Mike Lantry, 1972
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|5 weeks 4 days ago||Frank Clark as a comparison?||
I know that I don't have the time, but if you really wanted to determine whether Hoke was consistent or not in managing his players who have off field issues you could compare timelines of Frank Clark and Darryl Stonum. I did a google search on Stonum to find an article with two timeline points;
Stonum was arrested for DUI on May 6. He pleaded guilty June 3rd, and the article dated Aug 7 states that Hoke has decided he is suspended for the season and will use his redshirt to return to the team if Stonum fulfils his punishment obligations given by the court.
I suspect that you would find Hoke to be very consistent in that until the player is proven guilty by the appropriate Non-Football judicial system, the player remains on the team. Once that player is found guilty and punished by the Non-Football judicial system, then Hoke makes his own judgement on how the player will be involved with the Football team. Gibbons clearly cannot be on the team because he is no longer a student. Stonum could have returned to the team if he had completed his punishment from Washtenaw Courts. He did not complete his punishment and was subsequently kicked off the team.
As I said, I don't really have the time to go further, but I expect that despite the reason given for Gibbons not playing, Hoke did suspend him during the time the judgment was given to the school, but in reality the final expelling not delivered. Potentially Gibbens was appealing the decision. To have stated what was going on off the field for Gibbons until the final decision was delivered would have been inconsistent with how Hoke handled the other issues.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Are you saying||
that you do not believe that Hoke initiated the hiring when he saw that Nussmeier did not get the HC job at Washington? That Hoke didn't decide to fire his close colleague of five years because it was necessary for success AND there was an excellent opportunity for an OC who was looking for more independence in his job? I can understand the point of view that Hoke is a figurehead. I just can't believe it knowing how complex organizations work and what is required of leadership. Primarily making difficult decisions on limited information.
I think the only contribution Brandon provided Hoke was the assurance that whatever Hoke needed to succeed, Brandon would pay for it. I see this as the same situation as when Hoke wanted Mattison.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Moeller||
Went elsewhere to be a head coach for awhile and then Bo brought him back as OC just before Bo retired as HC. Its all part of building a coaching tree.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Doubt it||
He didn't hire anyone when Saban brought him to Alabama. Same with Scot Shafer hire and Gerg as DC. They all equally work for the headcoach. Hoke would have replaced Funk if that was the problem.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||I agree||
Brian does a great summation of his viewpoint on Borges and analysis of the offense under Borges' control. Year 1 the team did have luck, but I think that was just the turnover karma swinging back to the positive after it hung out on the downside for Rodriguez. If you tally up the number of point scoring drives in 2011 and 2010 they come out nearly the same. The biggest change was the defense actually defended things.
Year 2 I would summarize as "Denard is still the only running attack". Or basically, Borges just couldn't put Denard on a shelf while trying to run the pro-style plays he knew the rest of the offense needed to practice so that they would be proficient in 2013, or at least serviceable. Of course Hoke only had one half of his massive OL haul in recruits, so how much would it have helped putting Denard on a shelf? Hard to say if we gained anything from adding the complicated passing schemes when our best recievers were Gallon and Gardner.
Year 3 is where I think Borges just couldn't admit it was going to suck no matter what. Not only was the OL massively young, but Borges couldn't make the decision to just pick one thing and stick with it. I think the improvement of MSU's offense this entire year is all about practicing the same base plays all year and adding the counters once the base is perfected. Every coach that comments on this site repeated this comment that Michigan has no base. It was reflected in the opposing teams gloating about, "we knew what was coming".
The point I lost faith was during reading Brian's diagnoses of the play where Funchess is in the slot but had to be on the line AND covered up by the WR. How is that NOT a Running play? That play is flawed on the drawing board. High school players would not have covered Funchess and instead joyously streaked into the backfield looking for the TFL!
Prior to that, I was really putting it on the pressure that Michigan must win year in and year out despite having incredibly young players. While I think Borges made a mistake expecting too much from young players, the part that couldn't be fixed was his apparent lack of understanding in how the opposing team uses video to scout you. I ignored the signs when he brought out that insane OL formation against PSU that he had "surprised" Minnesota with. I mean, in reality I couldn't tell if that was his brain child or Hokes. But designing a play where you are blatantly telling the defense "it's a run" is just inconceivable.
