Semi-OT: Tom Brady greatest ever discussion

If you want mechanics, charisma, and a rifle arm, Manning is your man.  If you want a winner who knows how to get to the Super Bowl and win, then Brady has to get the nod.  Can we use Giselle as a "tie-breaker?"

Joe Montana:

4 Super Bowls, 4 Super Bowl wins, 11 TD, 0 picks in those 4 SBs. Two of those SBs before Jerry Rice.

Tom Brady has had a wonderful, outstanding career, but if there's a big game to be won, I want Joe Montana under center over any other QB I've seen over the last 30 years (I'm 36 and I'm not about to start lecturing about Bradshaw, Unitas, etc.)

How can you have this discussion, today, without mentioning DREW STANTON?

Honorable mention, at least.

that Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady and I love Tom Brady.

Peyton Manning's playoff numbers are much better than most people realized.

I don't consider Super Bowl rings when in discussion for greatest QB of all time because it's a function of a team rather than individual.  It takes 22 players on both side of the field to win a Super Bowl, not 1.

I think Brady's got a more impressive resume than Manning. Once you get passed the fact that Manning has 50+% more career attempts than Brady their numbers are strikingly similar. If you look at completion %, td %, int % and yards per play they're nearly identical. Once you factor in that Manning has had more weapons, plays in a dome and Brady's vastly superior playoff performance (not only 2 more Super Bowls, but 5 less flameouts in the first round) you have to go with Brady.

It's amazing how close Brady got to not even having this be a debate. If the Pats had finished the perfect season there would not even be a discussion as to who the greatest quarterback ever is.

I have to agree 150%.  I just love the fire he shows when he tries to pull the team up.  I think this is one intangible that you cannot measure until the players time has passed.  He oozes leadership.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5D_TMGwjk

I'll take Brady all day. He wins with less talent then Peyton.

.......on the argument between Brady and Manning.

1. Manning does not have a rifle for an arm. He is merely average at best for arm strength, or does no one wonder why no long passes(like Brady or Brees)?

2. Brady, in a 15-20mph windy snowstorm, with snow covering the field, and gusts up to 30mph, goes 27-40 for 369 yds and 2 TDs against a decent defense. Does anyone here seriously think that Manning could have done anything even remotely similar? I didn't think so.

3. Brady has 3 rings and was respectable in his loss with 266yds, 1TD/0Int. Manning has 1 ring and his SB loss stats are 333yds, 1TD/1INT(a big int on what could have been a game-winning drive. Typical Manning).

Manning has always been regarded as a very good QB who couldn't ever win the big game until he won his first SB. Brady was always regarded as a good QB who was as clutch as they come when it came to the big games.

And, I will never, ever, root or like Manning for what his college coach did in 1997 simply because Woodson won the Heisman over Manning. Fair or not, I don't care, and that's the way it will be.

... I love Tom Brady, but you guys are being way too one sided.  Now, close your eyes and imagine you grew up and went to Tennessee.  Would you still look at Superbowls as the number 1 factor?  No, you'd look at total output, league MVPs, etc...  Point is, they are both two of the greatest in the history of the sport.  There is really no way of convincingly arguing one vs. the other. 

Tom is always On Topic.  Er, isn't that "OT"?  Anyway, discussion of MICHIGAN MEN even after they left UM is "not off topic" nor "not semi-off topic."  To me, anyway.  What do I know, I used to have 300 points and got negbanged to death once.

Is Favre on top of this page, smiling at me?

is definitely the more clutch quarterback. What's interesting to me is that Brady has had far better defenses, while Peyton has had way more high-octane weapons to work with for longer. How does one handicap for that in comparing their greatness? Also, neither has had an elite (or even better-than-mediocre) running game to rely on (except when Mike Hart is in for the Colts, of course).

They're both remarkable talents, and while Peyton will make a much more fearsome run at the record books, Brady will retire with more rings. This isn't a Bill Walton/Wilt Chamberlain debate either, as Peyton has fared quite well against Brady's Pats in head-to-head match-ups.

It's a great debate, though if I ever had my life depend on winning one football game with a team assembled of my choice, Brady would be QB-1. Still, neither is really indisputably better than the other, at least in this stage of their careers.