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Brian

 

If this was an editorial cartoon, Steve Martin would have "Michigan" written all over him and the phonebooks would say "alumni." Also it would be terrible.

You know, my immediate reaction to this AnnArbor.com headline…

Former receiver Braylon Edwards impressed by one Michigan coach, down on another following busy Friday

…was "great, more people talking crap about Rodriguez." Turns out Edwards was just talking crap about Mike Hart. Well played, Bigelow. It's good to know that we've stopped taking hardly veiled shots at Rodriguez and are ready to move on

“Just more about the tradition,” Edwards said of Hoke’s message. “And he appreciates the alums, and he definitely wants to get us involved and do everything we can to educate the players who play there now.

“Because it’s sad to say, a lot of them don’t know the tradition at Michigan. Back in the day, players knew the former players. They knew the countdowns, the titles, Hail to the Victors. I’m sure if you ask some of the kids on the team now, I guarantee there’s a couple of kids that don’t know all of the words in full.”

Son of a bitch. People are talking crap about Rodriguez not respecting Michigan's tradition at the alumni flag football game he started. In related news, this year's Tunnel Of Victors will feature a special version of the MGoBlue banner that says "F.U. RICHROD."

Meanwhile… Braylon Edwards. He should probably stop talking and doing things. When you punch some dude or say your DUI for blowing twice the legal limit was because of tinted windows or that Cleveland "has nothing" while you have a "New York-type essence" or that your teammates quit and the starting quarterback should be different and your OC is bad or that people on the football team don't know the fight song, that doesn't reflect well on yourself or "Lloyd Carr's" University of Michigan. It's one thing to take swipes at current players who might not be great at football collectively. It's another when they're awesome dudes and you're someone people euphemistically dub "controversial" or "outspoken." Because bitching about Charlie Frye makes you Malcolm X.

Mike Hart also said some things about how Rodriguez didn't value the tradition but prefaced that with a statement about how he always felt welcome back; Breaston dismissed the "he wasn't accepted" bit and focuses on winning games; meanwhile, Ron Bellamy:

“We are ecstatic,” Bellamy said. “We know it’s a process. You can’t build up the program in a year or two. You have to give him a chance to bring his guys in the right way and play football in this conference the way it is supposed to be played.”

Edwards before last year:

"He has to make it work," Edwards said. "If he can't -- me being one of the alumni guys -- I want someone that can make it work. We've been patient. If it doesn't go right this year, we'll have to find a guy that can make it work with that winged helmet."

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Since Michigan's tradition quickly became "screw you, Rich Rodriguez," I can't imagine why there was a disconnect there.

Who cares? We just watched a bunch of guys who essentially never beat OSU and/or quit en masse once they didn't like the head coach blame Rodriguez for the program's decline. Yeah, it declined. Yeah, Rodriguez had a lot to do with it. So did they. Jim Brandstatter of all people:

"He had a lot of strikes against him when he walked in the door and that was sad," Brandstatter said.

Whatever Rodriguez's failings were they were amplified by a culture that immediately rejected him. There was a rebellion the seniors on this year's team are pointing to as a Bad Idea. Someone sold him out to the Free Press. He was treated like garbage at alumni outings.

Meanwhile, the complainers were the reason Michigan had to go outside the family. The Great Tradition of Michigan had recently devolved into a 1-6 record against OSU and The Horror. The Great Tradition had produced zero plausible head coaching candidates to continue it. The Tradition is blaming it all on a scapegoat instead of manning up and looking in the mirror. They are collectively Edwards blaming his 0.16 BAC on tinted windows.

That's not a good way to run anything. Without a serious analysis of what you did wrong other than "hire that outsider," with how your culture is messed up, you become Notre Dame. Some guys were willing to be active with the program over the last few years and plenty more didn't sell it out publicly; the decision not to speaks to the player, not Rodriguez. stonum-doom

Carr's former players aren't the program. A subset of them think it's about them, but it's about Denard and Molk and Martin and Kovacs, the ones who stayed and worked hard and were emphatically not champions thanks in some small part to people like Edwards. Van Bergen:

"You know, it's just kind of unsettling that there's … it's great that they're back, but it's kind of, where have they been the last two or three years?" Van Bergen said. "We've still been wearing the same helmets since they were here."

