What is Up With the Tigers?

Submitted by xtramelanin on

Mates,

Tigers:  2 runs on 8 hits

Angels:  7 runs on 6 hits....5 of them Home Runs. 

Since when do we put batting practice pitchers into actual big league games?   Are the tigers going to figure it out this year, or are they going to agonizingly melt away after their 9-1 start?  

Lou MacAdoo

May 31st, 2015 at 9:47 AM ^

Come on man. This organization was an epic disaster before he came in. There's is no perfect GM or baseball team. The injuries are really hurting the team right now. When healthy this is a roster that most of the MLB would have a hard time beating in a three game series.

I'm not willing to give up on him yet. The farm is depleted and I don't see that getting better anytime soon. It doesn't seem like his drafts have produced much top level talent at all. In the end this might be his Achilles heel.



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JamieH

May 30th, 2015 at 11:53 PM ^

There was no way for the Tigers to outbid Washington. Even with as well as Scherzer has pitched, the Tigers couldn't have given him the biggest contract for a pitcher in history when they are already on the hook for Verlander and Cabrera for the next 8 years or so.

JamieH

May 31st, 2015 at 12:00 AM ^

If you don't lock up Cabrera when you do, you might lose him or he just ends up costing you more. And you're sitting here criticizing locking up Verlander long term yet you wanted him to lock up Scherzer long term for even more? Who is to say Scherzer will still be great in 3 years? Locking up pitchers is always risky.

MGoChippewa

May 31st, 2015 at 12:13 AM ^

the season at all?  How has ending up with Greene been a good thing?  He gave up 5 HRs in <2 IP tonight and his ERA is over 5.00.  And that's with a kinder BABIP than last year.  He doesn't strike anybody out and his GB% is down, that's a terrible formula.  I'd almost rather still have Robbie Ray.

Lou MacAdoo

June 1st, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

I don't understand the Fister trade at all. His contract wan't bad and he was solid for them. It was a panic move for a SS after Iglesias got injured and a failed attempt at getting a young arm to replace Fister. Maybe he didn't like the long term health outlook of Fister. He wore down at the end of 2013 and has been injured a few times since the trade. He might've seen something in his motion.

MGoChippewa

May 31st, 2015 at 12:08 AM ^

any of this up.  What did they gain by signing those extensions when they did?  They gained nothing and sacrificed two years of information before reaching a deal.  You clearly don't want to take my word for it; Jonah Keri gets paid to write about this stuff:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/detroit-tigers-sign-miguel-cabrera-to…

 

JamieH

May 31st, 2015 at 12:23 AM ^

Players can and do go other places in free agency. Are you really trying to say you wouldn't want Miguel Cabrera right now? My issue isn't that they extended Verlander but that they extended him too long. I wouldn't extend ANY pitcher that late into his career. But that means letting Scherzer go too, because the Nats gave him a bigger deal than Verlander got. Deals get more expensive every year.

MGoChippewa

May 31st, 2015 at 12:27 AM ^

don't go other places two years before they hit free agency.  It's nonsense to suggest you have to lock guys up two years in advance.  It makes even less sense when you know your horizon as a contender isn't much longer than those two years.  All the Dombrowski lovers act like he's built an AL contender in a capped sport.  This is consistently one of the biggest payrolls in the game.  A monkey could build a competitive team.  The problem is, they're trailing two teams in the division that have $75MM less at their disposal.  I'm insane for suggesting the guy who has done less with more is the problem?

Hotel Putingrad

May 31st, 2015 at 12:39 AM ^

you're asking for a top-heavy roster when you give an acquisitive GM that much money to play with. Ilitch doesn't want a roster of sparkplugs. He wants the HEMI, which unfortunately leaves spate parts on the bench and duct tape in Toledo.

JamieH

May 31st, 2015 at 12:49 AM ^

to pay MORE to Cabrera to lock him up two years later, rather than his locking him up when they did? If you already know you want to commit to the guy, contracts get more expensive every year. I don't necessarily agree with the terms of either deal, but if you are going to do it, waiting two years will cost you more $$$ almost for sure. Cabrera is still an All Star. Do we suddenly not want him?

Lou MacAdoo

June 1st, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

You're not insane. They were both risky moves and I like that he takes risks. Cabrera and Verlander are two of the top players in baseball and fan favorites. He must've felt pretty confident in their ability to produce in the future to give out such deals. He was also probably worried about the constant increase in salaries given to top level players and figured he could get a deal if he locked them up early. What's the alternative? Wait a year and hope he has a bad year so you can get him cheaper, or let him walk? We will see if it ends up affecting them in the long run. Maybe Cabrera will go down as the best hitter to ever play for the Tigers and Verlander one of the best pitchers.

I'm not worried about Cabrera, but Verlander is obviously worrisome with his recent injury and inconsistent production. He's signed through 2019 which will keep him with the team until he's 36. It's not like he's signed until he's 40. He had a down year in 2008 where he lost 17 games and he bounced back from that. These are the cornerstones of the team that you build around. They've done more than enough for the Tigers to validate the extensions they signed.

