UAUM

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:19 PM ^

I wasn't looking for some pregame rah rah speech, and I'm not suggesting he's a bad person or coach, but he could have been a little bit more forward looking.  If you've heard a good leader speak before you know it.  They speak of their vision, not of how their "wife likes nice things."

I thought Lloyd's time was done when it was done, but he did impress me with how he inspired his players.  This Rudyard Kipling poem below is powerful and Lloyd's teams recited it every week.  Maybe that's why they were able to pull off upsets - because they were inspired.  RR doesn't seem to have a knack for upsets, and this may be part of the reason.

Nonetheless, I support keeping RR as our coach and think that DB is hamstringing him with this limbo shit.  DB totally fucked up with the Dee decommitt.   That's all on his shoulders.

MarcM

December 3rd, 2010 at 12:31 PM ^

as someone who has been debating whether or not he should lead this program going forward to all the important people; friends, the dog, coffee tables, etc, i'm now more than ever sure he's the man for the job. A tremendous speach, especially how he tied the theme of "raising up" into player development off the field-how many coaches really care about that? We're lucky enough to  have one of the few. He isn't the most eloquent speaker, but the passion and theme ring true. Maybe his speach sold me, but I haven't bought anything lately from any door to door salesmen or converted my religion after a doorbell ring, so I'm gonna stick with my guns.

Nothing about this was a plea, simply heartfelt. Having been portrayed as a sort of country bumpkin rolling in here from west virginia, i think he's a completely different man then when he was first introduced at the helm. He hasn't been perfect, and he has made mistakes, but i will take him leading our program over a man like urban meyer, nick saban, or d'antonio any day of the week, even if it meant a difference in the overall w/l total.

Coach Rodriguez, I'm a believer.

KinesiologyNerd

December 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 PM ^

If I was there, I personally would have said "lol wut?" when the song was played, but hey to a lot of people they really like that song and find it inspirational and all that jazz.

With that said, I will bare-fist fight anyone who thinks it reflects negatively on our coach/program.

csam1490

December 3rd, 2010 at 2:10 PM ^

I'd have to take you up on it. I'm in favor of giving Rodriguez one more year, notwithstanding this gaffe with this song. But have you ever been forced to listen to a really loud melodramatic ballad by someone who is moved by every word of the song? It's mortifying. What do you do? Do you make eye contact? Nod sagely like you get what the person is trying to say by playing this specific song for you?

It's another piece of evidence that Rodriguez is totally - pardon the pun - tone deaf when it comes to media relations. Should his public-relations ineptitude reflect negatively on our program? Probably not. Does it? Yep.

bluenyc

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:02 PM ^

Most people get emotional because it is heartfelt.  People complain about somone being too emotional or not emotional enough.  It's all crap.  For me, I love it that he is emotional.  You know he cares about his job. 

fair warning

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:08 PM ^

--apologies for running a bit long--

Yes, richrod lost me for a good while around the time of the PSU game and for most of the time since.  As this coaching controversy reaches an operatic pitch, I figured I could either stare at my imaginary what-would-bo-do bracelet or I could self-medicate by cracking open the oldie but goodie biography, "Bo." Bo's last fall of coaching was my freshman year at M so I got a glimpse of the final flickering embers of the legendary era.  As I read the top of page 29 of the book, I couldn't help but smile--my criticism of our coach was being challenged by the contents of a book that predates this controversy by 20 or so years.  To paraphrase would be an injustice.  Therefore, allow me to quote:

"The Northwestern experience was interesting because here we were, working under one of the greatest minds in college football, Ara Parseghian, and yet in 1957, my second year there, we lost every game we played.  Every single game.  We were 0-9, the only losing team I ever coached.  How did it happen?  The talent wasn't there.  And we had no leadership amonst the seniors.

"And yet, as wierd as this sounds, that might have been Ara's finest year of coaching--only because, through all of those defeats, he never cracked, he never made his coaches feel inferior, and he never stopped trying new things.  I never met anyone with that kind of football imagination....During meetings after each loss, Ara would say to us, 'Listen, I know this isn't a great year.  But you guys are not to blame.  We'll get through this.  We will turn it around.'"

That passage struck me.  The perspective it gives leaves me less critical of a coach who is encountering similar circumstances and appears to be dealing with them in an equally admirable way.  In the end, however, whether Rich Rod, Rich Little, James Harbaugh or James Brown is caoching M, I still say...

Go Blue!

