All Things Are Cyclical

Submitted by BuckeyeChuck on November 22nd, 2018 at 8:26 PM

All things are cyclical.

I know that the rivalry has been very painful for you for quite a while. Trust me, I can relate. Not only can I relate with the pain you’ve been enduring, but you can now relate with the pain I went through.

From 1985 through 2001 was a 17-year stretch during which I was perpetually looking up at Michigan. In arguably 13 of those 17 seasons Michigan had the better team. (the intended graphic does not display. See Winsipedia, http://winsipedia.com/michigan/vs/ohio-state [trim graph to view from 1985 to 2001].)

Michigan was consistently better than OSU. I was always looking up at the rival who was the dominant program in the conference. That’s where I wanted my team to be!

Even the 4 times OSU entered The Game as arguably the better team, Michigan won 3 of those 4 games! That means only one time in 17 years did OSU enter The Game as arguably the better team AND win it: 1998. The other 16 years (I’ll do the math for ya, kids) Michigan either had the better team or won The Game, usually both!

Even the 4 wins OSU had over Michigan in those 17 years, 3 of those 4 wins were ~4-loss Buckeye teams. So even though OSU won The Game, it sure didn’t feel like OSU was superior to Michigan.

This includes Earle Bruce’s last game. Sure, it was great to send off Coach Bruce with a win over Michigan. But it was a 4-loss team that was showing its coach the door. Certainly didn’t feel like the OSU program had anything on Michigan.

In Tressel’s first year OSU entered The Game as a 4-loss team. Winning in Ann Arbor was a relief, but it was far from thinking OSU was on the verge of any kind of dominance. At the time it was just a respite to prevent yet another 3+ year losing streak to Michigan.

Cooper’s first win (’94) was also eventually a 4-loss team. It sure felt good to finally beat Michigan again, but it was a far cry from thinking OSU had the superior program.

Only 1998. The only year in 17 seasons OSU had the better team AND won The Game. It had been 14 years since I last felt that: in 1984 when I watched Keith Byars prance into the end zone leading OSU to a 21-6 win en route to the Rose Bowl. (The very next season Michigan had this arrogant and obnoxious QB…not sure what he’s doing with himself thee days…) Not even just for a single season between 1985 & 1997 was OSU clearly the better team AND the winner of The Game. After 1998, I didn’t feel it again until another 4 years later. Only once in 17 years!

My 1998 is your 2011.

In the 14 years from 2004-2017, only in 2011 did Michigan enter The Game as the better team AND win it.

When OSU won The Game in 2001 & 2002, it had been 20 years since they last won back-to-back years (’81 & ’82). 20 years! I was not old enough to appreciate it then and had to wait another 20 years before OSU put together a win streak of as many as 2 games!

The last time Michigan won back-to-back games was 1999 & 2000. We’re fast approaching the 20-year mark since Michigan last won The Game in consecutive seasons.

I watched OSU go 14 years between victories on enemy turf (1987, 2001). This season marks 18 years since Michigan last did so.

There are many similarities between the two eras.

So…2018. What role will the 2018 edition play in the history of The Game? Are we on the verge of another transition in the rivalry?

  • Will it lead to another run of dominance by Michigan?
  • Will it lead to an era of the rivalry which there is plenty of back & forth and we see each team win 4 to 6 times every 10 years? (The last time the rivalry has had a regular sense of back & forth was the 1980s. During the Cooper era, I never anticipated a time when OSU would dominate the rivalry…I was just hoping that the rivalry would regain some level of back & forth to it instead of always having to break a losing streak. It has been 30 years since the rivalry has had a strong sense of back & forth. 30 years!)
  • Will it lead Michigan fans to yet another level of pain? Will 2018, joined with 2016, lead you to a state of misery similar to what I experienced in ’93, ’95 & ’96? The pain of those years was even worse than the pain of ’88-’91, when Michigan won simply because they were the better team, which was painful enough.

How will 2018 make its place in the history of the rivalry?

