This Week's Obsession: If Harbaugh Had A Comment Count

Seth

UPDATED: Now with 100% more Yang.

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(via Toledo Blade)

The Question:

Inspired by A.J. Williams, which former under- or badly utilized player would you have loved to see play for Harbaugh?

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The Responses:

Brian: For the record, this was my rundown on MGoRadio:

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In this world he's probably still #19.

1. Denard/Devin

Jim Harbaugh coming in in 2011 and being handed Denard Robinson would have been incredibly fascinating, and may have propelled Denard to unmatchable heights as a runner. Gardner would have been lethal.

2. Mike Hart

Do I hear 3000 yard season?

3. Gabe Watson

Watson gets a bad rap. He was first team All Big Ten twice and a mid-round pick in the NFL draft. But if there was one guy who could have been a demon if he was in a bit more shape and a bit more motivated, it was him.

4. BJ Askew

A hybrid FB/RB who could have been a really cool secret weapon.

5. AJ Williams

The gimmicky top five was in honor of Williams so I had to put him on there. The turnaround this year has been great.

For TWO I'll add a couple more names: remember that game Alain Kashama had in the Citrus Bowl against Florida? Yeah, that's another guy for the pile of defensive players who might have been yelled into awesomeness under Harbaugh. Also: Devin Funchess. Does he become a great blocker? Does he become at least a great blocker for a WR? What does it look like to have Devin Funchess running routes downfield against one on one coverage with full motivation? I bet it looks pretty amazing.

[After the jump: so many wonderful toys]

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Ace: My somewhat oddball list for the radio show:

1. Mike Hart

2. Tate Forcier

3. Will Campbell

4. Aaron Shea

5. Marques Slocum

Brian and I caught some flak for leaving this guy off our respective lists on Monday: Drew Henson. The people are absolutely right in this case. Henson would've been the most talented quarterback Jim Harbaugh had to work with until Andrew Luck and his skill set would've been ideal in a Harbaugh offense; he had the arm strength, accuracy, and mobility Harbaugh covets in his quarterbacks. The difference between Henson working within the confines of Lloydball and playing for Harbaugh—it's a sick kind of fun to consider.

Harbaugh also would've been so deeply offended by the idea of Henson leaving early to pursue a career in baseball—a fine sport, sure, but football is life—that I fully believe he would've been able to convince Henson to resist George Steinbrenner's overtures until he'd delivered a Heisman Trophy to Ann Arbor. I want to live in the alternate universe that gives us Senior Henson coached by Jim Harbaugh; it probably ends with Henson as the #1 overall pick in the NFL Draft.

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David:​ This is a question that has seemingly endless possibilities. Brian's Devin/Denard pick, on the radio, is obviously tough to beat. My #1 that I wrote down on Monday night -and was rather confident about- was also taken by Brian (which is maybe why I work for him?) was BJ Askew. So, I'll have to go with #2 on my list: Kevin Koger.

Kevin Koger came to Michigan as a fringe Top 100 player and a Top 5 TE. He was also a Michigan head-to-head recruiting victory of Ohio State, coming out of Toledo. ​He also came to Michigan and probably the worst time to be utilized as a tight end: the very beginning of Rich Rod's spread offense. In all three National Signing Days that Rich Rod was in Ann Arbor for, he signed zero other tight ends. There was a lot of talk that Koger would end up flipping to DE, but he ever did.

Despite coming in with solid size and good speed, Koger finished his college career with only 59 catches -23 of them coming in 2011, in a more TE friendly offense-, 756 yards, and 9 TDs. He did save arguably his best game -4 catches for 40 yards and a TD- for his Senior Day against Ohio State in 2011.

If you gave Koger four years under Harbaugh instead of three Rodriguez spread-based years and a fusion-cuisine year of Borges, I have to wonder if he'd be playing on Sundays, now, instead of already into his coaching career.

Regardless, he still has one of the better Twitter handles I've come across: @KogerNotKroger

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Seth: In Endzone/Brandon's Lasting Lessons there's a short story about how Harbaugh called Bo after taking the job at San Diego. Bo's questions: Do you have a tight end who can stick his hand in the dirt? Do you have a fullback? Harbaugh said yes, and Bo said you'll do fine.

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You can read that as Bo was an i-form zealot, or you can believe Bo knew Jim well enough to know what a Harbaughffense needs. Whereas a spread offense thrives on widening the gaps defenders have to cover, the Power offense's jam is carving out new ones.

It's telling that Harbaugh took one look at his new Michigan personnel and identified Joe Kerridge as his captain. The uber-Kerridge remains the only pre-MGoBlog era man to join the ranks of the Blessed Order of St. Kovacs. That man is Kevin Dudley.

Prior to 2003 Chris Perry had the talent to threaten any gap A through E, and the inability to choose the right one, such that in 2002 B.J. Askew in Ace formations was Michigan's most effective personnel. Once Askew moved on, Michigan activated Dudley, who solved the Perry problem: Just follow 32. Perry won the Doak Walker in '03. The following year Mike Hart set a freshman record for rushing yards. They didn't do it alone.

