A history on how Michigan Basketball used to recruit

Submitted by Maizen on

Per Hoopscoop. Rankings began in 1983. For the purpose of this post I'm not including any signees outside the top 100. This should give a good overall view of basketball recruiting before the Amaker/Ellerbe years. I included Ellerbe's 1999 class to show that Michigan still had some cache' despite looming sanctions and atrocious facilities. Would be interested if anyone could find anything before 1983. I'm sure guys like Tarpley, McCormick, Hubbard, etc were all highly acclaimed coming out of high school.

1983: Antoine Joubert (#25 overall), Quincy Turner (#64 overall), Garde Thompson (#81 overall)

1984: Gary Grant (#11 overall)

1985: Glen Rice (#6 overall), Loy Vaught (#20 overall)

1986: Terry Mills (#2 overall), Rumeal Robinson (#5 overall)

1987: Sean Huggins (#12 overall), Kirk Taylor (#37 overall), Chris Seter (#52 overall)

1988: No Top 100 players

1989: Sam Mitchell (#42 overall), Tony Tolbert (#44 overall), Michael Talley (#64 overall)

1990: No Top 100 players

1991:Chris Webber (#1 overall), Juwan Howard (#3 overall), Jalen Rose (#6 overall), Jimmy King (#9 overall), Ray Jackson (#84 overall)

1992: No Top 100 players

1993: Bobby Crawford (#19 overall), Oliver St Jean, Makhtar Ndaiye

1994: Jerod Ward (#1 overall), Maceo Baston (#16 overall), Maurice Taylor (#18 overall), Willie Mitchell (#19 overall)

1995: Robert Traylor (#4 overall), Louis Bullock (#11 overall), Albert White (#16 overall)

Sidenote re: 1995. Kevin Garnett was the #1 ranked player and there were substantial rumors he would have come to Michigan if his coach and not "misplaced" his qualifying SAT score.

1996: No Top 100 players

1997: Brandon Smith (#63 overall)

1998: No Top 100 players 

1999: Lavell Blanchard (#6 overall), Kevin Gaines (#11 overall), Jamal Crawford (#46 overall), Leland Anderson (#83 overall)

McDonald's All Americans (Began in '79): Blanchard, Bullock, Grant, Higgins, Horton, Howard, Joubert, King, McCormick, Mills, Rellford, Robinson, Rose, Traylor, Turner, Ward, Webber.

Space Coyote

March 31st, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

There are huge differences including the fact that the top hockey talent immediately goes pro and gets paid. Top college hockey recruiting isn't 1/100th as dirty as basketball because it isn't nearly as popular, doesn't generate the prestige, and doesn't bring in the revenue. Also there are fewer teams competing for top talent. It's not apples and oranges. It's apples and rocket ships.

Space Coyote

March 31st, 2016 at 7:32 PM ^

But the revenue generated by college basketball drastically out-paces that of college hockey and it really isn't even close. The revenue for TV rights for the NCAA tourney probably is more than college hockey in total. That's the point. Basketball as a whole brings significantly more revenue to athletic departments around college sports. A few teams like Michigan make a marginal profit with hockey, but much, much more money is brought in with basketball.

Stringer Bell

March 31st, 2016 at 6:53 PM ^

There is no more amateurism in college sports.  The one and done rule sucks, yes.  The best high school players should be allowed to go to the NBA out of high school.  But the rule is there, and it's silly for Michigan to tie their hands behind their backs by not pursuing the best players available.  

Human Torpedo

March 31st, 2016 at 6:24 PM ^

Overall wins: 189, 3rd

NCAA Tourney bids: 6, 2nd (technically 1st)

NCAA Tourney wins: 11, 2nd

20+ win seasons: 6, Tied for 1st

That's out of 16 head coaches overall. In the time that Beilein has been coach here only Matta, Painter and Izzo among active coaches have as many conference wins or tournament berths as JB. You keep talking about recruiting and the future. Until THAT future comes where we're sub-500 for more than one year, I prefer to just care about results

GG Allin

March 31st, 2016 at 7:09 PM ^

2 (1 was tied with another team). After that, if you look at how his teams have done in the conference, you see he hasn't done all that well. We all know he inherited a bad team but at this point you have to wonder whether or not he can keep up with other schools in getting any sort of talent and consistent play. And that's what has been lacking, consistent play.

