Detroit News Q&A with Brady Hoke
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131026/SPORTS0201/310260031
October 26th, 2013 at 10:05 PM ^
Hoke is 14-6. If Arizona maintains their halftime lead, Rodriguez will be 13-7 (after inheriting a 4-8 team that lost a QB to the NFL draft, its leading rusher, and its top 3 receivers).
People still acting like their vastly differing records at Michigan are a reflection of coaching acumen are beyond fucking retarded.
October 27th, 2013 at 12:22 AM ^
October 27th, 2013 at 12:51 AM ^
"A record is a reflection of one's coaching acumen."
This is Hoke's 11th year as a head coach, and RR's 20th year. RR has a better win percentage over his much longer tenure. RR has 8 conference championships; Hoke has none.
Brandon paid more for a quality DC (Mattison) than he paid the DC and OC combined under RR. Almost immediately, UM went from one of the worst defenses in the country to a steadily good defense ever since (even in the first year, without "Hoke's guys").
On the other hand, our offense has steadily regressed from the heights of 2010.
If, after watching the Akron, UConn, and PSU games this year, you think we have built an incredibly sturdy base of a program, especially on offense, that is your right. Others, who have seen what Borges has done throughout his journeyman career, or the lack of OL development under Funk, see things differently.
But given your original statement regarding coaching acumen, you may want to tone down your comments on RR and Hoke. (Or, at least until Hoke catches up in the win column, wins a few conference titles, etc.)
October 27th, 2013 at 2:49 AM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 11:21 PM ^
October 27th, 2013 at 12:42 AM ^
Let's take his best year, shall we? One of those wins was 67-65 3OT against Illinois. Obviously that could have been a loss. Another was a game-winning drive against ND to win 28-24. That could have obviously been a loss too. Oh, and let's not forget he almost got caught the week after the ND game by UMass, who was an FCS opponent...only won by 5 points that game. Beat IU by one whole touchdown. Wowza.
And that was a season with 6 losses. And it was his best year here. So soon we forget how bad it really was.
I mean, we're talking about a team that's 6-1 right now. Obviously a large question mark looms over their heads given the gauntlet that faces them in November. But, Hoke doesn't deserve to get crucified for anything until there's a real reason to (and no, almost losses are NOT a real reason). If he finishes the year 0-5...yeah, maybe we should crucify him then. Maybe you can start to compare him to RR then. But right now, that comparison is laughable at best.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:27 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 11:51 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:20 PM ^
This is his third season. He won 11 and 8 games his first two seasons. Ron Zook had several losing seasons. 8-4 would have been outstanding for the Zooker.
The problem here is not with Hoke, but with you and the fans who had unrealistic expectations. This was a team that had an inexperienced QB, inexperienced interior O, and inexperience at several spots on defense. It isn't Hoke's fault that you harbor delusions of grandeur.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:23 PM ^
Too soon to tell. It will fall on player development. The latter Carr years brought in plenty of talent but mirrored plenty of 3 and 4 loss seasons. i.e. we played well below our talent. Right now Hoke is working with a 2010 class that is well documented to be very poor and a 2011 class that DOES NOT HAVE ONE SINGLE STARTER ON OFFENSE. Think about that. I bet NO OTHER team in the country does not have A SINGLE STARTER on offense from the 2011 class. The 2010 and 2011 classes should be the bread and butter of a team in 2013. We have some contributors but not enough. The book on Hoke will be out by 2015 unfortunately because he has never "done it" (i.e. been elite) anywhere else we don't know if he can do it here. He is a hell of a recruiter - that is all we know. The game management leaves something to be desired as he is a major delegator during game time. We've seen some "curious" decisions. My main worry this year is I thought Hoke was more of a Les Miles, take a chance type than a Lloyd Carr play it conservative type - he seemed to do that in 2011 and 2012 when he had less to lose but now he seems in some games to have (PSU) reverted to Carr-isms. I could care less about interviews - they dont tell you much. He wont give away things he is unhappy with because it is coach speak. I will see with my eyes. He has a pass this year and unfortunately with another potential disaster year from the OL next year and losing almost all our WRs next year (Funchess and Chesson only to come back) he will get a pass next year. 2015 has to be it - only Morris will be a wildcard, and the schedule fits UM big time - rivals at home. It has to be a 1 loss type of year. Otherwise I dont think he is a coach that takes you to elite status - he just can take you to "Carr status" i.e. the old Michigan 3, and 4 loss seasons now standard for 20 years.
October 27th, 2013 at 12:57 AM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 10:55 PM ^
October 27th, 2013 at 1:42 AM ^
and deleting are your friends.
Try it before posting things like this. It usually works for me.
(edit: this was in response to a post by "Epic-Blue" at 9:11 pm which appears to have been since deleted. Possibly he was also "deleted"? Here's his original post, which I copied but then failed to paste until now:
Is Ron Zook reincarnated! Hell of an recruiter, but can't put it all together! I predict many 8-4 seasons in or future. Mediocre coach. Mediocre results."
It was so epically bad that I couldn't help but respond hours later...)
