Rashad Weaver Decommits

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https://twitter.com/R_Weaver80/status/691808427765534721

 

I'm sure there will be more mudslinging from this one.

 

EDIT: For those who didn't click the link, he says that JH says they didn't know if they would have room for him and ultimately offered him a PWO. He does thank JH and UofM for the opportunity. Not as bad as Swenson, but some will overreact to it. 

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TripJ

January 25th, 2016 at 11:43 PM ^

Why these guys were offered in the first place. Im a JH fan, but im not  going to blindly support every decsison he makes. 

If you offer a kid you should honor it. If its possible you want to offer other kids, just wait. I dont think Rashad Weaver was getting tons of recruiting mail anyway. 

This just gives other schools fire to negatively recruit.

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4EverBlueGirl

January 26th, 2016 at 12:08 AM ^

He benefitted with getting exposure from the satellite camp. That exposure garnered him an offer from Temple . It isn't like the kid won't land somewhere. I don't get all the pity for a kid getting his education paid for. We are reading a lot into a tweet at the same time we are getting one interpretation.

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TripJ

January 26th, 2016 at 12:49 AM ^

He offered those kids, but that is something that should be explicit at the time of the offer. But considering what Rashad said that couldn't be the case(You dont get disaponted if you had a fake offer).

Granted, it seemed like that for some of the decommits.

Again these kids probably are not good enough to play, so it makes sense that they wont be able to sign.

I'm just saying they shouldn't have been offered to begin with, unless that was made explicit. 

It makes it too easy for schools that have no business negative recruiting ( OSU. BAMA, etc) to do so.

 

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BoFan

January 26th, 2016 at 12:21 AM ^

I don't think anyone blindly honors a commitment made a year out. Bo pulled offers from guys that stopped working. But in this case when they get an early commitment, if they're going to accept it, they do need to make clear that the competition for the spot doesn't end until after senior season is over. Perhaps they did but if not they'll learn from the mistake

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CoachBP6

January 25th, 2016 at 11:59 PM ^

Anyone see Dantonio tweeted "the righteous shall prevail" before quickly deleting it?

I didn't think he had it in him with all his "class" and "dignity"



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Funchessoffun

January 26th, 2016 at 12:32 AM ^

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. 

 

Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

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A Fan In Fargo

January 26th, 2016 at 12:35 AM ^

What sorry son of a bitch and dillusional piece of shit. I"ve said it before, I would laugh in his face and call him a bitch. I live for that kind of stuff. Boy I hope UM runs up the score on him and his band of dipshits. It shall not be too far down the road gentlemen before this happens.

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Lampuki

January 25th, 2016 at 11:59 PM ^

Everyone seems to be acting like these commits and decommissioned happen over the course a few days or weeks. If I were a commit I'd stay in context particularly if I was making other visits and heard the class was likely to change. Cmon people. It's a 2 way street.



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CookieMonster77

January 26th, 2016 at 12:42 AM ^

I liken it to being on Ameican Idol. You go on knowing the risks. You may get a no but you believe you will get a yes. You get voted through until suddenly you are gone. Some feelings are hurt along the way but the thought of making it on the big stage is worth the risk. I feel for the kid and would be hurt if it happened to me but this is not a nice business all the time. In the end, that is what this is. For the record, I am in no way suggesting that American Idol is anything but a trash heap of a show.

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FA_Wolverine

January 26th, 2016 at 1:02 AM ^

I take it people don't read all through the tread? Numerous posts on what Mork said and I also made a post about Weaver making an addendum to his original note. Again, everyone chill and drink a beer!



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JamieH

January 26th, 2016 at 1:25 AM ^

Obviously if Harbaugh is still telling him 50/50 then Michigan would still take him depending on how the chips fall with some of hte big guns on NSD. 


The reality is, if you want to be in on these guys on the last day, SOMEONE has to be the expendable backup plan.  I don't blame Weaver one bit for not wanting to be that someone.   But the other option is to fill up on lesser guys and not take a shot at the big boys. 

 
It all depends on how this was all messaged to Weaver.  If Harbaugh 100% guaranteed him a spot and just now yanked it, yeah that definitely sucks.   But it doesn't sound like it went down quite like that. 

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MoJo Rising

January 26th, 2016 at 5:24 AM ^

I don't expect Harbaugh or Michigan to ever explain exactly how they recruit but many, though not all, of these kids were satellite attendees who garnered offers after their performance at the camp. I can only speculate that Harbaugh offered these kids "conditional" offers meaning they would be good if the staff could determine they proved themselves during their senior season on field and in the classroom. For what ever reason, many of them did not provide the "growth" that the staff was looking for and thus did not honor the conditional scholarship. As well, it also appears that several of the kids (and possibly their coaches) did not fully grasp the meaning of their conditional scholarships. 

At the end of the day, Harbaugh and his staff are not paid the combined millions of dollars to do charity work. They are paid to win football games at the highest level. And to win a lot of them. And to compete for National Championships. And to make sure the football program continues to be profitable so that it can not only sustain itself and its growth but to pay for all the other sports the university engages in. That, as you all know, is the cold hard facts of collge football. 

Harbaugh recruits with enthusiasm unknown to many college coaches. He is going to rub many the wrong way but what he will do is put together a program that many of us fans haven't seen in a long long time and one that could possibly dwarf any in the modern history of the program. 

I trust Harbaugh. Maybe some of you should too. 

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I dumped the Dope

January 26th, 2016 at 1:40 AM ^

- crootin seems to get a large number of people's boxers in a big ole twist.  Every year.  Not just this particular issue.  It gets a fair number of people up in others' grilles on the message board.

