Question about last year's Ohio State game
I searched for an answer to this question on MGoBlog but didn't find anything...
It really bothered me that Ohio State was able to walk up to the line of scrimmage and call plays based on Michigan's defensive formation in the 2012 edition of The Game. Ohio changed plays numerous times even after Michigan made adjustments and/or froze our sub-optimal alignment by having Braxton Miller go under center immediately and then stand there for the entire play clock.
Is this a common tactic? I don't remember seeing a team run this as painfully effectively as Ohio did last year. This wasn't a simple huddle, walk up to the line, then audible. They literally saw the entire defensive setup, then adjusted their play at will for what seemed like the entire game. Obviously you can only do this at home, and not on the road.
Any further thoughts about how to counter this move? Ever see another team do this? Wanted to ask before the 2013 season started.
Go Blue
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:38 PM ^
I'll try to actually read your post before I lay down a snarky comment and it might actually make sense next time.
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:39 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:43 PM ^
It almost felt like his original plan didn't work so he panicked and had a complete meltdown brain fart...FOR 2 HOURS.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 12:04 AM ^
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August 23rd, 2013 at 8:23 AM ^
you aren't alone. I'm being honest here...It really seems to be the RR haters that can't stomach any critical comments levied against any of this staff, which is ironic considering how negative they were about RR.
I have decided to reserve judgement on AB until this season as he now has the players to run his system. If he has this team performing like he did last year in spite of that, I will say it is definitely time to cut ties with him and look for another OC.
I must say though, it pains me to say that as I genuinely think the guy is hilarious and love his pressers. Hopefully this season he will put all of our minds at ease and show what he can really do when he can run his offense of choice.
August 23rd, 2013 at 9:00 AM ^
I love me some Al Borges, and I hate me some Al Borges. I definitely want to see how this year plays out. If he has another couple duds this year, I am going to be sad, but HE GONE!
August 23rd, 2013 at 7:26 AM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:36 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:46 PM ^
Sort of, but I usually see no huddle offense along with high tempo. Ohio got up to the line and just seemed to stand there for the entire play clock forcing our alignment to stay the same, keeping defensive players in their stance, and sometimes appearing to change their play more than once.
Who knows, maybe this wasn't something special on their part, but it really seemed effective.
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 PM ^
cool, I'll have to pay closer attention I guess. I'm not sure I've ever watched an Oregon game other than back in the Lloyd Carr days when they played Michigan (hold on to the damn ball!)
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^
Because Mattison held them to a pair of field goals in the second half, I don't think this is anything to be concerned about.
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:47 PM ^
good point
August 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 PM ^
Well played.
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:59 AM ^
I didn't feel the sky fall during the Game last year, but like others I was just a little unhappy with Borges for his play calling. Remember that it was their defense, moreso than their offense, that adjusted to us in the second half. Then again, we did the same - it turned into a great defensive battle.
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 PM ^
interesting points.
Care to elaborate about this comment?
"In the case off that game, our defense largely had their play called and set before osu did. That is more of an oddity than than the offense making real or fake adjustments in the manner you speak."
Does Mattison normally set the defense very quickly? From years of watching football, it does seem like >90% of the time the offense lines up before the defense.
August 22nd, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^
The offense lines up first, but the defensive play is already called. The defensive playcall requires certain adjustments depending upon the alignment they are facing, so the players line up according to their assignments.
In the case of up-tempo no-huddle spreads, the offense is already in a formation, but the play is not yet decided. Thus, the defense takes its assigned positions. In cases where there is a significant formation change, you will see the defense adjust accordingly.
August 22nd, 2013 at 11:37 PM ^
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August 22nd, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^
yes, football needs to start so we can discuss football
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:16 PM ^
I pretty much only watch Michigan games
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 9:57 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 PM ^
I really don't remember anything from the 2008-2010 editions of the game
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:02 PM ^
Brandon Graham on the O-Line in 2009 was pretty sweet, otherwise, "no data."
August 23rd, 2013 at 1:02 AM ^
Let's think of those games no more.
August 23rd, 2013 at 8:46 AM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:05 PM ^
We had an offense like that for 3 years...
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 PM ^
I don't remember those years
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:08 PM ^
August 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 AM ^
What are you talking about? Almost every play under Rodriguez our QB would get up to the line, be set, maybe call a fake cadence, and all skill players would turn and look to the sideline for adjustments based on defensive alignment. Yes, Rodriguez and Kelly generally like a faster pace of play than some of the other spread teams, but there are absolutely times when both coaches take full use of the playclock despite not huddling. Just like all coaches, at times, run a no-huddle with very quick snaps.
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 PM ^
- It's ohio
- 9 more days
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 PM ^
Hoke said Ohio State, I heard him!!
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:15 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:18 PM ^
trololololo
Are you a little bro in disguise?
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 PM ^
1. It's actually Ohio State.
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 PM ^
I am disgust. everything about that game. I nearly had a stroke from pure rage over playcalling in the second half. Borges, you better work miracles this season, goddamn it.
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:16 PM ^
If an offense waits to call a play based on the defensive alignment, couldn't the defense go to the "Amoeba" to confuse the offensive play calling
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:17 PM ^
Teams all around the country try to do this. One of the funnier instances (to me) was Texas A&M trying to do it to Alabama. Alabama just proceeded to change their look after A&M called something new in.
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^
I'll have to DL that game
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:23 PM ^
I should say at this point that A&M doesn't bleed the clock as much as OSU does when they run at their normal pace, but the audibling tactics are similair.
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:24 PM ^
sweet, thanks!
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:30 PM ^
I looked up the A&M twelfth man tradition that was mentioned at the beginning of this game...
pretty neat
http://aggietraditions.tamu.edu/team/12thman.html
Also, apparently Centre College in KY (involved in the twelfth man game) was a really good football team back in the 1920's and pulled off a huge upset of Harvard that was named "biggest upset in the first half of the 20th century" by the AP.
August 22nd, 2013 at 10:43 PM ^
August 22nd, 2013 at 11:16 PM ^
lalala I can't hear you
Seriously though, there are quite a few parallels