I do think the game has passed him by, and despite his knowledge and eloquence, this is the right thing to happen. And is the best for the team.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Great info||
Not really diary material though. You did a good job shadow boxing the quotes from the press release , but I expected more author content for a diary.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||I think the mistake||
everyone makes with this line of thinking is that the coaching staff structure has many levels instead of being flat. All the coaches are hired and fired by Hoke, evaluated by Hoke, assigned to their position by Hoke. Just like Rich Rodriguez hiring and firing his DC. No staff changes beyond the coordinator.
I agree with Don, we would have heard of something from Michigan if it's going to happen, because Hoke would have decided it all at the same time. If he wanted a package deal from Alabama that would have been arranged in the dark secret place where Brandon does all his negotiating.
Check the recruit responses to the firing. They are pretty consistent with "I haven't heard from Coahc Borges for a couple of weeks". That's pretty close to how long Lane Kiffin has been "consulting" with Alabama.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||They are two slightly different metrics||
FEI is a drive based analysis, so having at least one play in a drive as "explosive" will label that drive explosive. When I read the Mathletes description my understanding is that he is rating each first down achieved by how many yards beyond the goal of a first down were achieved. In other words how many explosive first downs does a team achive, rather than explosive drives.
As a quantitative analysis I think this shows that Nussmeier achieves improvement that is independent of the state of the program. Granted it is only two cases on opposite ends of the spectrum, but how much data does any single coach generate? The fact is, in his last two jobs he created improvement on these metrics, with first unproven or limited talent, and then again with proven talent.
The question I ask myself is "why did Saban tire of him in two short years?" I assume Saban knows more than what we can analyze, and there is the fact that he hired him from Washington and must have done so expecting improvement, which he got. So why the change? My conclusion is that as soon as the master recruiter, Lane Kiffin, became available room was going to be made for him, and OC was the only position that wouldn't be an insult.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Can't be just talent||
The freshman would have been on the field at the beginning of the season if the abilities they are showing now were the same two months ago. Where were the freshman for Akron and UConn? Now I am not saying they are less talented. I believe the star ratings in general. But you have to know a lot to apply whatever talent level you have properly. That knowledge only comes from time in practice.
For example, if Green can learn to pick his feet up and stay choppy until he is out of traffic, he will double his yardage output. He is good at hitting shoulder pads, but for some reason, possibly practice, he still gets tackled at the ankles and legs. He is not Mike Hart, he is tall, so he has got to pick his feet up whe the safety dives down to chop him.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Arguing too far apart||
From everything I read, both Brian and Space Coyote indicate that coaching is the issue. What I see in the discussion is that they are both missing the point the other one is trying to make. The "can Kerridge block" discussion is a good example. Space Coyote is explaining how the play is designed and that it is a good playcall in that situation. Specificaally, it mimics a comment Borges made in response to a lack of "bubble screen". Borges stated he would prefer to have a running back filling the space the slot LB has abandoned, because he sees it as a mismatch in the offenses favor even if the slot LB stays home to cover the back. The wrinklr Brian is trying to point out is that since the fullback has been added the slot receiver must be on the line along with the outside WR, and that makes the slot ineligible and thus no need to cover him. Brian's point is that the alignment of the "good playcall" makes it a bad play call because it telegraps run and now the defense has the advantage such that an easy block for Kerridge becomes a difficult block, and the design of the play makes that block critical! In short a play call that is difficult to execute is a bad play call and not the fault of execution.
Brian argues this position, because he has watched the RR offense at WVU. In the design of RR's plays, the slot is still eligible, and if the slot cover blitzes down to stop the run the the QB is coached to pick the bubble screen option, or pop pass, or whatever you want to call it. It is the constraint play that keeps the defense honest and maintains the offensive advantage on blockers. If you make your slot ineligible to catch a pass, you have removed the fear of constraint from the defense and they will punish you. Even the talent gap between Michigan and UConn couldn't make these kinds of plays succeed.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||good point on the checks||
I'm sure that Michigan prepared for uptempo, but seeing it in the game was a different story. They did get better as the game progressed though. Especially the secondary getting themselves lined up. And once that started happening faster, then Indiana could see that things were set, and then waited for the coaches to indicate whether or not to check to a different play.