Underutilized is probably a stretch, but Dudley did happen to come to the top of the depth chart at the same time Michigan had the best three-wide personnel in its history (Braylon/Avant/Breaston). He also had Mike DeBord calling his plays. Imagine if Harbaugh had.

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UPDATE:

You there in the peanut gallery.

: Ooh, ooh! What about Ryan Mallett?

What about him?

: Uh … I was asking you guys. Oh, now I have to write complete sentences about this? Goddamnit, Seth.

Heiko: Okay, so I guess Mallett would be intriguing entry into this thought experiment more so for what it would have meant for Michigan rather than what it would have meant for him. As I’m sure most people know, the guy was an uber-recruit who backed up Chad Henne in 2007 but then booked it for Arkansas after Rich Rod failed to make eye contact or something. At Arkansas he sat out 2008, played the next two seasons, and as a PGY-4 he set some records for quarterback stuff and earned himself a spot in the third round.

Like I said, not sure how much Harbaugh would have changed his career path. Maybe he would have been a first-round pick, although the reason he fell to the third round seemed to be due to concerns about his off-the-field shenanigans. Anyway, the biggest difference would have been that he had stayed at Michigan, and that scenario is why I even brought this up: imagine the 2008 Michigan team with a real quarterback. A real quarterback running a real offense.

I know, like, whoa, right?

Even after the mass player exodus (which you could argue would not have happened if Harbaugh had been hired that year and Mallett had stayed), Michigan had talent at a number of offensive positions. Tailback Brandon Minor was establishing himself. Future jump-ball specialist Junior Hemingway was showing promise as a sophomore. And there were guys like Top 100 receiver Greg Mathews and 5-star Kevin Grady on the roster who ended up not reaching their full potential through the transition years. I would bet a dollar those guys would have gone to the NFL had the Harbaughing happened after Carr’s retirement.

I’m getting off topic now (goddamnit, Seth), but in this fanciful alternate universe we’d have been bitching about how Michigan QB Andrew Luck got snubbed for the Heisman over the last couple years instead of trying to out-posture the folks over in East Lansing.

At this point I don’t know which storyline I’d prefer to have lived through, but I’ll have a better idea after the game on Saturday.

Comments

BlueMan80

October 14th, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

He was pretty awesome just doing things on his own, but maybe Harbaugh could have gotten more out of him as a receiver than Lloyd did.  Baxter sure would have used him as a weapon.

BellGoBlue

October 14th, 2015 at 3:42 PM ^

Speaking of whom, does anyone know/heard if Hoke has ever apologized to Devin for completely wrecking him? I am sure neither man would ever publicize the conversation, but I truly hope that Hoke pulled him aside at some point and asked for forgiveness for completely failing him in football.

Wolverssee

October 14th, 2015 at 4:00 PM ^

At the risk of being chastised I'm going to throw Biakabutuka in here. He was really only used for one year - after Wheatley was gone. He had decent yardage in Wheatley's senior year, but man... Could we have had 2 guys go for 1500 yards (Moar?) in the same season?

AKMGOBLUE

October 14th, 2015 at 4:35 PM ^

A great exercise debating "who would of" in the arena of what if scenarios. How about this for a more relevant "what if". If M wins out they could face Utah again in a playoff or for the NC

You Only Live Twice

October 14th, 2015 at 5:05 PM ^

Gardner, everyone is in agreement.

Tate Forcier, bit more split in opinion, I think Harbaugh would have the perfect mentor, and there's no denying the talent kid had.

Crazy w Cheese Whiz

October 14th, 2015 at 5:57 PM ^

Given that Fitz Toussaint, Rawls, and Michael Cox have had some moments in the NFL, makes you wonder what would have happened if they actually were coached while they were at Michigan. 

I always thought Michael Shaw had talent that was never fully realized.

From the Carr/Rodriguez transition year, throw in Brandon Minor, if he played under Harbaugh (yeah he would have gotten hurt), but he is similar to Dev Smith, but with better speed.

BLHoke

October 14th, 2015 at 7:19 PM ^

I'm gonna go not obvious with Dennis Norfleet. Strictly for the screen game, end around, reverse, return game. He was always set up with piss poor attempts (obvious) in the screen games under the last regime, same with his carries... And it seemed like he was always just a shoe string away from taking a kick back to the house. Given the improvement in special teams and the imagination in the screen game, 23 could've ripped off some pretty spectacular plays.

Mr. Elbel

October 14th, 2015 at 8:06 PM ^

I think looking at what he's doing right now in Seattle, I'd go with Thomas Rawls. Came in with a ton of hype coming out of Flint Northern (and being from Flint I'd heard lots about him even before we started recruiting him). Not the same school as Mark Ingram came out of (that was Flint Southwestern), but lots of comparisons between those two were happening. Think his potential is showing now at the next level. Sad that he never really developed at Michigan. Harbaugh could definitely have pounded it out with him.

MichiganSkeptic

October 15th, 2015 at 11:01 AM ^

1. Garvie Craw

2. Ed Shuttlesworth

3. Fritz Seyferth

4. Bob Perryman

5. Bob Thornbladh

     Shuttlesworth in particular could have been great.  (BTW, you can probably tell how old I am from this list.)