Yahoo Sports on the hoke / Morris disco
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/fireable-offense-brady-hoke-140727469.html
September 28th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^
Welp, national media reporting Hoke must be gone by tomorrow for this. We'll see how this plays out.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
There are really only two conclusions
1) He is indifferent to his players being seriously injured (this cannot be true)
2) He is so clueless and unobservant that he has no idea what is happening on the field.
Either way, he should be gone already.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^
Option 2 seems like the obvious answer. In the Miami game with the delay of game how do you not have one person on the sideline who's sole purpose is to pay attention to the game clock.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^
...when Utah took that punt to the house. These are basic things any competent staff should be able to handle at any level of organized football and certainly at a major college program. There's a pattern here, and it doesn't look good for the staff.
September 28th, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^
In his interview, he also didn't hear the "Fire Hoke" chant from the student section. They're less than 200ft away.
September 28th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
Chances of that actually happening: zero to none. But, still a good point about Hoke seemlingly not concerned about the safety of his players. I wouldn't let my kids play for someone like that.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^
If this story continues to escalate he could be gone by the end of the week. This is embarrassing for the University, not just the athletic department. There are crusty old rich people (my uncle, God rest his soul) that have a lot of influence over this program. They can handle a few losses, but are not comfortable with embarrassment (i.e. Moeller, RR at the end).
September 28th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^
We are all angry, but can you imagine being Shane's parents yesterday? I would have ran on the field if my son was put in that situation.
September 28th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
My son took a similar hit a few years ago. It was handled completely different. My son was told to stay on the ground, the team physician ran onto the field and then he was sent to the locker room. It took him several weeks to completely recover.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^
is indeed gone. The prospect that some of these kids transfer and that we lose recruits is not enormous.
September 28th, 2014 at 1:53 PM ^
Q: After yesterday, how does Hoke go into any parent's house and tell them he is going to "take care" of their kid?
A: He can't.
Q: So why should ANY parent send their kid to play for Brady Hoke?
A: They shouldn't.
September 28th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^
Those who've seen my posts know I've defended Hoke a ton, but seeing that was really indefensible. I was very disappointed in seeing that. That said, really kudos to Morris for giving his all out there.
September 28th, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^
Never underestimate the human instinct for entrenchment, however stupid or ill-advised.
This situation has growing parallels to Hosni Mubarek in Egypt. Thank god sports are the closest analogues we ever have for real crises.
September 28th, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:07 PM ^
Are you talking about the guy with his arm around Morris holding him up? From the staff photos, it looks like it was Paul Schmidt, your head trainer.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:33 PM ^
If Schmidt did indeed examine Morris, then why didn't Hoke specifically mention that during his post-game presser? He could have said "We had our medical guys look at Shane and they said he was OK, and that's why we sent him back out when Devin lost his helmet."
The fact that he didn't say any such thing (apparently) is damning. Whatever the reason, it's inexplicable.
September 28th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
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September 28th, 2014 at 11:58 AM ^
I have ever read on a college coach. The sad part is what was wriiten is true. The University cannot let this go without some comment or action. THIS IS NOT MICHIGAN!
September 28th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
Yes, this is a truly damning story and indictment of this staff but we've heard worst.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
The point is that he could have been concussed and that is the key.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^
Yeah, that's the point. No one knew. Hence: don't put him back in the game. Instead of getting a test he was put back in the game (and kept out there at first). That's all that matters.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:40 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^
What sucks about this is, this isn't just Hoke. The whole staff. Nuss couldn't see him wobbling? Team physician didn't see him? And the fact that when he finally was taken out, the doctor didn't take his helmet? All around failure.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:07 PM ^
Over the last 7 years, I've watched Michigan football sink to points of futility that I never thought possible. So at this point, few things shocked me anymore. I was wrong.
This whole Shane Morris saga seems unreal. Either way, Hoke looks like a fool. If he noticed it and still kept playing him, that's evil. If he didn't notice it (though I don't know how he couldn't) he's a clueless moron. How does a coach NOT miss the multiple instances of Shane's injury?