For me, it is like every other scheme. If your team can't execute it efficiently in the bread and butter plays, then you can never get to the counters. And despite having scout teams, you'll never have a coach say, "yeah we practiced up temp, and it was clear that despite practicing it for 1 and a half days this week, we never really got our team to line up quickly, and of course our scout team has only practiced it for a couple of days, and Indiana has been doing it for a season and a half now."
This year many facets of the Michigan team are nice lumps of iron being shaped in a forge, they aren't pretty yet, or ready for tempering, but at least they are starting to look like a pointy weapon.
I think many negatives will be assigned to the LB corp for this game. Yes the secondary got burned early, but later on they were in position, and just didn't have the technique to make at least two more picks or PBUs
|21 weeks 2 days ago||What are you basing that on?||
I see very few JB stars that stayed to senior year except the ones who didn't have NBA potential.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I hope it stays with Dileo||
The attitude you need to be a punt returner is different than kickoff return. On kickoff return you never get hit before you catch it. Catching a punt is like looking up while running around in traffic. Norfleet is a jitterbug, but Dileo's got the attitude of, "you're not hitting me I'm hitting you." You need that for the first five steps of a punt return. After that, if you are still running, then it's a foot race, and Norfleet doesn't seem to have that all out sprint speed Breaston, Carter, Woodson, Howard, etc. had.
|22 weeks 5 days ago||Soooo...||
The answer is "No".
|23 weeks 4 days ago||is this the same play for TD?||
Is this the same play as the TD after Michigan's interception? That play looked like everyone sealed their man inside. How did the defense respond on that play?
I think the picture pages are great for analyzing one play in isolation. And if the goal of this analysis is to say, "hey the OL did a pretty good job blocking, but the defense was ready for it, and Fitz should have slammed up into a LB for 1-3 yards forward instead of dancing for a -2.
Now the conclusions that are made in the article go beyond what I think the single play can provide. Primarily the unstated assumption is that this is as best as Michigan can block it. But every now and then a play loses on RPS. How did this play and this team execute when RPS even? That's why I'm asking if this was the same play that also got a TD at a very critical moment?
To extend this into other analysis I've seen on the board, or in comments to other front page analysis, there was a comment that the speed pitch is great, but Borges better not call it for MSU because they weill surely have an answer. The problem I see with that is the speed option has only been called as an audible by Gardner. The first time he made a bad decision to keep AND failed to secure the ball. The second time he made a great decision to pitch, maybe even helped by UConn studying film and saying, "Gardner never pitches to Fitz, annihilate Gardner", which ends up as a TD.
Basically, if we are going to try and analyze the game plan, we need to sort through all the different play calls (hard to do without a playbook) and then compare results on the same play call against the variations of defense put up against it.
Or we could limit our conclusions to only what the single play against a specific defense tells us. On this one I see us almost win on a play call that was defensed perfectly.
|23 weeks 5 days ago||Who are the maulers?||
To me there is Taylor, and then an inexperienced Kalis. Miller is small but non-Molkian, Glasgow is an inexperienced walkon, and Schofield is the serviceable Generic RT. compared to last year we've only added Kalis as the true Hoke prodigy. Why are we running outside zone? Maybe, just maybe it leverages our most experienced OL?!? And it is in response to last years weak interior line issues?
What I see is that all teams have a much greater ability to prepare than in years past. Hell recruiting stats don't even go back ten years. So now you have poor talent teams able to review everything a team did in the last game. It takes a lot more experience than Michigan has now on offense to continually add new things when last weeks new things were execution failures. I think what we have seen is a team that ignored CMU and took two weeks to prepare for ND. Then all the emphasis on being unorthodox to defeat talent hit a panic button in the team and inexperience melted down and Senior playmakers stopped trusting and took high risk paths to try and mitigate.
At the end of UConn, it looked to me that Fitz was finally trusting the holes would be there and stopped immediately looking for the cutbacks and alternates. By doing that he is going to give the OL confidence they are doing it correct immediately, instead of waiting for the film on Sunday.
