Recruiting Updates
hey fellas, hope you had an enjoyable labour day weekend.
Thought I would share some recruiting news I've been hearing around the blogosphere. Mostly from the 247 blue board: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Michigan-Thread-Notre-Dame-Week-8-PM-Saturday-2685013/769
For the night game Darius Powe will not be able to make it because of complications with flight times. Apparently he has a night game Friday, so it makes things a little bit tough for him to come out. I think he is the best WR we're in on, hope he makes another time. Fellow California WR Payton has confirmed he will be there. Joshua Garnett will not be able to make according to his good friend Zach Banner. Banner will be in attendance though. Garnett said he wants to make out to AA after the season.
Dymonte Thomas wants to hear from Oregon, but Michigan remains his early favourite. From the rivals site we're no longer part of Peat's top group, but we're still in the mix. Justin Hopkins (a 247 staff member) is hearing that we are not out of for Dunn and to keep an eye on his recruitment. Encouraging, hope we can steal another one from osu :). Anyone got any recruiting news, please share! What’s up with Yuri Wright?
here is a link to Scout Exiles's vistor list: http://midnightmaize.blogspot.com/2011/09/initial-visitor-list-for-notre-dame.html
September 6th, 2011 at 5:47 PM ^
Thanks. Just out of curiosity, why do you like Powe over guys like Payton and Darboh?
Also, dammit about Garnett not coming out.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:54 PM ^
is that he may have been overhyped because he started as a freshman at a national-power high school.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:17 PM ^
I agree re: Payton, it sounds like a lot of people feel that he was very good as an underclassman and hasn't gotten much better since.
However, I'm not sure I'd take Powe over Darboh. I would take both, though.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:54 PM ^
if he's consistently performed at a 4* level since his freshman year (ie, he had 4* ability then and still has 4* ability now), is that such a bad thing?
September 6th, 2011 at 7:08 PM ^
If that were the case, no that would not be a bad thing. He didn't have 4* ability as a freshman, he just performed as a freshman how you'd expect a future 4* to perform as a freshman, and hasn't improved at the rate people thought he would.
It's not that as a fresman he was better than most of the seniors in the country, it's that he was better than most of the other freshmen. Since then, a lot of those freshmen have passed him, but the hype he had from being one of the top freshmen has shown up in his offer list and recruiting rankings. Not dissimilar from Marvin Robinson.
September 6th, 2011 at 8:01 PM ^
I've heard this claim, but I don't buy it. The recruiting services have all re-ranked these kids several times, and they all still have him as a highly rated 4-star. His offer list is outstanding, too. I'd love to have Payton in this class.
September 6th, 2011 at 8:18 PM ^
Look, I'm not saying we don't take him. And you're right, he's got a hot offer list, and since he's making visits to these schools, we know at least some of them are still interested.
However, there are rising stock types and faling stock types, and it seems he's the latter. Now, that might mean his stock drops him from a high 4-star to a low 4-star in which case it's no big deal.
But a year ago this kid was getting crazy hype, was an early USC commit and everyone thought he'd be a 5-star lock. Now he's just inside the top 100 on Scout, outside the top 100 on Rivals and outside of the top 247 on 247. If those don't drop any further, he's still a guy we want. He's just not as hyped as we thought, and might not be as good as a couple of the others such as Darboh and Powe.
September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^
In fairness, I didn't know who he was a year ago, so I don't remember the "5-star lock" days. In theory, though, the sites' current ratings reflect how they see him as a prospect given all of the information available. At this moment, he would be right there among our highest-rated recruits.
<br>When I heard all the "overrated" / "product of good marketing" stuff a little while ago, I figured that he make a Wayne Morgan-like drop to a middling 3-star. That's just not how the sites see him.
September 6th, 2011 at 8:58 PM ^
Although you're right, the season's hardly begun and the sites will do a lot more moving and shaking before it's all said and done.
