Ohio State has no D

Submitted by JimBobTressel on

Purdue just hit an 84 yard TD pass on the first play from scrimmage.

It's getting to the point now where I doubt they'll be able to fix it until the offseason

End-Around

October 20th, 2012 at 1:15 PM ^

Outliers are the exception...not the rule.  For the most part, though I have no systemic proof, I would expect the hypothesis that the proliferation of the no huddle spread has caused offensive production to rise and defenses to give up more points.  Don't let your outliers cloud what really exists out there!

DonAZ

October 20th, 2012 at 1:09 PM ^

And near as I can tell there's really no good reason why this should be.

I wonder if it's a case of a head coach's general philosophy influencing decisions related to defense?  My sense is teams that are spread-oriented are that way because the HC is spread-oriented, and maybe they view defense through the lens of the offense. 

An exception to this is, I think, Oregon, which has a decent enough defense.  Not Alabama soul-crushing defense, but decent enough.

 

CRex

October 20th, 2012 at 1:16 PM ^

I think for some coaches they install a soulless killing machine on offense that is good for 400+ yards per game and then they assume everyone they face will have done the same.  Thus spending time on the defense is not as valuable, since it will just be facing unstoppable offenses anyway.  Basically some coaches seem to argue that these days the rules benefit the offense, so you get more out of investing an hour in the offense than you do in the defense.  Of course some other coaches think the opposite. Spread coaches seem the mostly likely to be the kind who advocate the rules favor offense and that should be the focus.  

Some people just seem to have a bad concept of where diminshing returns kick in and you should go spend time with another unit.   

DonAZ

October 20th, 2012 at 1:23 PM ^

I wonder if we're witnessing a swing back in this way of thinking?

Last year ended with WVU torching Clemson, then starting this year lighting up the scoreboard.  Offense was king.   Then Texas Tech put a major hurt on WVU by showing that a high-powered offense can be stopped ... or at least slowed down considerably.  All the talk on ESPN and elsewhere was about how bad WVU's defense was.

I would think at the very least the "all offense all the time" way of thinking would see that trading score for score is based on the assumption of no mistakes.  One scoring drive thwarted by an INT or fumble might well determine a game.

I like watching a good defense at work.

Florida's defense this year looks pretty good ... can't wait for the SC game today.  Having Lattimore out alters the makeup of that game, however.

CRex

October 20th, 2012 at 1:32 PM ^

Personally I tend to wonder if the reason we saw a lot of one aspect teams (good o, terrible d or vice versa) was that coordinator salaries were too low.  Every year there are more FCS programs and more FCS coaching gigs.  Michigan finally wised up and started paying guys.  I think a lot of programs need to realize they need a great HC and at least one coordinator who if you gave him his own team has the football acumen at least win the MAC or Big East.  So you need to pay them enough they don't go off to Ball State.  

Also I agree that hopefully teams will demostrate good D and cause a shift.  I think one of the big problems is typically the B1G tends to demostrate the value of good defense in bowl games, but in recent history tOSU was the only team field constantly fielding a good to great defense.  

M-Dog

October 20th, 2012 at 1:43 PM ^

This is why I'm drooling to see the NC game this year be between Alabama and Oregon. Battle of the two opposing points of view.  We'll see who comes out on top.

I guess I'll be rooting for Alabama since Michigan is headed more toward the Alabama philosophy while Ohio State is headed more toward the Oregon philosophy.

 

  

Seattle Maize

October 20th, 2012 at 1:47 PM ^

This will be interesting. However, I really believe that Alabama would blow out Oregon. Oregon just wouldn't be big or physical enough to stand up to Alabama. Lateral running by Oregon would not go anywhere against that Alabama front. I do see Michigan going more towards an Alabama philisophy and I am very excite about that

DirkMcGurk

October 20th, 2012 at 2:03 PM ^

Anyone think Urb is some what sabotaging the D to remove Adam Sandler. Really the season means nothing as they can't win anything. Zack Boren at linebacker?? Thought they had some great defensive recruits and it seems like he is trying to red shirt them.

In reply to by DirkMcGurk

CRex

October 20th, 2012 at 2:06 PM ^

I just don't think he's that good at defense as:

Times that Urbz has had an elite defense = Times he was signing Mattison's paycheck.  

Of course it is also starting to look like the same is true for elite offense and Mullen being on staff.  

DirkMcGurk

October 20th, 2012 at 2:43 PM ^

Well I just meant maybe he isn't putting the best players out there. I just recall OSU fans talking about the defensive recruits they were getting and I don't see many out there. Zack Boren at linebacker now??? Just odd. You know he doesn't want Luke around.

Urban Warfare

October 20th, 2012 at 2:18 PM ^

The D actually isn't that bad today.  They've held Purdue to 6 points - the other touchdown was on a 100 yard kickoff return that almost cost me my TV and computer.

Darth Wolverine

October 20th, 2012 at 2:34 PM ^

They really don't. This is supposed to be the team that is going to crush Michigan in November? M's and Ohio's offense are fairly similar, but the glaring difference between the two teams is defense...and M has one.

markusr2007

October 20th, 2012 at 2:45 PM ^

 

Purdue defender grabbed his jersey and swung him down to the turf.  He landed on his head (left side).

Miller is clearly shaky getting to the cart/gurney.

It could be a serious injury. They need to be fucking careful with himi, those stupid Ohio medics.