This team lacks confidence, and it starts with Gardner. He was playing to not screw up at UConn.
Or Dr. Evil stole his MoJo.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Games played is important||
Just attending practice only gets you so far. Then experience is everything. Playing against your own team in practice can never be as intense as a real game, especially for something as physically exhausting as football. Then there is the quantity of inexperienced players that can start to have an exponential effect. A team can have a successful play if one person makes a mistake. But two or three mistakes? And then that blown play limits the options for the next play in the series. This is why the coaching types more frequently defend the coaches against the execution. In video games it sounds like players just have physical talents that vary but 100% execution is assumed, thus failure is only caused by "the scheme".
So count up all the games started by the listed startersand backups, compare that to other teams, and then tell me Michigan is not "young".
|24 weeks 4 days ago||It's the RB?||
I agree with the analysis on Toussaint, and I am thinking that maybe the coach we should be raising an eyebrow at is one Fred Jackson, and not Funk. But I also remember Gorgeous Al emphasizing that you don't rely on freshman running backs because that is how you get your QB killed.
Overall I think this game was on Gardner and his lack of experience. Going forward every defense is going to target Gallon as the threat, until Gardner makes them aware of Dileo,TE's and most importantly Jehu!
I expect to see Jehu on Kick Off returns and replacing the reynolds/jackson sightings.
|24 weeks 5 days ago||Reminded of 1998||
During one of Hoke's coaching clinic tours, he kept bringing up his preparation mistake with the 1998 team, and the result against Syracuse. Basically the point was, everyone needs to practice the fundamentals. Mattison seems to be repeating that in his press conference. The players seemed so eager to learn that he accelerated the installment of technique to the detriment of fundamental importance. Now I don't know what it takes to install more LB blitzes, but when the offense is only putting three guys out to catch covering them with five players and sending both LB's seems to be something that needs doing.
It also makes me think that if you can trust your front seven to be gap sound on every play there really is no reason not to hop them up on goofballs.
That said, I have faith that progress will be made this season. And the bye weeks come up early this year, so I am ready to just think about U Conn from this point forward.
|24 weeks 5 days ago||The coaches comments on youth||
These comments are the ones I pay attention to the most. I think everyone is forgetting the CMU game results entirely by some of these grasping at straws reasons. It is similar to comments like, "Hoke's strategy is execution over scheme". That statement makes no sense. Schemes never work if they aren't executed. Coaches call a play on first down with the widest range of choice. When the execution causes failure, the next choice is greatly resticted. Borges, like many coaches seems to have few choices on third and long. Oregon has fewer choices on third and long, once you are in third and long the defense has the advantage, and their acces to scheme expands!
Go watch the post game press conferences again everyone, the most dodged question was the one about, "didn't you notice in practice that players were not preparing as they had the previous weeks?
Everyone thought this game was in the bag except Akron. It is as simple as that. Well, and Devin panicked multiple times. Hopefully Captain Red Zone got it all out of his system and can go back to his super hero results. I'll give him the deflection in traffic, but the non-pitch to Fitz was ego or mental freeze, the pass to double covered Gallon instead of wide open Funchess was playground mentality football, and the pick six was the scramble panic flub that he did in the ND game. The one everyone said "He knows to not do that again"
|25 weeks 20 hours ago||He tried at least once||
Going over the top requires pass protection. Gallon wasn't targeted because he was always double covered and one interception was a bad decision to target Gallon. This should have been a coming out party for Chesson as the second threat after Gallon. Funchess was wide open across the middle on the interception targeted at Gallon. When the QB starts making bad decisions and Oline can't block, you don't start dialing up the long ball every play. With the crappy execution the OC becomes severely tactically limited.
Anyone watch the ND game and their slow start against Purdue? Then 21 points in the fourth to win?
Mistakes all over, but this week was the off week, not last week.
|25 weeks 20 hours ago||Yes, they focused on Gallon||
And so did Devin. He threw into double coverage to Gallon on one interception. The pick six was another blind desparate throw with protection breaking down. If he just pitches it to Fitz he doesn't fumble. Those plays were a minimum of 7 points of differential max of 21 points.