- we will never know the full story

- the fast forward of maintaining the offer is basically the same as letting the guy go thru 4 years of work and then get released for a 5th to go play somewhere else.  Personally I'd rather be honest about it, the timing obviously isn't perfect but it always won't going forward.

- months going by and no contact from even position coach should signal something is wrong.

- a guy getting his hopes up by earning a Michigan offer then more or less having them dashed on the rocks is unfortunate.  But, it'll happen again in life, and not just once.  "You can't always get what you want... but you get what you need"

- negative recruiting is something that's going to be seized and spun by whoever decides to take advantage of it

- the satellite camps are probably not the greatest idea going forward.  It opened doors and got people thinking of Michigan.  Lots of press.  Which, coupled with a nice season and a special forces bowl operation probably was the catalyst for what we have now: a lot of high level recruits wanting to come and compete.  In all likelihood more than expected.  But the number of people still on radar from the original satellite camps are pretty small.

- The Hoke system was rock-solid fair.  It got talent. But not the blue-chip-athlete-at-every-position that Urban Meijer was able to land (thinking of this year's class with something like 16 members of their starting lineup being future NFL players.)   That's the level of recruiting its going to take to be able to compete on that level.

TL;dr.  Thanks if you did 8-)

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chomz14

January 26th, 2016 at 5:24 AM ^

You know what's worse thing about the situation? The few of you on here crying about 16-17 year old kids tweets." OMG DPJ tweeted and doesn't like this" does this shit really ruin your day? Last I checked, Michigan is about a week away from filling a top 5 class. I'm pretty sure next year will be much of the same. And don't you think now that Harbaugh may have started a trend (good or bad) other coaches will follow suit? I remember last year after the Urban crap came out after he released a kid. People here were trolling like crazy. And someone (Magnus maybe?) said "you guys better becareful" this stuff will probably be happening here as well. Well here it is. Relax

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JoJo5285

January 26th, 2016 at 5:52 AM ^

Three thoughts: 1. When did everybody on this board get so cynical? I mean everybody on here is jumping down Harbaugh's throat with all these recruits without having all the information. The staff seems to have communicated with these players their intentions weeks ago and for whatever reason its all coming to light now for a few of these recruits. 2.I think Harbaugh early in the process may have had lower expectations for how quickly he could rebuild this program and hence thats why he offered alot of these 2* and 3* camp guys. However as the season and recruiting process went on it became evident that there was alot more buzz and interest in UM. 3. I think (and could be wrong) but going forward in 2017 Harbaugh has seemed to offer alot of 5* early possibly showing that this year was simply a mistake. I just want Michigan to win and I think some people dont understand the gamble of waiting until NSD you always have to have a plan A and a plan B and its a competition

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UPMichigan

January 26th, 2016 at 6:31 AM ^

Sometimes shit happens in life that you don't agree with, but it happens. The kid will be fine. There's plenty of comparable analogies to be used in this situation that aren't liked, but don't get the press or attention that something like this does.



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DixieWreck

January 26th, 2016 at 7:40 AM ^

As long as UofM is forthright, I see nothing wrong with rating/ranking candidates/recruits, it's the same in the job market, NFL draft, education, etc.  #Welcome2RealLife

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Raback Omaba

January 26th, 2016 at 8:19 AM ^

And it's not that Weaver has decommitted, or had his offer pulled - but that HE NEEDS TO CHARGE HIS PHONE. How can we expect him to be a model student athlete at Michigan when he CANT EVEN CHARGE HIS PHONE BEFORE IT GETS RED? 

Joking aside, handled this situation with class and hope he does well wherever he ends up

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Raback Omaba

January 26th, 2016 at 8:19 AM ^

And it's not that Weaver has decommitted, or had his offer pulled - but that HE NEEDS TO CHARGE HIS PHONE. How can we expect him to be a model student athlete at Michigan when he CANT EVEN CHARGE HIS PHONE BEFORE IT GETS RED? 

Joking aside, handled this situation with class and hope he does well wherever he ends up

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FreddieMercuryHayes

January 26th, 2016 at 9:25 AM ^

From what I've read/heard, this is the exact reason they let/took 'commitments' from a lot of the early offers. They weren't sure they would have a spot for them in the end, but being able to call yourself a UM commit while looking around helps the kid out. But as Sam and Bacon said on Friday, no good deed goes unpunished, and there's some frustration in Schembechler Hall that their effort to help some kids out who they weren't sure they would take has resulted in bad PR.



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MotownGoBlue

January 26th, 2016 at 9:30 AM ^

This ordeal can be looked at from a number of angles. "Exposure U" and the Michigan offer-commit-decommit brought a lot of attention to Weaver. Rashad seems like a cool kid that's also enjoying some of the limelight right now. I found it funny and a tad bit telling that he asked his Twitter followers not to be mad, but if they can't refrain to at least not unfollow him, followed by a "lol." In the end I wish him success at the next level.

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HarBooYa

January 26th, 2016 at 9:01 AM ^

He clearly says Harbaugh treated him fine and level set with him the whole way.

Might keep all of this obnoxious win at all costs guys at bay as philosophizing about that topic would be rendered moot by the kids own words.

The ethics of allowing a kid to "commit" if he only has a 50-50 shot at playing and the strategy of giving him the cold shoulder if you see him not keeping up with other available talent is still debatable but I think it's important to splice these from flat out lying to kids or misleading them (or allowing us to start saying it doesn't matter so long as we win....as it does matter).

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DMack

January 26th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^

Correct me if I' missing something but if we already have 24 and seven are already enrolled that count against last years limit, that would bring us down to 17 at this point. Is this correct or not????

Any thoughts? 

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