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Brian

11/10/2014 – Michigan 86, Wayne State 43 – 0-0

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[Bryan Fuller]

Hey: basketball. I took in the exhibition, which exhibited various things I'll now detail.

Player things

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[Fuller]

I hope this was just nerves. Freshmen had a rough shooting night with the limited exceptions of Doyle and Dawkins, none more so than Chatman. He airballed his first two threes, took a bad, contested long two, and bricked a THJ-style pull-up long two; he did hit a three late.

On the good side, his other bucket was an impressive drive to the basket with a finish that made a lot of people look at their buddy so they could do this:

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He also added four assists and led the team in rebounding with six; he also looked capable of switching on the perimeter at least as effectively as GRIII.

Shooting was never a strength for Robinson—he developed an elbow jumper he was proficient at but hovered around 30% from three—so even if Chatman isn't a great threat from deep Michigan won't be backsliding too much. And Beilein believes he can coach up anyone's three point stroke.

DJ Wilson. Wilson's going to be an interesting case this year. He's skinny as all git out but with his size and hops he's going to be much better at altering shots than anyone on last year's team other than Horford. Michigan has been playing him mostly at the 5 with occasional forays at the 4, and while Doyle's lingering ankle thing has something to do with that you get the feeling that when opponents have a lanky dude in there Michigan is going to counter with Wilson.

I could have sworn Wilson hit two late threes but the box score only gives him credit for one. Foot on the line? Either way he mitigated some of the freshman shooting questions by hitting those late.

Aubrey Dawkins. Skinnier version of GRIII. Can shoot some, 6'6", athletic, not going to create much. Had some issues dribbling.

MAAR. Or "Rahk." Rahk appears to be Beilein's favorite way of saying Muhammad Ali Abdur-Rahkman without taking up nine syllables, and it has its appeal.

Anyway, MAAR has a much better handle than the rest of the freshman and is your third point guard. He had a nice take to the hoop that he followed with a layup that was way too hard; he had a second drive on which he'd gotten an angle to the bucket when his handle betrayed him and the ball looped out of bounds.

He ended up not hitting a shot; early yet.

Center fight. There are four options: Mark Donnal, Ricky Doyle, DJ Wilson, and Max Bielfeldt. I expect Doyle to emerge into a clear starter, with Donnal giving him a breather. The lack of pick and pop game with Donnal on the court says somethin' about somethin'.

Doyle is both one inch taller and somehow way bigger than Donnal. He seems to have considerably more defensive upside. He's also finished much better around the basket in the two glimpses we've seen of him this fall. Donnal has been a below the rim Morgan type without Morgan's crazy efficiency; Doyle is finishing with both hands easily because he's got those super-huge hands and long arms that allow him to gently deposit the ball on the glass from whatever angle is called for.

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This person looks like a person who will finish around the rim. [Fuller]

Wilson will rotate in at the 4 and the 5 depending on matchups and how Chatman's seemingly mercurial shooting stroke is going.

The returning folks. All looked pretty good minus some uncharacteristic three-point foibles (Irvin, Walton, Albrecht, and LeVert combined to go 3 for 12) that we can ignore because we have full-season samples for all those guys in which they hit 40% from deep.

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I got this [Fuller]

LeVert looked ready to take on the alpha dog mantle passed down from Burke to Stauskas and now to him. He's taking the late clock shots; his length and ability to get to good spots on the floor mean these are usually okay shots.

Irvin was much more active on the boards, hauling in five rebounds in 29 minutes, and even had shots from within the arc(!). On the podcast we discussed how Irvin needs to be a "three AND" guy this year, whether that's perimeter defense or rebounding or sometimes venturing inside the line. So far so good.

Walton was hampered by a scary-looking injury that turned out to be a cramp; he was very assured on the ball and got to the line seven times—would have been eight if not for the injury.

The rotation. Until such time as one of the freshmen gains enough trust to be put out there in pressure situations, expect the main backcourt sub to be Spike. Beilein's always kept a short bench and Albrecht's utterly reliable with the ball in his hands. This is Beilein's favorite thing. He'll spot Walton for eight minutes a game and then Michigan will have ten or so minutes with both points on the floor, leaving 5-10 minutes for MAAR and Dawkins to scrap over.