HarbaughorBust

March 31st, 2016 at 7:14 PM ^

Michigan does not do a single defensive drill in practice as soon as the regular season starts. How hard do you think it is to negative recruit JB if you're an opposing coach? He won't make it past next season under Warde.

BigBlue02

April 1st, 2016 at 12:22 AM ^

Except it isn't RichRod all over again because they win games, often times many throughout the season, culminating in postseason play and national championship games. Bitching about defense when the team wins games is pointless

Lampuki

March 31st, 2016 at 8:07 PM ^

Look it's hard for these young guys to see your point because they have low expectations. I was at Michigan 88-92. These guys have idea how fun 3 final games was. No flipping idea.



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rockfish

April 1st, 2016 at 12:03 AM ^

1981  eric turner flint central & leslie rockymore det.southwestern ( turner & sam vincent that yr were the top 2 guards in the nation.

1982  richard relford, butch wade,roy tarpley, paul jockish and robert henderson the first fab five class( jockish left hoop after 2 yrs & then was a 6 ft 8 tight end for BO  on the fotball team for 3 yrs

 

SCARY thing is Michigan could recruit better in HOOP then the football team/BO could ever dream of !   BO also hated Frieder for some reason???  Maybe because Frieder was the only true Michigan man actually coaching at that time w/2 degrees fro M  !

 

 

rockfish

April 1st, 2016 at 12:04 AM ^

1981  eric turner flint central & leslie rockymore det.southwestern ( turner & sam vincent that yr were the top 2 guards in the nation.

1982  richard relford, butch wade,roy tarpley, paul jockish and robert henderson the first fab five class( jockish left hoop after 2 yrs & then was a 6 ft 8 tight end for BO  on the fotball team for 3 yrs

 

SCARY thing is Michigan could recruit better in HOOP then the football team/BO could ever dream of !   BO also hated Frieder for some reason???  Maybe because Frieder was the only true Michigan man actually coaching at that time w/2 degrees fro M  !

 

 

Wolfman

April 1st, 2016 at 8:38 AM ^

He did not respect him and there's a difference. Bo felt, and it was probably an outdated philosophy at that time that Bill was far more interested in acquiring recruits, and doing so aimed more at emphasizing their future in basketball and not the opportunity presented by obtaining a degree from Michigan. They were both very successful. They just went about their business it different ways, and one was the boss. Only one winner in that scenario. 

Wolfman

April 1st, 2016 at 7:22 AM ^

The reason I ask is Joubert, "The Judge," was considered by a large number of publications to be the no. 1 player in the nation. Another one I picked up on, only because Freider was putting a lot of work in on Hughes and  Vaught(paid off, of course) and because Hughes was from Puffer I watched the recruiting closely and Hughes was generally regarded as better than Loy coming out of h.s. and Loy's improvement was bost drastic and impressive. Just a damn  rebound machine as un upperclassman.   Yes, read the same about Garnett. How much you think his coach was paid? Imagine that, Tractor and him together. Overkill? `

On the earlier ones. Hubbard was considered good, you are correct and that was a sad story. Came back for one more year and cost himself - was going to say millions - which probably would have been a safe assumption, but am not sure what they were guaranteed then.

McCormick, while solid, played above expectations and Tarpley was two different players. He was recruited as a 6'5 or 6'6" forward and grew into a 6'10" AA player. He was a surprise.

As to all time greats for UM, BB didn't seem to have the draw it does today and records are difficult to come by. I do know many of the best in the state made collegiate choices based on convenience because, although always popular it just didn't have the cache football has always seemed to enjoy.  I do know if UM and MSU would have been able to corral instate talent from the 40s through the early 60s, they probably would have hoisted a lot of thropies,, both conference and of the NC variety.

As a teenager in the 60s, I remember setting in the Hackley Library in Muskegon, MI thumbing through the old sports sections. Some things I found of interest and you might too, all  on MI h.s. bb players.