Hotel Putingrad

May 31st, 2015 at 12:18 AM ^

However those deals and V-mart's (and letting Scherzer walk) are on Ilitch more than Dombrowski. Mike's desperation to win a WS is clouding a lot of organizational judgment (see Foster trade and Ausmus hire, which were mere accounting moves). If JV comes back strong, they could still eke out a wild card. If he gets reinjured, then they have to deal Price for prospects and start formulating a rebuild plan. I would not want to be Dombrowski the next 6 weeks.

MGoChippewa

May 31st, 2015 at 8:23 AM ^

again, guys cannot leave two years before they are eligible for free agency. There's never a good reason to negotiate with a guy before he's in the last year of his deal. Cabrera's a great player and I'm glad the Tigers have him, but I doubt his agent's bargaining power would've been much different a year after he signed his extension. In Verlanders case,  he tanked the season after he signed. We would've either avoided that disaster altogether or got a better deal by waiting.

DY

May 31st, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^

but with Trout, you're signing him early to hopefully save yourself money during the years his expected arbitration contracts are exploding in price - and when he's going into his prime. Signing Verlander two-years early to a massive deal when baseball precendent is that pitchers breakdown after 30, before seeing what happens in those two years is the problem.

Canadian

May 31st, 2015 at 1:08 AM ^

Yes but it was known that the tigers wouldn't be able to afford him before last year even started. That was not a World Series caliber team last year so why not move him to get something in return? Of course I don't know if he tried to or not but from everything we heard last year dombrowski wasn't going to move him and wasn't going to offer him the money he wanted (this part I agree with)

baldurblue

May 31st, 2015 at 7:56 PM ^

I'm sure everyone will ignore this for as long as they can, but the tigers have one of the best bullpens in the league right now.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2015-reliever-pitching.shtml

 

I think they're in a better position to make a run in the playoffs this year than in most recent years, manufactured runs, solid bullpen, and lockdown closer.

 

 

CoverZero

May 30th, 2015 at 11:57 PM ^

Ausmus just pulled Wilson after he went 11-11.  Ausmus is the worst manager in baseball.  He is terrible.  No feel for the game, and only plays the percentages.  He is a little guy with no fire and inspires no confidence. 

Quiet, small, numbers guy.  He may as well be an Accountant.

Jack Hammer

May 31st, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^

Their problem is leadership. Since Kenny Rogers left we haven't had a player who pulled the team together. Our best players are stud players but not leaders.

Jack Hammer

May 31st, 2015 at 3:51 AM ^

yeah, but neither of those guys are assertive enough. most champions have a ring leader who performs but also inspires and doesn't give a fuck about anyone besides the guys in the clubhouse. the Tigers have no fire. they need a Pence or Rogers or Gibby or Kirby or Jeter or Papi. Step it the fuck up, Miggy and JV. Lead or go away.

WMUgoblue

May 31st, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^

I'm going to chalk some of this up to our usual west coast blues, but truly this team misses V-Mart more than I ever expected, Cespedes and JD can't protect Miggy and Kinsler's slump has come at just an awful time. 

Honestly though, if people are criticizing the bullpen this year than they likely aren't watching many games.

LSAClassOf2000

May 31st, 2015 at 7:06 AM ^

Eh, the Tigers team ERA - while not terribly impressive by league standards at 3.85 - is good enough to at least sit in the middle of the AL rankings. Same thing with batting average against at .254 - it is near the middle of the rankings. What I find kind of interesting is that they are second in innings pitched in the AL at 453.0 and tied for second in the AL in quality starts at 28, but yet they are near the bottom when measured on strikeouts as well as walks - they don't serve up very many of either of these. 

The stats are confounding and the results are equally so thus far.

Jack Hammer

May 31st, 2015 at 3:55 AM ^

leadership. need someone to step up and demand winning from the other 24. pure and simple. Tigers are paycheck kittens right now. step it up!!!! baseball is an emotional sport and a long year. need a veteran to set the bar high and command the team.

Jack Hammer

May 31st, 2015 at 4:05 AM ^

Leadership!!!! This team needs someone to walk into the clubhouse and take charge. it's such a weird dynamic in baseball but makes all the difference. no team wins in baseball without an arrogant cocky prick in front showing others the way. Tigers do not have that player. Rays have Longoria. kc has a bunch of passionate guys. SF has pence and posey and bum. teams that win have a mission and a vision. those teams roll over teams that lack leadership. the Tigers need their Yzerman. ......

Jack Hammer

May 31st, 2015 at 4:21 AM ^

Kenny MF Rogers was the last true leader in this team. I pray that someone steps it the F up before August. Kinsler, Miggy, Cespedes - paycheck players. that's ok. need those guys. but need a fucking Gibby to kick in the door and tell those fuckers that it's about to get hot in the kitchen. drive energy and passion! !!!!!! this team looks lame. needs leadership and energy!!!!!!!