The lack of Big Men since Mitch

Submitted by AVPBCI on
This program besides McGary has been horrible at attracting quality bigs. As long as we continue going after white stiffs and neglect Detroit and other areas To get quality bigs this team will never be more than what it is now. This program needs to go out and get a true big and stop being scared. We know we can get guards and small fwd but until this happens we won't be any better going forward than a 7 seed . This is also one reason I feel coach b got ran out of West virginia.
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FA_Wolverine

February 6th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^

Damn white people! Can't believe we recruit white basketball players! How about we just recruit big motherfuckers based on talent.



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UMinSF

February 6th, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^

Calling for JB's head is absurd.  We were in the Elite 8 in 2014!  Damn near won national championship in 2013!

JB is a winner, and does it clean, with class.  We had 15 lost years before he arrived.  

Yes, we need quality bigs.  Yes, the injuries have hurt.  They're still an NCAA tournament team.  We should all be thankful for our coach and team! 

DixieWreck, I didn't see the /s by your comment, but I sure hope you were kidding. The last thing we need or want is another scandal - sheesh.

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andidklein

February 6th, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^

He still recruits exactly like he did at WV, with the exception that he now goes after "Sons of former NBA'ers".

DUDE, you are coaching at Michigan, you CAN attract better players. Maybe I just don't like coaches from WV, but I was NEVER happy with his hire either.

I'm not saying he should be fired. He should never have ben hired.

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andidklein

February 6th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^

...inability to counter my statement with something other than an insult, means that I'm correct. Just look at his recruits, they're pretty much the same types of players he was recruiting at WV.

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rob f

February 6th, 2016 at 3:57 PM ^

"should never have been hired" is ridiculous.  He resurrected a Michigan program that had been mediocre-to-pathetically-bad for over a decade-and-a-half, bringing us to within a couple bad calls of a National Championship 3 seasons ago and oh-so-close to beating Kentucky in the Elite 8 two years ago.  

It's beyond me that any Michigan fan could even think of making such an idiotic statement.

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MilkSteak

February 6th, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^

First off, Beilein does go after the highly ranked guys. However, so does everyone else, and we can't always get those highly ranked guys.

 

Second off, I'm going to assume you forgot how truly bad we were before Beilein showed up. I'm not talking first round NCAA exit bad, I'm talking happy to win a game in the NIT bad. It's not a coincidence that Michigan basketball started winning after we hired Beilein.

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UMClassOf2018

February 6th, 2016 at 3:47 PM ^

Not suggesting we should fire Beilein, as I think he is a really good (not great) coach who we are lucky to have... but, we shouldn't not fire a coach in anything just because "It's better than it was before". Hoke was better than it was before with Rich Rod, doesn't mean it was good. I understand the differences, I'm just saying "better than before" shouldn't be the main qualifier as to why a coach should keep a job.

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San Diego Mick

February 6th, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^

our bigs sans Mitch have been mostly soft. I like our wings and guards for the most part but until we get nasty rebounding and shot blocking bigs we're never going to be elite.

We have Harbaugh for football and we need the equivalent in bball.

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Football Heaven

February 6th, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^

A skilled big would be great, but a big who plays great defense, rebounds, and sets solid screens is really sufficient.  Unfortunately, our current bigs are poor at all of those.  Hopefully Wagner develops a lot in the off-season and becomes that guy.

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Rasmus

February 7th, 2016 at 8:32 AM ^

First direct mention of the two incoming bigs! Beilein clearly sees the problem, and is recruiting for it as best he can. He will have four players 6' 10" or more on the team next year -- all will be in their first or second year (not counting Wilson's medical redshirt).

Even with a Teske redshirt, he still has three shots at the target next year. If even just one develops and the 6' 9" guys (Donnal and Doyle) are reduced to coming off the bench, then Michigan is easily in the tournament and maybe wins a couple of games.

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blue20

February 6th, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^

Belein's biggest issue/issues is inability to get an athletic 5 who can rebound and defend. And true stretch 4 that can shoot and defend. He always plays small with a wing at the 4 so against teams with size they usually get destroyed. Needs to change that philosophy!

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The Denarding

February 6th, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

I think that the primary problem is the teams we are getting blown out by have their best players as seniors. Listen stauskas is in the pros so is mcgary and those would be seniors right now. I enjoyed what we had and we will have it again.



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The Denarding

February 6th, 2016 at 3:46 PM ^

Though have we been blown out at home two games in a row like this? It's been a long time. This is an extremely perimeter dependent team and Donnal is no Jordan Morgan. I miss Jordan Morgan.