Tim Waymen

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^

I don't know how these things are, but was it an appropriate speech for a bust?  Was RR making it too much about himself?  This is not a rhetorical question--I don't know.  Then again, could RR really be expected to speak and not allude to anything that's going on?  He did connect his speech to the past, and it was mostly about coaching in general.

Regardless, just announce that RR is staying already goddammit!  I really don't want him leaving.

Don

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^

Those who are old enough are very familiar with how outraged Bo was when Illinois fired Gary Moeller after three years, and most UM fans were gleefully reveling in the beatdowns we put on Illinois after Mo returned to the Michigan staff. The fact that most of us felt that Moeller hadn't gotten a fair shake of course was a big component in our reaction to those victories. This was in spite of the fact that Moeller's three-year record of 6-24-3 was measurably worse than his Illinois predecessor Bob Blackman, whose final three years at Illinois were 16-16-1.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-12-14/sports/8903170992_1_illin…

"When Gary Moeller was about to be fired as head coach at Illinois in 1979 with two years remaining on a five-year contract, one of the most outspoken critics of the dismissal was his mentor, Bo Schembechler.

"The university is responsible to honor the contract," Schembechler said of Moeller's imminent firing. "Now the university seems to be saying: 'We can get rid of him anytime we want.' That's typical of how they work. And that's not good.""

Different times, different universities, different standards.

 

 

Don

December 3rd, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^

Yes, White was much more successful than Moeller was. White was a smart coach, but he was also a bit of a sleazeball, eventually landing Illinois on probation. Which in turn only served to confirm Bo's judgement—and anger—in the eyes of lots of people.

El Jefe

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:19 PM ^

Not everyone hates Rich just because they want him gone.  He just isn't or will never be a Michigan Man in most peoples eyes outside of MgoBlog.  Everyone knows he was 4th choice and when Lloyd retired it wasn't done the right way.   

The University of Michigan should've had a replacement lined up way before Rodriguez was hired, but they got cocky and just assumed that Miles would pick up and leave for AA whenever they wanted him.

I think alot of people just feel sorry for Rich and how he was treated including myself.  When you listen to the audio from last night, you can tell he and his family are really good people.  All i'm saying is not EVERYONE hates the guy,  they just want to see a true Michigan Man and traditon restored back in AA.

Things did get off to a bad start and most of us defended him through thick and thin.  I just have to say, it took me awhile, but I just do not feel he is the right man for the job.  I know alot of Alumni and they are definately wanting the change to come ASAP.  DB has alot of pressure and things on his plate making this decision, but I trust he will do the right thing for the University of Michigan.

MGoJen

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 PM ^

I can't imagine the baggage Coach Rod carries with him and the tremendous pressure he's under day in and day out.  It seems like just about everything has been a battle since the day he stepped foot in Ann Arbor.  Consequently, I don't think it's just to make fun of a guy who's probably been through the three most emotionally-taxing years of his life. 

I thought it was a really, really great speech.  He gets emotional when he starts to talk about his family and what they've been through.  I got emotional as he developed the analogy between the song and his players, coaching staff and Michigan fans.  He probably could have done without playing the actual audio at the end (I think that's the part that tipped a very heart-felt, sincere speech toward "OMG RR has lost it!" fodder.

Baloo_Dance

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:25 PM ^

Good speech, I like the guy, and I don't think he got a fair shake. 

I want to see him succeed at Michigan.

 

But the Groban thing is just a total total total facepalm....facepalm of the year.

 

IF he gets the boot, I would not be shocked to see an exodus of players follow him to his new school.

jml969

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 PM ^

First of all- thanks for posting this. 

I think his speech was certainly appropriate as well as the song. I'm not a fan of Groban but the lyrics in of itself certainly are poetic. I don't see how RR gets flamed for this ( from what I've heard on WTKA callers). 

Ben from SF

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:45 PM ^

First of all, let me preface this.  I support Rich Rodriguez's return to Michigan for 2011, and I support an extension for Rich Rodriguez to lock down recruiting.  Our performance this year suggests that we are close to turning the corner, and Dave Brandon is available to counsel, consult, and keep the program on track.

However, the bust belongs to the seniors and the honored guests.  A more subdued, less salesy presentation would dispell the notion that RR thinks he is bigger than the program.  I think RR has learned a lot about the humble, team first culture Michigan preaches; but, this speech shows that there is more work to be done, more lessons to be shared.