And as far as him being among our highest rated recruits, it depends on the site you go with. If it's Rivals, then yes, he'd be 5th among our current commits. If you go by 247, he'd be behind 9 of our guys, pretty much middle of the pack.
September 6th, 2011 at 9:28 PM ^
It'd be interesting to see whether guys who fall in one re-rank are much more likely to fall in the next.
<br>Anyway, I'm not trying to argue or be a dick. The conventional wisdom is pretty malleable around here, though, and I just wanted to raise a little doubt around the "overrated product of marketing" thing.
September 6th, 2011 at 10:26 PM ^
I don't think you were being a dick, just healthy back and forth.
Anyway, I'm not sure how much of it is a marketing thing as much as he was a very early bloomer who peaked early. His peak still might be high enough to be a solid player.
How he fares this year will tell a lot. I guess we'll see.
September 6th, 2011 at 8:55 PM ^
FWIW, he really isn't a low 4-star. He's very solidly there.
September 6th, 2011 at 9:00 PM ^
Again, it depends on the service, but I didn't say he was currently a low 4-star, just that his stock seems to be going down as opposed to up, but that if it only drops to a low 4-star then that's not a big deal.
September 6th, 2011 at 11:08 PM ^
Agreed! JP is the real deal...hope he goes blue this weekend.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^
I'm no scout or anything, just a casual fan but looking at Powe's tape he looked the most explosive. Powe is the most complete receiver, is a deep threat and also great after the catch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpGBUNtuPVI
September 6th, 2011 at 6:06 PM ^
I just don't know what to believe recruiting wise now that TomVH isn't telling me. He seems to be one of the few that reports things after actually talking to the person, as opposed to hearing through another recruit or friend. Not to mention he seems to have good feel for recruits and gets more out of them than a lot of people (like when Kalis was talking to only him and everyone else was BSing, Tom knew what was happening). I'm sad now. Hopefully Ace can build up the relationships and connections the way Tom did. And then he can leave us as well. And then make me sad again.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:27 PM ^
Blah Blah Blah.
September 6th, 2011 at 7:13 PM ^
Yeah Tom was something special. He was the one guy all the recruits trusted and everytime he posted something you knew it was quality information.
September 6th, 2011 at 10:02 PM ^
TomVH provided great information but Ace could be the guy - all it takes is time and persistence to get in good with people. Networking, etc. Technically, its not rocket science. You just have to be trustworthy and personable. Its just like a sales position, in a way. That's my take anyway.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:29 PM ^
in regard to getting another OL. With Garnett waiting until after the season to visit and Diamond taking his time, it will be a bit of a waiting game. But, that's a positive bit of news on Dunn. I haven't heard much one way or the other for a while. And in my book, he's still a huge target for Michigan. Anything new on the other running back - Brown?
September 6th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
Garmon is supposedly visiting for ND, last I heard, as well.
September 6th, 2011 at 7:11 PM ^
But I'm pretty sold on Darboh... That kid can't commit soon enough, in my opinion.
On the other hand, if we could get two four star wideouts it'd be outstandical.
September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^
September 6th, 2011 at 7:34 PM ^
Already commiteed but Eric Magnuson will be there too. SIAP
September 6th, 2011 at 8:52 PM ^
Im still holding out for dorail green beckman
September 6th, 2011 at 10:00 PM ^
Power back to complement Denard? Yes please !
September 7th, 2011 at 1:40 AM ^
Jordan Payton=Pro style receiver.
September 7th, 2011 at 2:11 AM ^
what do you mean?
September 7th, 2011 at 7:02 AM ^
Good Route running / Possession receiver.. A Jason Avant type player.
September 7th, 2011 at 8:18 AM ^
of the three WR's. Hopefully we can land two of them, that would be tremendous. It stnks that Garnett won't be in though, I had really high hopes for him. Great news about Dunn too, he is coming this weekend isn't he?