Despite what they think, the alumni are just fans now. It's hard to imagine a big chunk weren't the loathsome sort glorying in a season-ending blowout.

So you'll have to excuse the rest of us who stood in those stands during the Fandom Endurance III game and are terribly sad about how the last three years worked out: we've got a phonebook to care about instead of Braylon Edwards's glorious return to the program.

[ROTE DISCLAIMER THAT WILL BE IGNORED: This is not a defense of Rich Rodriguez. Rodriguez should have been fired. It is not a criticism of Brady Hoke. I wrote a big long post about how Hoke's three non-MAC coordinator hires constitute a real reason for optimism. Early indications are this staff is taking advantage of the opportunities placed before them in this year's recruiting class, and with what's going on at OSU the hypothetical ceiling on the program could blow off.

I look forward to this being interpreted as an attack on Hoke in the comments. Bring it, reading comprehension failures of America.]

Comments

mad magician

April 19th, 2011 at 3:45 PM ^

Rodriguez "didn't think the place was necessarily any more special than anyplace else," Garrison testified, "and I was angry about that."

If that's how he felt about his alma mater, how did he feel about Michigan? Can we dismiss Garrison's sentiments after seeing the manner in which Rodriguez left Michigan, where he was reportedly flirting with the Maryland job before he had even been fired? Where he went on CBS and moaned about how unfairly he had been treated, how Dave Brandon doesn't know football like he does?

To be clear, I was an ardent supporter of Rodriguez at Michigan. While 'mercenary' probably isn't the right word (since I think if he'd been successful here he would have stayed for a very long time) I can't shake the perception, after three years of being on his side, that Rich Rodriguez is, above all things, about Rich Rodriguez.

kgh10

April 19th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^

Lol yes Garrison is not an interested party at all. Take all of his quotes as a fact of how Rodriguez actually felt. He really knew into Rodriguez's soul, you know, because he was hired mid-way through Rodriguez's last season at WVU as university President.

He was reportedly flirting with Maryland?! Lol facts would be nice, please, not rumors from Twitter. Even if Maryland had contacted him, Maryland was the one putting feelers out to candidates all over the country. And you assume it was Rodriguez doing the flirting? I've noticed an affinity for assuming things, it's making this debate difficult.

The manner in which Rodriguez left Michigan? How would you describe such manner? I don't think he ever said anything that 1) wasn't true or 2) was at all inflammatory towards UM, our fans, our University, or the players. Obviously he was not happy with being fired and had hoped for a longer tenure, who wouldn't feel that way?

King Douche Ornery

April 19th, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^

Tell Michigan fans to "get a life" at one point?

Face it: The guy didn't stand a chance--yes, he was disliked from the get go, but he did NOT get Michigan. He was a phony.

He gets another job (like the Clemson gig everyone seems to be praying for)--he'll flop there as well.

mad magician

April 19th, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^

My problem with how Rodriguez left Michigan is that he refused to take any responsibility for the team's performance. It was always someone else's fault.  Consider the Dennis Dodd piece from January:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14640415/rich-rod-we-tho…

- "What I am going to do to make sure the next job I get, we win the national championship and everybody is pulling in the right direction. Dave's been on the job -- what? -- nine months? He knows the business world. I did the best I could to tell him or show him what was going on in the football program. I tried to show him as best I could. He wasn't involved in athletics [before getting to Michigan]. I've been a head coach in Division I for 10 years and coaching for 25. I know college football."

This just rubbed me the wrong way, especially throwing Brandon- the AD who went to war for you with the NCAA- under the bus.   

- ""We've been in the top 10, played in Sugar Bowls [as a coach], but it seemed like some of the other drama that occurred at Michigan was almost a nonstop thing."