September 28th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
Article was spot on.
In the day and age of finally ackowledging the abuse taken on the football field, Hoke and his staff leave a kid in the game who is clearly hurting (ankle & possible concussion).
Abhorent to say the least. Ego got in Hoke's way and the School looks more than BAD.
Time for him to go.
(And I know this is piling on but a headset might have helped)
September 28th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^
at the beginning of the 2nd half (vs. Gardner) considering how much he struggled in the first half. That alone was a poor coaching decision. But, then as the 2nd half went on and he struggled more, AND he was noticably limping, why the heck did the coaches not pull him? The final straw was when he could barely stand and was left in the game.
Up until this game, I was trying to find ways in my mind to justify supporting BH because I badly wanted him to succeed. But, yesterday in the stadium ended my support of Hoke. Now the Regents and President need to take action because Brandon will do what he usually does unless stopped by someone - stonewall and come up with spin-doctoring to try and stave off doing anything, hoping that the incident will blow over.
September 28th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^
I dunno—what Brandon (or his minions) typically do after another one of their marketing fiascos is they blame somebody else. If Brandon is privately getting significant heat from important people for yesterday's debacle on top of the criticism he's been getting all along, I can see him dumping Hoke to save his own skin.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^
If it were just for team performance you would have a hard choice whether to fire him now or at the end of the season. Leaving him in after the head hit is the reason they have to do it now - if nothing else use it as the excuse to pull the trigger and get it over with. Let Nuss run the team for7-8 games and not have a weekly rehashing of Hoke looking clueless.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^
FYI: This is on yahoo.com, yes, but it's an sbnation.com article from Michigan's blog there, maizenbrew. I don't know the exact relationship between sbnation and yahoo, but it seems that yahoo is now picking up some blogposts to post nationally. So it was written by a Michigan blogger, not a national reporter picking up the story. It doesn't change the message at all, but I think the fact that it's on yahoo.com changes the context a bit.
Link to original: http://www.maizenbrew.com/2014/9/28/6855989/2014-michigan-wolverines-football-fire-brady-hoke-hot-seat-shane-morris-concussion
September 28th, 2014 at 12:40 PM ^
For all of you wondering if this is a national story yet - it's on NFL.com, fer goodness' sake:
September 28th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^
this is definitely a national story:
September 28th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
Small nit, but this article - which is fucking on point and should be read by everyone - was orignally from Maize and Brew, so here's a link to give another M blogger some hits
http://www.maizenbrew.com/2014/9/28/6855989/2014-michigan-wolverines-fo…
EDIT: sambojangles scooped me, heheh.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
Drew did a great job with this article, and like a few others have mentioned above, I think that was also the moment where I checked out on Brady Hoke as having a viable future at the University Of Michigan.
I was still sitting on the fence with this issue going into the game, but what looked like a lack of organization / lack of awareness / lack of caring (not in that order necessarily) just left me feeling bad for the players that have to endure this and particularly bad for Shane Morris who obviously was not 100% operational, if you will.
Another problem is that I think it shoots down the whole idea of a "family atmosphere" that his staff has tried to build since 2011. It might be just me, but if he meant that, then Shane doesn't go back out there in his state.
September 28th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^
The SBN/Yahoo relationship is a weird one, so it's nice to get the right link in there so people actually check out the stuff we do.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
I hope Morris is o.k., but I think he won't recover from that hit for awhile. If I were him, I would have lost all confidence in the staff and everything to do with Michigan. Sad for a guuy who loves Michigan so much.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
ESPN announcers and the media diagnosed Morris with a concussion so we will ignore the facts. Shane got up under his own power, limped over to the huddle (from a previous injury), waved off the coaches, received the playcall, directed his team presnap, made a good read, and delivered a catchable ball to his receiver. He than was pulled and met my coaches and staff members. He continued to talk with a staff member (probably going over concussion protocall) and was deemed well enough to spell Devin for an additional play.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^
Uh, good morning, Coach Hoke. Had your coffee yet? It's gonna be a busy day.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
by the head athletic trainer...