As Mitch Albom writes in that SI article "The Courage of Detroit",

We want to scream, but we don't scream, because this is not a screaming place, this is a swallow-hard-and-deal-with-it place. So workers rise in darkness and rev their engines against the winter cold and drive to the plant and punch in and spend hours doing the work that America doesn't want to do any more, the kind that makes something real and hard to the touch.
RR does not need to sell us using fancy songs and a "Praise the Lord" show.  He needs to be humble, accept counsel from Dave Brandon, and turn us around one game at a time!

zippy476

December 3rd, 2010 at 2:02 PM ^

2004 Presidential Election.

Just listened to the audio.....what an embarrassment. This guy has got to stop crying all the time.

uferfan1

December 3rd, 2010 at 2:04 PM ^

Class all the way, critcism of that speech is baseless. Next year we compete for the Big Ten championship,whoever is coach. The schedule and talent returning have already determined that, this is a good man and a good coach. Taught by Don Nehlan who I would like to have up here to speak, who was taught by Bo. You will never see RR show up another coach like you never saw Bo show up another coach. That is a Michigan Man, we may be called arrogant but that is because we dont show up coaches, they dont say or do things to make themselves bigger than the program. It  bothers me when I hear such desire to bring in a coach who has that characteristic as a trademark and we all know who that is. If he ends up here it will never again be about the team but rather a opportunity for folks to look at ME ME ME. 

jmblue

December 3rd, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^

I appreciate the sentiment behind it, but playing that song is just . . .  too much.   The coach isn't supposed to be the centerpiece of the Bust.   

Ghost of Bo

December 3rd, 2010 at 3:25 PM ^

The public's reaction to this speech proves that the disappointment of the past three seasons, trepidation about the future of Michigan, and concern for the welfare of our student athletes are all overshadowed by the fact that people really fucking hate Josh Groban.

jim48315

December 3rd, 2010 at 6:48 PM ^

"It's my great honor and privilege to be here tonight with members of the great 1985 team and with tonight's honorees and a great senior class. 

"The 1985 team had a great year, ending with a 10-1-1 record and a number 2 ranking, notwithstanding that they weren't ranked in the preseason top 20.  I'm proud to be here and humbled to know I share something with such a great group of Michigan men.  Here, too, are Coaches Moeller and Hanlon, and let me tell you, they are tough acts to follow.

"Everyone knows about Denard Robinson's great play this year, and he was great and I am expecting he will get even better.  He truly deserves to have won the Bo Schembechler Award.   Steve Schilling is the first three time winner of the Hugh Rader award, which he and Dave Molk, who came back from a tough injury,  share for the 2010  season. Jonas Mouton and Mike Martin are deserving winners of the Roger Zatkoff and Dick Hatcher  defensive awards. Mark Moundros, one of our co-captains, won the Robert P. Ufer Award for being the player most like the late, great Bob Ufer in his enthusiasm and love for our great University.

"We're also all proud of Zac Ciullo, who is this year's recipient of the Dr. Arthur Robinson Award for scholarship.  Zac will be at Michigan's Law School next year.  While Zac didn't play as much as some others, he is a valuable member of our team and it has been my great privilege to have worked with such a fine young man.

"These young men are especially distinguished because every young man in the program is special, and for anyone to stand out from such a great group takes quite some doing.

"I wish there was time to  name all of  the great seniors  who made this year special for me and the staff, and who provided invaluable leadership to the younger men on the team.  Every one of them deserves praise for the success we have enjoyed this year.  I know they wanted, and deserved, even more success, but any shortcomings are my fault, and not theirs.  All of them have inspired me and the staff to work harder so they may enjoy even more success in the future, and so they may share in the joy of seeing the next generation of Michigan men do well on the field.  And trust me, the hard work all these young Michigan men have done will earn them success, both on the football field and in life.

"Tonight is about all of the young men on our team and in our program, each and every one of them, whether he's an All American,  a starter,  a member of our scout team, or a student manager.  Because they all work so hard and all of them are essential to any success the team has.  Let's have a big round of applause for all of those fine young men.

"And tonight is also about honoring the past.  Specifically we honor a great team of 25 seasons ago.  But we also honor the traditions and the love everyone in the Michigan community has for a great University and great teams, and great people.  I am blessed to have been accepted into that community, and I pledge to do my best to be worthy of that honor.

"And, so, to celebrate a great group of seniors and the great 1985 team, let's all rise and join in singing The Victors ! "

Didn't it?