October 26th, 2013 at 9:18 PM ^
By the way anybody watching UCLA and Oregon? Out of 22 starters for UCLA 13 are freshman and sophomores. Currently they are going blow for blow with Oregon, just sayin.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:20 PM ^
On the road.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:24 PM ^
Just because UCLA is doing it that does NOT mean it is at all a reasonable expectation. There are exceptions to most rules.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:29 PM ^
Do you have any reservations about Hoke? Do you think it's possible to be excited about some aspects of our program (primarily recruiting) and worry about other things (refusal to modernize our punting, late game clock management, offensive identity/philosophy)?
October 26th, 2013 at 10:02 PM ^
I am concerned with Borges playcaling, but the scheme itself is fine. We know Manball works because we have seen Bama use it. Borges has shown a willingness at previous stops to go multiple, which is what I prefer anyways.
The punting scheme doesn't concern me one bit. I have seen punts blocked out of both schemes. Execution is what matters most.
I don't see worrying on here, but panicking. People are seeing the success of Ohio and to a certain extent, MSU, and compare that to UM's struggles, and they are freaking out. I think that is a mistake. Both of those programs have more experienced than UM. Ohio in particular has an advantage because of the smooth transition from Tressell to Meyer.
October 26th, 2013 at 10:20 PM ^
I agree that there are way too many people overreacting to single game outcomes and panicking and those people do bring down the overall quality of discussion, but I do think there are some legitimate concerns with consistency. And I don't think that it can be entirely attributed to youth.
October 26th, 2013 at 10:50 PM ^
hoke also said he concerned with consistency
October 26th, 2013 at 10:55 PM ^
And I'm concerned he's playing a significant role in it.
October 27th, 2013 at 11:53 AM ^
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:14 AM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:26 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:31 PM ^
Bo wasn't a Michigan man! How did that turn out??!! Oh wait...
October 26th, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^
No national titles, no Heisman trophy winners, 5-12 in bowls (2 Rose Bowl wins to his credit), 13 Big Ten titles (not too shabby), 11-9-1 vs. OSU and a pretty damn good record.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:44 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:49 PM ^
agreed. The lingeage thing has become overstated. You need someone well versed in the Midwest, especially Ohio and IMO increasingly northern VA to NJ corridor is one place a UM coach needs to have ties to, if not himself his staff as there is a lot of talent and no major powers in that area. And far less competition from the SEC teams for those kids. They did go for Schiano (sp?) from Rutgers in the last coaching search so they dont appear married to it and frankly outside of Miles... if Hoke doesnt work out, I dont see any viable candidate who is part of the "lineage". It is a bit surprising with all the coaches churned out at UM there are not a lot of guys who went to other programs from either the Moeller or Carr years and are a hot commodity. So I think by default if Hoke is released say 2016 they will have to go a non "lineage" direction as there wont be many candidates unless the Miles 2.0 is the decision. I really could care less if they have an association with UM prior - as long as they have ties to Ohio and the HS staffs and are a winner. Hopefully it is Brady.
October 26th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^
Just bring back the neg Brian Cook.
This is perhaps the most ridiculous post I've seen. Hoke isn't going anywhere by 2016 except to recruit kids for 2017, 2018 and 2019.
October 27th, 2013 at 4:51 AM ^
How many years at Michigan should a coach have without getting to a Rose Bowl? 4? 5? If Hoke can't do it in 2015 it will have been 5 years. How many are you willing to sit back and watch all the other teams get to it while we sit and watch? 6? 7? 10? How many chances?
October 27th, 2013 at 9:31 AM ^
Step off the ledge fella...we could be Nebraska.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:38 PM ^
as did Lloyd Carr(who also won a national title). It seems to me that hiring "Michigan Men" has worked out for Michigan.
You really need to stop posting because you are having an incredibly difficult time constructing a semi-logical argument.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:51 PM ^
October 27th, 2013 at 11:15 AM ^
October 27th, 2013 at 9:05 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 10:18 PM ^
Let's get Mora Sr. on our staff, at least losses would be capped by legendary rants/tirades.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:31 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:36 PM ^
Any personn who thinks getting blown out by Ohio and Mississipp State in Year Three is "progressing" is something who is at odds with reality.
A lot better players? LOL. No, UM does not have "a lot better players" than RichRid did in Year Three. At least not on offense.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^
next week is critical for this staff the honeymoon is over. Youth had nothing to do with not having e a QB ready when Denard went down in the Nebraska game last year, youth had nothing to do with not having a center ready to play this year, youth had nothing to do with having a full off season of spring and summer practices, and still not knowing your team couldn't block power, youth had ZERO to do with 27 rushes for 27 yards.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^
Why did Mork have Maxwell in at the end of the ND game? Why couldn't Texas figure out how to stop BYU's zone read? Why cannot Bama figure out how to stop Johnny Football? What's wrong with LSU's defense? How can MSU's WR's be so consistently inconsistent?
You act as if other teams don't have similiar issues when in fact they do.
October 26th, 2013 at 9:39 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^
It's fans like you who just need to shut the hell up.
October 26th, 2013 at 10:49 PM ^
October 26th, 2013 at 10:57 PM ^
yep....Michigan's 40 years of consistent winning are all fraudulent.....
we have become RCMB...we have
October 26th, 2013 at 11:21 PM ^
If you're fine with 9-3 and nothing to really shoe for it that's cool but I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to want more.
October 26th, 2013 at 11:36 PM ^
I want to dominate teams and win the national championship every year. We have to give our coaches a fair chance or else we'll fire a coach every 2 years and never get there.
October 27th, 2013 at 1:07 AM ^