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Come on...you know you want to.
I'll start: Glen Steele likes Brady Hoke more than you do-
"Coach Hoke has a defensive mind-set, he's a defensive guy, and he loves to coach — he loves what he's doing and being around the guys," said Glen Steele, a defensive end on Carr's 1997 national championship team, which had Hoke as its defensive line coach.
"I'm a huge supporter of Coach Hoke. When you're looking for someone to come in and address where this team is and where it could be, I don't think there's any better guy."
"It's hard to characterize him because he's such an overall good guy," Steele said. "But he knows when to kick it up, and he also knows when to say to a player: 'Hey, we've got to re-focus and get this done.'
"With coaches, there's always a point where screaming and yelling and getting guys fired up is important, and then there's the time when you say: 'Hey, we're all in this together and we've gotta pick it up.' With a coach like him, you don't have to throw fuel on the fire. Players wantto play for him."
(From the dreaded Henning article that Brian linked from the DetNews)
Don't feel you have to talk about Hoke. Open CC/Brandon/everything ever other thread is.
Anyone subjecting themselves to the GoDaddy.com Bowl with (nt)Miami and MTS?
January 6th, 2011 at 10:17 PM ^
coaching in the MAC and the MWC.
Why can't I say he's not a good coach?
January 6th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
Into winners when he was coaching them? Because he's never been fired? Because people who actually know something about football disagree? You can say he's not good enough for the Michigan job. But to say he's not a good coach isn't really in evidence.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:29 PM ^
When he took over Ball State he went 4-8, 2-9, 4-7, 5-7, 7-6 in his first 5 years. How is that turning a program around? Ball State was 6-6 the year before Hoke took over! The program was worse in his first 5 years than it was the year before he got there.
And then he had one bad year at SDSU, and then one decent year where he beat a bunch of 3-9 teams, Air Force and Navy.
To say he is a good coach is to hang your hat entirely one season out of 8.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
When the previous one said "we don't even know if he's a GOOD coach". But wisely edited.
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<br>Which I needed to do to change "dicky" back to "sucky". (autocorrect liked "duchy" this time)
January 6th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
I didn't edit a thing.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:29 PM ^
In the time it took to post it, like 7 others popped up in between it. The last one just happen to be yours, so it looked like I had replied to that (a different post) because they're all in one column after bring pushed over in the App.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:13 PM ^
I would say the worry is his quoted inflexability on offense. I know RR got a lot of heat for not being flexible with the change, but he had one returning starter when he took over. The new coach will be inhearting 10 returning starters if you count the presumed Hygue/Dorrenstein takeover at tackle. And when one of the returners in the Big Ten offensive player of the year, inflexability with these skills will spell disaster.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:01 PM ^
Whoever the coach is, has about 26 days to put a class together. "Sexy" may not affect his ability to coach, but it will affect his ability to recruit. And if we want to salvage a semi-decent class, we need to grab one of the well known, if not "sexy" coaches
January 6th, 2011 at 10:07 PM ^
Exactly. That is why it is go big or go home. We need a big name coach who can come in here and catch the recruits eye. Perception is everything and we need to look like a program that is on the up and up. The Hoke hire to me screams status quo and will not win many recruits over even if it gives a couple of 70 year old men a boner because we hired a true Michigan man.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^
but think of how hard it is to give 70 year old men a boner!
January 6th, 2011 at 10:10 PM ^
and let's face it, it's not like most 70 year old men can even get a boner, so why bother
January 6th, 2011 at 10:12 PM ^
Hiring Hoke means we're settling for mediocrity. Given how the fanbase responded to RR's three years, I can't imagine the uproar if he is the one hired.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:17 PM ^
I was willing to consider Hoke until DB said he'd open the purse strings. No way you can hire Hoke if you're willing to pay top 5 salary.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:32 PM ^
I do agree
January 6th, 2011 at 10:02 PM ^
fuck no. i dont care who the coach is as long as denard stays on board and i feel hoke would be the guy to let him slip through his fingers. then, when we're 6-6 and 7-5, people crucify hoke and DB for letting denard go. Plus he thinks the spread is "counter-productive". FUCK THAT SHIT.
/michiganfanonjan6
January 6th, 2011 at 9:53 PM ^
January 6th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^
January 6th, 2011 at 9:54 PM ^
From Hang Time. Hopefully we can snag him from the Deering Tornadoes.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:35 PM ^
We need the White Shadow
January 6th, 2011 at 10:48 PM ^
hell yes. salami would make an awesome oc too. thorpe, coolidge, curtis jackson. there's a staff. pipeline to LA to boot.