The Greatest, no surprise: Magic

Super stars:  Many of which you listed, but Rice played with two other All Americans in high school, Jeff Grayer, IA State, and Andre Rison, MSU (football). A fourth, Anthony Pendelton played D1 also and their two year h.s record was an incredible, 57, maybe 58 W and 1 loss.  The 56' and 57' Muskegon Heights team won back to back state Championships led by the Burton Brothers, M.C, who later played at UM and became a Dentist. His son played for MN. Ed, his younger brother, considered the better ball player but not near the student played with Wilt for awhile as a member of the Globe Trotters. The 56' team was named National High School Champions.  Both excelled in football as well, bookends anchoring bothbends of the line. 

Some other products of the state were  Dave Debusshere of Detroit Pershing, later to be named among the 50 greatest all time NBA players, honors that also went to Magic and Geoge "The Iceman" Gervin out of MLK, I think, who played for Eastern Michigan.  Spencer Haywood was unstoppable playing at Pershing also I think.  Chet Walker of Benton Harbor Highf and Debusshere squared off fot the state title in '64 with Dave's team winning. Dave was also a teammate of Cazzie's during the Knicks championship years. We got Cazzie out of Chicago, btw. 

Other greats were Rudy T, Ralph Simpson and Campy Russell, no relation, out of Pontiac.. Much of this information comes from Memory so  please forgive if I am off with the particular dates, etc. but I just wanted to introduce you to the players I was introduced to, largely by radio and archived editions of the Muskegon Chronicle. The other greats you know about after their firs game with the speed of news delivery today.   However, I thought it very important to, despite some heavy lids, get the information correct on the final great you may have never heard of because his story is so compelling and whom the legendary prep sports journalist Hal Schram of the Free Press named as not only the greatest Michigan high school basketball player of all-time, but the greatest Michigan high school athlete of all-time. Some argue because his team never won a state title, but there are some numbers that cannot be argued and they don't hurt Hal's claim.

Richie Jordan, a 1965 graduate of Fennville High School, then a Class C school when there were only 4 classes was identifiable the second he walked onto the court. He was normally the smallest player on either squad. He stood 5'7." That size might very well lend even more credence to Mr. Schram's claim because we all know he didn't out muscle or simply use superior height to dominate many of the games in which he played. From a standing position, Richie jumped a little over 37 inches. From a running start he was measured at reaching 51 1'2 inches so obviously, and still legal at that time, he easily dunked with either hand.  None of these players had the assistance of the 3 pt line, but even so he averaged 44.4 pts a game, hitting for 60 in his final game. 24 I believe his highest in a quarter and his 888 pts his senior year brought his state record in '65 to 2210. Of course he was Player of the year, All State and one of his teammates on the 1965 All Prep team was a sizeable lad out of New York City who went by the name of Lou Alcindor, later changing it to Kareem Adbul Jabaar. No way could he come close to Magic's overall game, and he wasn't going to pull down rebounds at the same rate as a Simpson or Haywood but, they say his ball handling ability, coupled with his speed on the court, would have allowed him to score on any of them. It's difficult to think of this list of names and not recall what they did at either the collegiate level, pros or both. But if able to look at just their accomplishments while in high school then yeah, I get it.

Hal mentioned many POYs set state records in scoring, but he didn't know of anyone other than Richie who did the same in football. Two time All State Running Back, he finished his career with a then state record of 5,152 yards. Obviously, the young man had serious energy. In the spring of his senior year, he compiled a .550 Batting Average to suggest, yeah, Hal maybe you were onto something. While doing this, he also pulled double duty on the track team during home games, winning letters in that sport as well, leading his team to a third place state finals finish.

At the time of his graduation, he had 58 scholarship offers from around the nation and opted for MSU where he played basketball for two seasons, later playing baseball for the Spartans as well and spending time in the minors but never making it to the top level.

This state has definitely attracted some great talent from around the nation. But if we consider only those that are home grown basketball players, Michigan can be very proud of its rich basketball tradition.