True enough, you had to deal with difficult circumstance. That doesn't exonerate you from poor performance

kgh10

April 19th, 2011 at 3:47 PM ^

Let me bold a different part of that quote:

"Garrison also revealed he had a testy exchange with sports agent Mike Brown in the summer, before he'd assumed the presidency, in which Brown vowed to "shop, as he put it, Product Rodriguez on the open market.""

Maybe, perhaps, it was the final straw because a job he really liked opened up? Perhaps Rodriguez found a job worth leaving for. Consider this: He didn't like Alabama enough to leave for Alabama. He liked Michigan enough to leave for Michigan. In both situations, he was unhappy with things at WVU. I have weaved my own narrative out of the same set of information you have, and came to a different conclusion: He chose Michigan because he liked Michigan, not because it was any old "big job."

I also included that once he did get the job here, he did much to embrace the tradition and always seemed to desperately want to be a Michigan Man. I don't know how you can say with such certainty he just left because it was any ole big job. I believe he came here because 1) there was an opening 2) he was unhappy at WVU 3) it's a big deal kind of job and 4) he really did like Michigan, above other programs he had had an opportunity to coach.

And while we're at it, why does anyone like Michigan? Why do you think Hoke liked Michigan? Why are those reasons any more sincere than Rodriguez's supposed mercenary affinity for UM?

mad magician

April 19th, 2011 at 4:09 PM ^

"I believe he came here because 1) there was an opening 2) he was unhappy at WVU 3) it's a big deal kind of job and 4) he really did like Michigan, above other programs he had had an opportunity to coach."

I agree with you here. What I'm saying is, that to many former players and alums, these priorities are out of order. They want a coach who wants to coach Michigan because he thinks winged helmets are the bee's knees, that the Victors is a better song than Beethoven's 5th, that Charles White's phantom TD was a fumble then and a fumble forever. They want a coach who feels about Michigan the way Brady Hoke does, the way Bo and Mo and Lloyd did. If Rodriguez ever felt that way, he did a poor job communicating it. And that's just one reason why so many former players were wary of the Rodriguez hire.

Back to '07 for a sec:  Had the Alabama job (or any other comparably elite job) been open in 2007, I believe Rodriguez would have pursued it just as ardently as he went for Michigan. The timing wasn't right in '06; RR had a top 5 team at WVU and Garrison was not yet the president.  

 

InterM

April 19th, 2011 at 4:45 PM ^

any evidence of Bo waxing poetic about Michigan as his dream job, as opposed to an obvious step up from Miami of Ohio and an opportunity to test himself on the big stage, particularly against his mentor Woody Hayes?  If another Big Ten school had come after Bo (or Brady Hoke, for that matter), do you think he wouldn't have listened?  Under your logic, it hardly matters who we hired in 2007 -- if he wasn't from the (essentially non-existent) Lloyd Carr coaching tree, the former players had a built-in excuse to reject him.

mad magician

April 19th, 2011 at 5:12 PM ^

There's the famous story of Bo and his father visiting Ann Arbor and watching practice in the 1940s.

"I can even remember exactly what I was thinking when I looked at all those players out there: Someday, that's going to be me! ... the rest of the way home I went on and on in the back seat about the great Michigan tradition... I was in heaven.

I always wanted to go to Michigan... but I wasn't good enough to play for the Wolverines, and I knew it. I guess they knew it too!"

and later, memories from his first season at Michigan:

"I got to know the tradition that is Michigan. I studied it, I followed it. I got to know the people that created it, young and old."

Sure, Michigan was a better job than Miami. But it wasn't just another job.  More relevant passages  here: 

http://books.google.com/books?id=MgxontYfnJUC&pg=PT44&lpg=PT44&dq=bo+sc…

 

InterM

April 19th, 2011 at 5:20 PM ^

and I've negged myself accordingly.  Still, though, you have to acknowledge that you've severely limited your hiring options (particularly back in 2007) if you consider only those who were "called" to Michigan.  And I'd still put football coaching ability higher on my priority list than "affinity" -- but that's just my own opinion.

TdK71

April 19th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^

Bo wasn't a “Michigan Man” I mention that passage and try to explain that was the moment that Bo decided that his blood ran Maize and Blue. All the events that happened prior to him taking the head coaching job were stops along the way to the destination.