A lack of flow. You know it's early and you've got a bunch of freshmen when your guards have to keep yelling at the posts to screen for them. Michigan used its time on offense inefficiently, with several incidents where plays had to be reset because of poor spacing and miscommunication.

In particular, there was one play featuring DJ Wilson where Wilson had two obvious opportunities to drift to the three point line in the corner and either force someone out of the middle or get a good shot. Instead he hung out 15 feet from the basket and neither option opened up. He was far from the only culprit, but that stood out as a moment where I may have been more familiar with Beilein's system than freshman X—I blinked a couple times because I couldn't understand what Wilson was doing.

Beilein seems pretty frustrated right now:

"We don’t have a very good package in, and I’m trying to figure out how that’s happened,” Beilein said. “We held things back today so it’s not on film, but it’s not very far right now. We’re creeping along. We’re moving in the right direction, but it’s really slow.”

He added, “It’s my biggest quandary every day, is whether we can move forward faster. We spend so much time on defense, because we realize that shots aren’t (always) going to drop. It’s hard to believe that we went to Europe and we aren’t further along and we’re not moving as quickly as I would have in past years.”

This team isn't appreciably younger than either of his previous two, which were amongst the youngest in the country. Hopefully they get it figured out before the preseason tourney rolls around.

How to stay good

Michigan endured yet another talent exodus this offseason and has to regress from last year's all-time Kenpom offensive efficiency record. To maintain their elite level they're going to have to make it up in other places. Here are a few candidates.

Rebound some low-hanging fruit. Michigan's rebounding production out of the 3 and 4 spots last year was not impressive. 6'6" PF Glenn Robinson had a 6% OREB rate and an 11.5 DREB rate; 6'6" SF Zak Irvin had a 3.3% OREB rate and a 7.7 DREB rate. Irvin was in fact the least likely guy on the team to get a defensive rebound—even Spike Albrecht beat him out.

A selection of 6'7"-ish forwards in the Big Ten last year:

  • Troy Williams, IU: 8 OREB and 15 DREB
  • LaQuinton Ross, OSU: 7.5 and 17
  • Terran Petteway, NEB: 3 and 15
  • Shavon Shields, NEB: 5 and 16
  • Jon Ekey, ILL: 8 and 15
  • Aaron White, Iowa: 7 and 19
  • Melsahn Basabe, Iowa: 12 and 23
  • Branden Dawson, MSU: 13 and 21
  • Denzel Valentine, MSU: 5 and 18

(Should be noted that the Nebraska guys' OREB rates are a reflection of a team-wide allergy.) It isn't too hard to find guys with much better production. While Dawson and White are rebounding specialists who find a lot of their value as players in what happens when a shot caroms off the rim, no one is going to mistake Williams, Petteway, Valentine, or Ross for D-oriented role players.

Michigan can seriously beef up production here, and so far so good. Chatman led the team with six rebounds; Irvin had five.

Block some dang shots. Michigan had vanishingly little shotblocking on the team last year. Michigan was 308th nationally, and this contributed to their very bad two-point D.

The freshmen promise to change that. Wilson is long and bouncy and once Doyle settles in it's easy to see him getting his share of swats. His arms are oversized. Michigan had six blocks in this game, albeit against a highly undersized opponent. If Doyle and Wilson can block some shots, alter others, and convince drivers to pull up because of the first two items, that goes some distance towards repairing last year's conference-worst two point D.

Get some steals. Steals are great. Open-court turnovers lead to transition opportunities on which Michigan is deadly. Michigan had eight, with the sneaky Spike Albrecht picking up three.

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[Fuller]

Stay in front. We all love Nik Stauskas but his defense was never a strong suit; meanwhile Robinson was not awesome laterally and gave up some inches to most of the guys he was checking. Replacing Stauskas with Irvin could be a major upgrade—too early to tell yet—and having athletes like Chatman and Wilson who are close to GRIII's level while also being significantly longer should help the D recover from its swoon into the triple digits on Kenpom.