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superstringer

February 6th, 2016 at 3:55 PM ^

The lack of development of B's players in the NBA has to be killing us. He gets guys to do great in college but they arent exactly all-stars in the NBA. I would think that is fodder for negative recruiting and its going to put a hard ceiling on his ability to recruit.



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AVPBCI

February 6th, 2016 at 4:05 PM ^

Something has to change in terms of Recruiting big men. And this offense can thrive with A stud big and spread the floor out And defensively we got nothing. But as of right now. The bigs are Piss poor on this team. Coach B needs to get better bigs than Stiffs from the heartland. This program is scared to recruit inner city kids it seems for basketball

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AVPBCI

February 6th, 2016 at 4:05 PM ^

Something has to change in terms of Recruiting big men. And this offense can thrive with A stud big and spread the floor out And defensively we got nothing. But as of right now. The bigs are Piss poor on this team. Coach B needs to get better bigs than Stiffs from the heartland. This program is scared to recruit inner city kids it seems for basketball

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NYMICH

February 6th, 2016 at 4:15 PM ^

is Ricky Doyle.  He is undeniably worse this year than last year.  Take Ricky Doyle from last year, give him a normal sophomore leap, and this team would suddenly be competitive with the teams that have blown us out.  Not only has he not developed, but he has regressed.  It's the same with most of the team.  Almost all of them are same/worse than last year.  

It's more than just athleticism.  You can adjust to teams that are more athletic than you are.  These guys just don't seem to know how to play basketball.  Being a teacher is supposed to be Beilien's strength.  Where has that gone?  

What will hurt Beilien is taking guys that need to be developed, which I'm fine with, and suddenly losing the ability to develop them.  That's how you end up with mediocre teams with first weekend of NCAA tournament ceilings.  That will wear thin quickly.

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Rasmus

February 7th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^

You've got to hope Doyle is the anomaly. It's (obviously) premature to write off Wagner's sophomore leap. Or, to some extent, Wilson's -- that injury last year means if he is going to do that -- get a year of experience and then sort of absorb it over the off-season, coming back much improved -- it will happen next season. He just didn't see the court enough during his injury (Freshman) year.

And I join with others above in secretly harboring unrealistic hopes that Austin Davis will somehow be ready to have an immediate impact.

As for the rest of the team, I think it's more about the loss of the two seniors (Spike and Caris) -- the juniors have not stepped up tolead theteam as much as they should. Some of it may have to do with trying to integrate Robinson. Let's hope next year that will be resolved.

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7words

February 6th, 2016 at 4:49 PM ^

Its embarassing that every MAC team has more athletic bigs than us.   I mean, seriously.  Our 6'9" starting center needs to get a running start to dunk the ball.   Think about that.  And the 6'10" back up has about a 10" vertical.   I've said this before.  None of our centers make 3 pointers.   So whats the harm in signing some centers that are actually athletic and can rebound?  Who the hell cares if they can hit a shot outside of 5 feet.   its not needed.   

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UnkleBuck

February 6th, 2016 at 5:05 PM ^

Can we just go into Detroit and recruit the biggest, meanest, ugliest, toughest, tatted-up baller and be done with it.  Aside from the obvious big man deficiency, this team lacks toughness.  I get that they are young, but still...

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Jonesy

February 6th, 2016 at 5:55 PM ^

Beilein didn't get run out of West Virginia.  But I agree on the big men, we don't need a stretch 5, just get a tall, tough or bouncy guy to rebound, dunk, defend, and set screens. The fact that Donnal is supposedly good at shooting 3's doesnt matter when he shoots one a game (and usually misses it.

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Jimmyisgod

February 6th, 2016 at 6:08 PM ^

Here's the thing, we all know Beilein is a very good coach, and he's brought this program back.  We will make the tourney this year.  That's all well and good, but we happen to have a big basketball rival right down the road and we expect to compete with them every season, we haven't the last two after giving them all they could handle for a few years.  

MSU has an elite program, we want to be at their level.  Beilein seems to be falling behind further with Izzo really taking it up a notch on the court and on the recruiting trail.  SO that's the issue, we want to beat MSU.

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Eastside Maize

February 6th, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

but in the B1G you must have bigs that can bang on the block, pick & roll and grab boards. We have to get points in the paint. When the the Js aren't falling, our lack if anything going toward the rim is more glaring.

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Jimmyisgod

February 6th, 2016 at 7:03 PM ^

You know what sucks? MSU doesn't have many highly ranked recruits on their team this year. Davis was top 25, but no one else they have was top 70. Next year they bring in 4 in the top 40 and maybe a 5th who is top 3.

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