That was a great post that sums up what Bo's makeup was all about.

03 Blue 07

April 19th, 2011 at 9:59 PM ^

What about the blowhards who like themselves, and their idea of what Michigan "should be" (perhaps hiring only from its own coaching tree) more than the University or Michigan Football, leading to them taking a 3 year hiatus from support, and even vocally speaking out against the team's coach? You know, the guys the OP was about, the guys RVB is talking about in that quote?

Mhpangr

April 19th, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^

You're saying you wouldn't take the Alabama job over WVU if you were a college football coach and were given the chance?  How many college coaches do have an "affinity" toward a program.  It's like any other job.  Nick Saban never had many ties to Alabama before he took his job, and he did quite fine with it (shadiness nonwithstanding).  

The same with the UM job.  It is one of the more prestigious coaching vacancies out there when it is available and I don't think you should be more qualified because you loved it here more than anywhere else.  It's a nice feature to have from your football coach, but you wouldn't hire me over Chip Kelly (just an example!) just because I spent 8 years at UM and bleed maize and blue.

Loyalty is a 2-way street.  If you aren't getting the same respect you are giving your beloved institution, then I see no problem in moving on to greener pastures for your own livlihood. 

mad magician

April 19th, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^

I in no way blame Rich Rod for leaving West Virginia. The politics at the school are beyond weird. To address some points:

"You're saying you wouldn't take the Alabama job over WVU if you were a college football coach and were given the chance?"

I would absolutely take the Bama job but then again I didn't go to WVU. Rich Rod didn't end up in Tuscaloosa because he was still at that time torn by his loyalty to his alma mater. It's when things didn't get better over the next year that he made the final decision to leave. Again, no problem with Rodriguez leaving WVU.  The problem from our standpoint, as Michigan fans, is that he ended up at Michigan because by that point he was ready to leave for any job that was better than the one he had. 

 "How many college coaches do have an "affinity" toward a program"

Brady Hoke, Michigan. Among others.

As far as Saban, Alabama and its fans were so desperate after a decade of failure for a winning program they willingly signed up for a mercenary coach and made no apologies for doing so. They were willing to make a deal with the devil. 

King Douche Ornery

April 19th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^

Are probably going to throw BIG WORDS at you in an attempt to derail your argument; But you have laid out the best formula for Rodriguez's failures here I have EVER seen.

No blame, no rationalizing, and no huffy BIG WORDS to impress the readership here (the Scoutie posers, mostly)

"Two drunks who met at a wedding and decided to get married"--BRILLIANT. Nothin more needs be said.

And you are right--Rodriguez would have left WVU for ANY Big Job at that point, and maybe even someone like Purdue. He had to go.

michfan4borw

April 19th, 2011 at 4:47 PM ^

RR for taking a golden opportunity of a job?  or AD Martin for hiring him? 

Either way, it has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of the "Michigan Men" who talk about being a "Michigan Man" and "tradition" and "family" as though they have a clue what any of those things really mean.

InterM

April 19th, 2011 at 4:51 PM ^

Just a simple question:  Which "match made in heaven" coach with an "affinity" for Michigan should we have hired instead in 2007?  And how about another question:  Is Brady Hoke's "affinity" for Michigan going to matter more than, uh, his ability to coach winning football?

mad magician

April 19th, 2011 at 5:19 PM ^

I'm not saying this is why Rodriguez didn't win at Michigan; I'm not even saying Rodriguez shouldn't have been hired. 

I'm trying to explain why so many Michigan players and alumni may were wary of the hire, and how Rodriguez did little to dispel the notion that to him, Michigan was just another job. Saying that Michigan Men don't like outsiders is an oversimplification. 

InterM

April 19th, 2011 at 5:26 PM ^

I see your point and appreciate your effort to explain it.  I do worry sometimes, however, that the Rodriguez experience will be used to justify "Michigan Man" hires well into the future, at the expense of other factors that (in my view) are more important in picking a successful football coach.  I think this is what Brian is driving at with his references to "becoming Notre Dame."