Hooray basketball. Hooray not being scoreless 30 minutes into the game.

Comments

OxfordBlue24

November 11th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

I know it's early, really early, but predictions on the roles the freshmen play as the season progresses and how they might develop as the season goes on? In Belien we trust, but his comments about how slow progress has been with this group scares me a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like freshmen we've seen in previous years usually look pretty good in opening games and we don't see many of their weak points come out until the competition gets tougher. For the record, I am not trying to be pessimistic; I am actually super stoked for the upcoming season, just figured I'd throw this thought out for the sake of conversation.


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AC1997

November 11th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^

I'm not sure if you're on to something or not, but I persoally am not too worried.  We will definitely see some growing pains with SEVEN freshmen, but that is part of the benefit too.  We need to cover two positions with freshmen - PF and C.  We can try any combination of the deep bench to fill those spots and aren't forced to give 30+ minutes to any one guy who isn't ready or is having a bad night.

AC1997

November 11th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

I don't ever expect a Beilein team to excel at defense given the complex offense they have to learn and the early turnover to the NBA we will now see apparently.  Teams that make defense their hallmark are more often full of upper-classmen (WI, MSU, VCU, etc.).  But you did touch on an interesting point that Stauskas and GR3 were poor defenders.  On top of that I don't think that McGary or Horford were particularly great either, though each had their moments.  In addition to the potential upgrade from Irvin/Chatman/Wilson you could also mention the advantage of having Rahk and Dawkins as athletes off the bench who could become effective defenders based purely on their athleticism and desire to earn minutes.  Finally, it is refreshing to have a bench deep enough to afford some fouls unlike the past few years.  We go 2-deep at every position and 4-deep at center if needed. 

mistersuits

November 11th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

It's going to be a growing pains year compared to the last two years of basketball we've been spoiled with. There will be ugly losses and they won't win any championships but they will make the tournament and are building towards a dynamite 2015 year.

Farnn

November 11th, 2014 at 2:07 PM ^

I tend to agree with this.  I don't see either Walton or Irving making the year 2 jump like Stauskas or Burke made and they will probably both be around next season as well.  Throw in sophomores Chatman, Doyle, Wilson, and Donnal plus senior Spike and you have a very talented top 6 with a lot of nice experienced players on the bench.  

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jdon

November 11th, 2014 at 8:18 PM ^

he looked good at the end of the year...

I've heard good things about his play in open gym...

and it is year two for a 1 under Beilien...

jdon

 

Michigan4Life

November 11th, 2014 at 5:30 PM ^

last year Michigan had huge growing pains that they never found their offense until B1G season started in which Stauskas asserted himself as the alpha dog while LeVert becomes an excellent complimentary piece to Nik. They had a baffling loss to Charlotte in which if they played each other again later in the sesason, Michigan would have blown them out.

This year, the issue will be whether if the freshmen can learn quickly enough to maximize the offensive potential they have on the team.  We already know our #1 option and #2 option which is LeVert and Irvin respectively.  Walton will need to find a balance between being aggressive but pull back and let other take over.

carlos spicywiener

November 11th, 2014 at 2:12 PM ^

Was hoping to hear a little more chatter about Aubrey Dawkins. What's his ceiling? What can we expect Beilein to turn him into? is he simply going to be a not-quite as athletic, teasingly-inconsistent GR3?

Also, Doyle, IMO, may have been the most important recruit in the class. Potential to be a shutdown center on defense.

ypsituckyboy

November 11th, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^

Was at the game last night. I thought the difference between Donnal and Doyle on defense was pretty noticeable (in Doyle's favor). Wayne State's center backed Donnal down a few times and it didn't look particularly difficult to do so. Doyle, on the other hand, seems more in the mold of Jordan I-will-not-relinquish-any-of-this-low-block-real-estate Morgan. Doyle also corraled rebounds a lot better, and that seemed to be due mainly to his strength. I think Doyle is your starter sooner rather than later.

