OT: Job offer pulled as a result of salary negotiation

Submitted by Michigan Arrogance on

Trying to take advantage of the multitude of expertise from the users of the site, especially those in hiring positions and/or HR to see if there is any experience with this kind of thing.

Disclaimer: job is a union position with no room to negotiate advancement beyond the union-negotiated contract pay step schedule. It is possible, however, to be placed at different levels when hired.

Long story longer: I applied for a position, went though 2 rounds of interviews and was clearly the #1 candidate from the start and throughout the process. Ref. checks and Xscripts already done (no issues there). I get a call from the HR director who offers the position with the starting salary and wants 48hrs for me to respond. I am pretty content with the job I have (wasn't even looking for a new position but was asked by an acquaintance to apply to the new position). I ask about flexibility re: starting salary and she mentions that in some circumstances she could get approval but likely not in this case. She ends an email later that night reiterating the offer. I respond to the email explaining my additional years of unique experience and how I'm interested in the position but would like consideration for those additional years beyond their initial offer. I basically ask for 13-15% more than what they offered which I thought left a decent window to meet somewhere in the middle.

Maybe I was to forward/firm in the email, but HR director lady responds to me by rescinding the offer b/c they "have a deliberate recuitment and selection process and we would not want to be put in a situation or have you in a situation where you are unhappy with your employment opportunity." I was pretty shocked. At worst, I thought she'd just say,"no, we can't do that please have your decision re: the original offer by the agreed upon timeline."

Now, the main person who actually interviewed me (twice) and made the decision to select me, set up interviews, call my references, check all my documents, etc. was pretty shocked that the HR person essentially trumped her and the entire hiring process. Everything I've seen on the web, reddit, some others I know were pretty confused too. The more I think about it, I'm starting to consider it pretty unprofessional behavior on the HR director's part to rescind an offer just b/c I attempted to negotial starting salary placement, but moreso that she singlehandedly trumped the entire hiring process at this place. I mean, instead of all these questions the committee asked me across 2 rounds of interviews, they could have just cut to the chase and asked me if I'd take $XX,000 dollars with no questions asked. What a complete waste of time.

I guess my questions are, 1) any experiece with salary negotiation resulting in pulled offers of employment? 2) anyone in hiring/HR have any explanation for this? 3) any recommendation about how I should follow up?

I have no criminal history, all references were checked, called and verified prior to the HR office taking over the process. I'm kind of at a loss, but it's really no big deal b/c like I said I am pretty content with my current position. Everything I've heard/read is that you should always negotiate starting salary in a professional manner, stating the reasons for your worth to the company and your excitement for the position, which I thought is what I did. Thanks in advance for indulging in the discussion.

Albatross

May 28th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^

I never heard of that, but I did get fired once cause I asked for a raise.

I was hired in at a low salary and found out that i was making $20,000-$30,000 less than others that were at a similar level as me. It wasn't so much that i was making so much less than everyone else, than it was that I was barely making ends meet and they were heaping more and more responsibilities on me.

I was young at the time and didn't know how to handle the situation, so talking to people i trusted they all told me to ask for a raise. So I finally mustered up enough courage to talk to my boss and ask for a raise. And I ended up getting a $5,000 raise, which was nice but did little to get me to where I thought i needed to be. So about six months later i made my case to my boss again for a salary adjustment. My boss agreed with all my points and said she would talk to HR about it and see what they could do. Well a few weeks later my boss calls me into her office and tells me they are letting me go.

I didn't even know what she meant at first cause I didn't think getting fired was even an option, cause I always had great performance reviews and was told by multiple people that they never wanted to lose me. I guess they figured I was going to be a PITA and ask for raises every few months. Who knows. But it was an eye opener. Those were the only two times in my working career that i ever asked for a raise, and I would handle the situation differently now.

The good news was I got a job about two months later for considerable more than what i was making. It was when the economy was booming back in the 90s and when i started looking for work I had 3 job offers. So getting fired was probably the best thing that happened to me cause it forced me to test the market.

 

 

maizenbluedevil

May 28th, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

We are on the same page here.

I agree it should be behind the scenes. What blue marrow wrote that I was responding to was this:

"If a candidate is too stupid to understand a contract, and blindly relies on an lawyer to do his bidding, then I move on. I'll take the person who looks me in the eye, shakes my hand, and wants to get to work. Most contracts are not worth the paper on which they are printed, much less the fees associated with their derivation."

That's quite a double standard since any competent company will either: 1) have an attorney draft all contracts, 2) at least consult an attorney if they write the contract, or 3) use boilerplate written by an attorney.

So for him to turn around and say that a prospective employee is "stupid" for also wanting the consultation of an attorney relative to a contract is quite ridiculous.



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late night BTB

May 28th, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^

HR is the worst.  Only worked with one person out of dozens that added any value or didn't make things unnecessarily difficult.  Their job could be replaced by a well put together search engine/bulletin board.  Unsurprisingly, HR is usually entirely made up of women. #Truth

 

Wendyk5

May 28th, 2015 at 3:23 PM ^

Unsurprisingly, our completely ineffective government (both parties) is usually entirely made up of men. #Truth

Unsurprisingly, our jails are usually entirely made up of men. #Truth

Unsurprisingly, terrorist organizations are usually entirely made up of men. #Truth

 

I'm sorry - what was your point again? 

 

Mr. Owl

May 28th, 2015 at 4:19 PM ^

You should definetly write a professional letter to this HR woman asking for an explanation.

It should begin: "Listen here, Sugartits..."