03 Blue 07

April 19th, 2011 at 10:06 PM ^

I feel confident that any coach at a high-level job puts more "heart and soul" into his job than most people can fathom. So, no, I don't think "wanting to be at school X" (in this case Michigan) because it's "school X" really makes enough of a difference to matter more than at least 20 other attributes. When you're working 16-20 hour days, there isn't much more room for working "harder" or "pouring your heart and soul into it because it's MICHIGAN" left to expend. You're at capacity already.

Lloyd's Boy

April 19th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^

I agree with a great deal of this post, however to assert that the alumni of the football program are merely fans is preposterous. How often do we hear of quotes from current recruits that sound like, "I'm very excited about Michigan's program. I grew up watching Jake Long and he is one person I have tried to emulate." The reality is that alumni are a huge draw to recruits. Their efforts for the program are the reason that Michigan is a premier college football program. To minimize that is ignorant and misguided. Don't be so quick to turn your back to the heros of yesterday.

SC Wolverine

April 19th, 2011 at 3:35 PM ^

Agreed.  It's just like Army reunions.  Any time guys make huge sacrifices and bond together under pressure, those relationships will last.  The alumni tells recruits that at UM they are joining something bigger than themselves that will lend nobility to their entire lives.  That means that they remain part of the program indefinitely.  They just need to know the right way to remain part of the program -- passing on the legacy, telling the old stories,  keeping the fire lit, etc. -- which seems to be exactly what Brady is trying to get out of them.

 

 

Marshmallow

April 19th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^

Big Mouth Edwards also had a hot read fail in the 2003 Rose Bowl and ended up kicking the ball into air leading to a USC interception and touchdown.  That loss outweighed the MSU win in my mind.  I would have rather won the Rose Bowl than beat our THIRD biggest rival (yeah, third, since ND has been much more competitive with Michigan than MSU has.  Keep this in mind, RR haters, when you constantly bring up 0-6 vs. OSU and MSU and completely omit the 2-1 against ND, our second biggest rival).

Wolv54

April 19th, 2011 at 2:09 PM ^

the only thing RR could have done differently is win more and win sooner. He couldn't survive the slings and arrows stacked against him from the outset without winning big early, which wasnt going to happen in 2008 or 2009. Part of the blame goes to those who brought the guy here and assumed he could work his "magic" here as he did in Morgantown.

Seth

April 19th, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^

[EDIT: This was a reply to a guy I ended up caving for his later posts -- Original text had Lloyd's record v. Sweatervest at 5-1, not 6-1, and the guy pointed this out. Later on he broke Godwin's Law.]

I caught that on edit too.

2001 - Dammit Navarre

2002 - Dammit Clarrett who shouldn't have been eligible

2003 - Woooo Roses (only time I ever rushed the field)

2004 - Troy Smith (and backing into the Rose Bowl)

2005 - Punt from 35. Infinite Pain.

2006 - that thing.

2007 - Rain, injuries, cold, sadness.

BRCE

April 19th, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^

Brian has continued to state that Carr was 1-5 against Tressel. He has actually said this a number of times, including in this post.

Is it not an accident. Is there a loss in there too painful for him to acknowledge or something? The record is clear. Carr was one-and-SIX vs. Tressel.

 

SysMark

April 19th, 2011 at 3:05 PM ^

I remember one pass in the left flat on 4th down vs. OSU from Henne that, if not dropped by Braylon, might have turned one of those six losses.  I can remember that like it was yesterday and it burns me every time he starts running his mouth about someone else.

Bando Calrissian

April 19th, 2011 at 4:50 PM ^

I was sitting in the Horseshoe looking straight down the sideline where he dropped that one.  Still bums me out and all, but then you put that against MSU earlier that season, and the fact we still went to a Rose Bowl against a juggernaut Texas team (and almost won), and all is not lost.