Time will tell…

…in 39 hours, 27 minutes, and 57 seconds…56…55…54…

 

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Comments

Merlin.64

November 23rd, 2018 at 11:20 AM ^

Good post. A reasonably objective and thoughtful assessment is welcome, and it encourages civil discourse rather than the angry excesses that some fans engage in. I appreciate the insights, especially as I have not followed UM football all that closely until the past few years. (Cable TV and the internet have made a big difference for alums who do not live close.)

schizontastic

November 23rd, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^

BuckeyeChuck, I appreciate the post. Something all of us know sub-consciously (I grew up during the Cooper years). Still, pretty surprising to me how bad 1985 - 2000 was for OSU fans when written out explicitly. Didn't remember it being the inverse of the last 15 years for us. 

Reminds me of the pop psychology trope that people feel worse from losses than they feel good from wins (e.g., in controlled psych lab experiments with $ win/lose games).   

cnldad

November 23rd, 2018 at 2:38 PM ^

Good post, BC. I was 20 when Harbaugh made his guarantee so I’ve seen both sides. It’s just hard to remember the details of when we’ve had it that good. Good luck to you, even though I hope you’re sad this weekend. I’ve lived in Columbus for 16 years (and 25 of the last 30) and I’m tired of coming so close and having to talk about it afterwards 100 times......

Perkis-Size Me

November 23rd, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^

Solid post from a reasonable Buckeye. Two statements I never thought I'd utter on this site. But here we are. 

As much as I'd love for it to go back to the 90's where Michigan dominated the rivalry, I don't think that's a reasonable expectation, as long as either Meyer stays, or you all get another hit on your next hire. Part of what's fueled OSUs' dominance is years of coaching turmoil for Michigan, and then under Carr's later years, a failure or just an outright refusal to adapt to mobile QBs and spread systems. Not to discredit OSU, but that certainly helped fuel the incredible run you've all been on. Why do you think MSU had that incredible 5-6 year run under Dantonio? Certainly helped them that Michigan was face down in the gutter nearly the entire time. 

But nothing lasts forever in this universe. Nothing. We're all on one big pendulum that's just waiting to swing back the other way.  That's not me being a homer. It's quite literally the way of the universe. Saturday may be the day it begins to happen.

If Michigan wins and Meyer stays, I hope this ushers in a Ten Year War 2.0 for the rivalry. How great would it be to see matchups like this between both teams every single year, where you really don't know who's going to win and it goes back and forth almost every year? Its the way it should be: The Game deciding the Big Ten, the Rose Bowl, the CFP selection, and possibly the team that wins it all. 

That is all I've ever truly wanted from this rivalry. 

brad

November 23rd, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^

I appreciate this, BuckeyeChuck.  One thing that has always stood out to me about Ohio State fans vs Michigan's other rivals is your sense of respect for your enemy, awareness of the looong past of both sides and a real desire for truly competitive play.  

 

I sure as hell hope Harbaugh brings back the Michigan dominance of the early and late 90's, and who knows, tomorrow could be the start of that.  But regardless of what the next 20 years of this great rivalry looks like, it's somehow comforting to know that this day will bring out Michigan's best because of who you are and who we are.

Collateral Whiz

November 24th, 2018 at 3:31 PM ^

Thanks for the reverse jinx.  Can you admit now that our run is worse than yours?  You may not have been better than us, but at least you won some games during your 15 year stretch.  We're now going on 18 years, 2 wins.  I don't want any more have some perspective posts from Buckeye fans.  

BuckeyeChuck

November 24th, 2018 at 10:26 PM ^

Yes, I can acknowledge that your streak of misery has lasted for longer than my streak of misery did. But what is rather new to your misery is the intense pain of losing when it crushed any aspirations of further success.

What you're feeling today is what I felt in 1993, '95, '96, & '97. The intensity of those losses was worse than losing when Michigan was simply better. Even though Michigan has already lost several times this century, it wasn't until 2016 & '18 that you've felt the same kind of pain I felt in that 5-year stretch. And it really sucked. It sucks for you too.