February 9th, 2011 at 11:57 AM ^
We don't have to call him "Coach" Rodriguez anymore. Yes, he is a football coach, but he's not our football coach.
February 9th, 2011 at 12:27 PM ^
Coach is a term of respect for the man. He was our coach and still is a coach. Calling him "coach" just shows respect for what he has done. Not very many people get to coach at the level he has, he has earned that designation.
February 9th, 2011 at 1:00 PM ^
Suit yourself. Just my opinion.
February 9th, 2011 at 1:52 PM ^
People can refer to RR as "coach" whenever they want. You can call him whatever you want; it's sorta how things are done in America. If you want to go RCMB on RR, as so many are doing now in their mistaken perception that it "supports" Brady Hoke, go ahead. Others may prefer to call him "coach."
120-84-2 is certainly worthy of that title.
February 9th, 2011 at 6:19 PM ^
You don't have to go all "This is America" on me. I was just stating my opinion. You can take it however you want, but this is an opinion message board. To each their own.