But, hey, it's easier just to pile on Braylon for everything, right?

sharkhunter

April 19th, 2011 at 2:21 PM ^

He would be petty, defensive, finger pointing, etc.  But he really doesn't get the chance to say or do anything.  He is shamed (which is partly his fault for various reasons, poor performance, ncaa violations and so on) and so far he is being gentlemanly or nice and keeping his mouth shut.  But will he get provoked by Braylon or others and speak up?  And would it be welcomed or justified given the alum and former players' ongoing criticism.  I doubt it.

I get what Brian is saying or at least like many others interpret it my own way.  Braylon either has some booze in his mouth or his foot and when anyone is listening, he is on tour to restore the Michigan brand as he sees or wants it.  Braylon still wears his jersey and thinks he is #1.  He does not and will not care what anyone thinks as displayed at his pro stops.  So, he drops his verbal grenades and leaves town after a stop at Mott's. 

TrppWlbrnID

April 19th, 2011 at 2:41 PM ^

if alumni stayed away from the team the past three years, it is their choice.  it is not the choice that i made, although at times it would have been easier to put on a brown t-shirt instead of a maize one when leaving the house. 

the past three years have been tough, (as was the horror, the horror part deux, the alamo bowl and numerous rose bowl beat downs in the past) but they were balanced by some very joful moments - denard off to the races, triple OT victory, improbably taking back the little brown jug, brandon graham's smile of death.  i wish things were different but i do not regret dedicating a part of my life to this team for the past three seasons or the past thirty.

the bottom line is that my world is better because UM football is a part of it, no matter who is involved or where i am or what is happening and i wish that everyone felt the same.

derpDerpDerp

April 19th, 2011 at 2:42 PM ^

Well said, Brian.

Braylon is an embarassment. Every time he drives drunk, every time he gets in fights at night clubs, every time he acts like a petulant child by taunting opposing players he does damage to Michigan.

I´m done with him, personally. He was a great player once, and now he´s just an asshole that likes to run his mouth. Rodriguez wasn´t successful, but at least he was a good guy by all accounts. Same can´t be said about Braylon.

kgh10

April 19th, 2011 at 2:44 PM ^

I always wonder what if Hoke or someone like him had been hired in 2007, someone with Michigan pedigree.

I wondered if they went 4-8, 5-7, something like that, and showed little signs of improvement what would've happened to Michigan. Where would our scapegoat be? The outsider who didn't understand the traditions?

People complaining about Brian talking about this I think might be missing an important point: The Michigan culture, good parts but more importantly the bad parts, have not learned any sort of lesson from all of this. They are convinced it went bad b/c the person we hired was an outsider (who didn't win b/c he was an outsider). While this is partially true, it mostly didn't work for a million other reasons not pertaining whatsoever to the culture of Michigan.

I think this arrogance will, if not sooner, will come back to get us later if Hoke can't be the savior we all hope he will be. God speed Coach Hoke.

SysMark

April 19th, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^

I think  you have a few loudmouths like Edwards sucking up all the air while most former players were rooting for RR to succeed.  Really unfortunate, but he's doing the same thing in the NFL - biggest mouth on the Jets and still drops big passes.  You would think after the DUI he would finally shup up for a while.  Some people's gall and self-importance have no boundaries.

yoopergoblue

April 19th, 2011 at 4:35 PM ^

I think you are spot-on SysMark.  Braylon Edwards is one of the highest profile ex-players and he is a loud mouth so his stupid words are much more amplified than most of the other alumni.  He does have a right to say something but he should realize that it isn't helping anything by doing it to the extent he has.

PRod

April 19th, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^

I agree with RVB and that those guys should support the current players no matter what they think of the coach.  On the other hand these guys are not fans like that rest of us like Brian states in his article.  These guys built the program and they are not normal fans, what they say does matter and how they feel, right or wrong about the direction of the program does matter.  Of course if RR would have won, many of those feeings would not have mattered, but in the end he did not win.

TrppWlbrnID

April 19th, 2011 at 3:02 PM ^

wonder if this has something to do with Hoke being a master delegator, allowing his trusted geniuses Mattison, Borges, Mallory, Jackson, etc to be out there recruiting and coordinating while Hoke can feel free to be out shaking hands and doing the important politics of reconstruction.  RR never had that opportunity since he had chaos from day 1.