January 6th, 2011 at 9:55 PM ^
Not that I watched College Football Live today or anything.... but I really want our defense to be based around Mike Martin. This years scheme used him as a crutch, trying to force double teams on him in hopes of compensating for lack of play makers. I would rather make him a huge factor by getting him one on one. I really think that after a year our corners can hold up a lot better by being moved near the line and in theory less time chasing the receivers. I think we can generate a good pass rush with Roh off the edge and Martin one on one, and that would go a long way towards getting Robinson settled in at the deep safety and helping our corners mature. Who can do that? I have no idea, this thread was just vague enough to throw that in there.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:16 PM ^
This would allow MM to get more single blocking. They just need a space-eating 1-tech DT to absorb some C/G combos. MM would have the other guard, with the tackles having to deal with Roh and RVB on the edges. I can see MM having a Suh-like impact in the middle. This would help our LB's not eat OG's and our secondary by getting pressure on the QB.
Now, where's that 300lb space-eating 1-tech DT...
January 6th, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
Pray that he is on campus and his name is Quentin Washington.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:32 PM ^
QWash or Ash or Talbott or...Will Campbell back to DL...or prayers at this point. Maybe the new coach gets us involved in some other DT's and gets them on campus.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:32 PM ^
On offense now?
January 6th, 2011 at 9:56 PM ^
big boy football teams, his record is OK. His record the last couple of years reminds one of RR in that he has been impressive the last two years, but against weak competition. I fear a repeat of the last three years and we end up here again. And this, there are rumors he wants to hire his brother as a coordinator or at least an assistant. That is a deal breaker and epic fail. That is equivalent to RR and Tony Gibson. RR would never fire him because of their friendship. Hoke would never fire his own brother. SCARY.
Taking JH out of the mix, leaves me ...empty. MIles is crazy, Patterson would never leave TCU now that he is in a AQ conference, Peterson would do the post-Boise fail. I just can't look, wake me when Spring practice starts.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^
RR teams beat #3 Va Tech, Georgia and Oklahoma (immediately after he left). And while the Big East wasn't great while Rodriguez was there, it was nowhere near as weak as the competition Hoke has faced at Ball State and SDSU.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:11 PM ^
The Big East certainly was "near as weak" as the Mountain West was this year.
TCU, Utah, and Air Force certainly would have competed in the Big East and TCU almost certainly would have won it.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:16 PM ^
and SDSU went 9-4 with its most impressive win over Air Force.
At WVU, in a conference that was still probably stronger top to bottom than the MWC was this year, RR went 9-4, 8-5, 8-4, 11-1, 11-2 and 10-2 with wins over Georgia, Va Tech, Oklahoma, and ranked Pitt, Louisville, Georgia Tech and Rutgers teams.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:19 PM ^
And let's not forget that before Hoke's last season, Ball State's best record was 7-6 in five years....
January 6th, 2011 at 10:30 PM ^
For not fetishizing recent success in a wobbly conference.
Rodriguez looked like a great hire back in 2007. But we know now that a good portion of the credit for WVU's success goes to Jeff Casteel, and some to the weakness of the Big East. So we should learn from that and not give the head coach candidates all the credit when a good portion probably should go to the coordinator on the other side of the ball, or think that just because so-and-so did a great job there, he'll do one here too.
I think we should prioritize someone who can build the right staff to use what we have and improve what we don't.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:33 PM ^
he didn't just look like a good hire. He was probably the best hire Michigan could have made at that point in time given who was available.
And it didn't work out. Which sucks. Shit happens, and a coaching hire isn't a guarantee, it's just a probability of future success.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:38 PM ^
I think he was a good hire also but with the lack of support this job was impossible.
January 7th, 2011 at 6:07 AM ^
January 6th, 2011 at 9:56 PM ^
1) Pelini
2) Gruden
3) Patterson
4) Sparano
January 6th, 2011 at 10:00 PM ^
5) other
January 6th, 2011 at 10:27 PM ^
January 6th, 2011 at 10:34 PM ^
I wanted to +1 this and couldn't.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^
Any of the top 3
January 6th, 2011 at 10:05 PM ^
I read somewhere that Gruden turned down a $7 mil offer from Miami.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
Talent would run to a proven nfl coach.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^
Gruden
January 6th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
The first three on that list don't make me cringe.
Sparano's coaching experience in college extends to [formerly] Division I-AA and Division II.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:24 PM ^
Then keep looking.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:32 PM ^
I'll take a number 3 please, with extra Rose Bowl wins and a side of Brett Bielema's pride.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:36 PM ^
Les Miles (HC) w John Chavis (DC)
January 6th, 2011 at 9:57 PM ^
Mike Hart and Brandstatter in ESPN article. I can't post new so here it is.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:28 PM ^
I still love Mike Hart. Can't wait until he gets his coaching experience and is a candidate in 20 years.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:35 PM ^
Great post. Mike Hart's words should be put on top of this blog. If there ever was or is a Michigan Man, Mike Hart is it. For more than just his on field performance, but for his loyalty and his warrior mentality.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^
I LOVE the complete social and societal breakdown the board has when it's not working!