As to defense, the freshman had a number of glaringly bad exchanges in high-pick situations. One in particular stood out - 2nd half, Wilson hits a 3, comes back down, totally loses his man on D after a pick, and his guy buries a 3 to counter. Hopefully those kinks are worked out by mid-season.

 

ish

November 11th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^

i'm very concerned that this analysis fails to factor in levert's significant hair improvement.  last year's was pretty bland.  he's showing some significant hair potential early in the season this year.

Otisthebigdog

November 11th, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^

 I thought we were outmanned last year, turns out we could beat anyone in that final four. I'd say the health of Walton and LaVert looks like the biggest worry for me right now.

ca_prophet

November 11th, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^

But I have no worries about not being good. We will be well-coached, but that doesn't mean freshmen won't be frustrating; it means they'll likely improve as the year goes on. What I am not hopeful about is being an elite eight team again. Those teams are built on one-and-done talent or talent with experience, and as much as I like Caris I don't see him as a NPOY candidate. Still, we should get an enjoyable season and end up with a team that is gelling, promising a brighter future. All Hail Coach!

UMaD

November 11th, 2014 at 3:27 PM ^

Maybe someone can explain it to me, but I don't get why it matters who gets DRB.  Our 3 and 4 guys will likely get more share than last year because Morgan was so good at what he did and Donnal/Doyle/Bielfeldt/Wilson won't replicate it.  Does that necessarily mean we'll be better as a team at rebounding it?

D is unquestionably the area where this team can improve.  As Brian mentioned, Irvin replacing Stauskas is a huge area for potential improvement.  I'd be shocked if Chatman and Dawkins can replicate GR3's effectiveness on D. There's reason to hope the perimeter D will improve enough to mitigate, but Morgan and GR3 will be missed.

We should probably just start referring to him as "the underappreciated GR3".  If the guy was a 3-star recruit I think the narrative would be a lot different, but expectations change things.  The assertion that he'll be easily replaced by freshman who are slightly longer than him is baffling to me. If either guy can play 34 minutes of solid D, be a terror on the fast break, and shoot above 50%, I'll be very pleasantly surprised.  It'll be hard to disentangle how much regression is due to Morgan or GR3, but it'll be there.

The other area of improvement is potentially even better spacing.  If Donnal, Doyle, or Wilson can space the floor that will give this team the potential to have 5 shooters on the floor at once - something we haven't seen since Smotrycz was used as a 5.

alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 6:45 PM ^

Expecting some early season and mid season struggles and some ugly losses here and there - the trip to Arizona looks to be extremely challenging.  But by late January this will look like a whole different team and by early March a team no one will want to play in the tournament even if its just a round of 32 or sweet 16 type team ultimately which I imagine barring miracles it will be.  They will keep us entertained, have some big wins, and player development will be an expectation not a search for Waldo.   Because #coaching.

Donnal is the 1 guy I am worried about - just seems to struggle inside, and I think he is a misplaced 4 trying to play 5 due to need.  I dont know how good of a 4 he is but seeing him struggle against Wilson in the open practice and against Wayne State types for positioning, offense, etc inside doesn't bode well.  He has been with the team a full year now so that he is still struggling probably points to a career in the Horford vein which would be fine but not near the hype we heard last May.  Everyone else - man they are so raw, they are going to be completely different players come Febraury.  Remember Caris... he was going to redshirt at this point a few years back.

UMaD

November 11th, 2014 at 7:34 PM ^

I'd be surprised if anybody runs us off the court. Not with Caris-Zak-Derrick-Spike healthy.  Agree otherwise.  We'll get better.

I'm on the same page wrt Donnal.  Everybody else we hear great things about.  Zak-Derrick-Caris on leap-alert.  Spike upping his leadership and defensive aggressiveness.  Doyle, Wilson, Chatman, Dawkins all bring a freshman-ready skill that Beilein can plug into the mix, even with their inexperience and limitations.  Donnal is the one guy who is behind where you'd want him to be.

Not a problem really, he's just a red-shirt freshman but we've been spoiled with a lot of instant-contributors lately.