Hoke expects a lot out of the Dline because the secondary is young. They don't trust the safeties enough to play press man on the corners, snd really the linebackers don't seem to have coverage down yet either. Three step passes are hard to get a sack on. But that last drive did have a play where all but one of the Dline got piled on an the QB scrambled forever.
The offense though is on the line and Devin. Devin needs to look at someone other than Gallon. On the interception Funchess was leading his covering LB by more than a yard. Devin misses that and throws to double coverage.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||In Kelly's head? yes||
Herbstreit brought up the fact that Kelly was calling the offense for just over half the game many times and that the game started with the OC calling the plays.
The first pass completed in front of Countess I was thinking, "what is up with Countess? why isn't our stud corner contesting those short passes?" But then I watched both corners and they were doing the same thing and I concluded it had to be the plan so that it helped out the safeties keep the long pass routes double covered.
The Heavy use of Nickel didn't start until the first half was coming to a close with michigan up by a TD 20-13. It only took two plays on that drive to get the interception, and one that Countess reads Rees's eyes or just bets that he should cover the deeper receiver and get's in the way of Rees's pass. Then Gardner takes that gift and Hoke goes all in on a pair of Kings in his pocket. Up two scores, Mattison Finishes the next drive entirely in Nickel, knowing that with Kelly behind in the chip count Michigan just needs to lean on them.
The first ND drive of the second half opens in the 4-3 buts ends in Nickel, and then it's mostly Nickel the rest of the way as Kelly has taken over OC duties because he can't believe that Gardner is a Throw God on the run, and is also being called Denard because the running backs are just blocking now, despite wearing the Ol 98 jersey.
So I think the DL did well and I'm willing to bet if you measured the average time Rees held onto the ball it would be half the time Gardner held onto the ball. Rees never had time to progress past the second read. Sure there was only 1 sack, but the short passes weren't getting YAC and the defense couldn't stop "6.5 points in the Red Zone" Gardner.
Conclusion, do not play poker against Hoke with your own money.
|26 weeks 13 hours ago||Wierd||
Devin was called Denard so many times and yet Devin has never worn the number 16. Maybe these numbers don't mean what everyone thinks they mean?!?
|26 weeks 21 hours ago||Agree||
No one talks about Taylor Lewan since he's trapped in the shadow of #77
|26 weeks 1 day ago||Gardner rush for 82 yards||
So much for the running backs running for more yards than the QB.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||great question on the QB of the defense||
From reading the transcripts from Mattison over the last two seasons, and this fall camp, He seems to call the defense as if it's two main components; the front seven and then the back four. Within those two groups, there is a variety of choices to make, or items to call out when the offense shows their formation. And then changes their formation. Jordan Kovacs was clearly the player that picked up the best view on calling out items for the back 4.
What's also interesting is the different defensive line stunts that can be called. RVB was the one who was first allowed to call those. So is that now with the LB's or is there really three groups in the defensive formation, each of whom can make an adjustment on the tactics called by Mattison?
Anyway, great question, and intersting that Mattison has said he doesn't want to platoon the back 4. Maybe that really happens through the tactical formations of the base D, versus Nickel and Dime?
Also, the ability of the players to "not switch" sides of the field and be "multiple" in their position would be the next intersting questions along these lines.
|32 weeks 6 days ago||Done!|
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Poor offensive line play||
who doesn't have a problem scheming around this? How different would 2009 have been if Molk had played the entire season?
No one can adjust to a defense if your entire offensive team cannot execute enough plays to punish a cheating defense. As well as Gardner had performed as a QB last year, he still did not have the range of plays perfected as much as Denard had. A big point in the MGoBlog interview with Borges was his point that three and out doesn't give you any chance to show off even a narror range. And if the defense has figure out how to shutdown the successful part of a narrow range, there really isn't much you can call with success.
I'm excited for this coming season to see what Borge's system can do, because until next season, he's been playing with other people's resources. I think it will also be a season of more pass plays than run plays, because the interior offensive line is young.
|41 weeks 6 days ago||I will never understand it||
Unless you know the plays he's calling, and know exactly how well each of 11 players executed their assignment each time, there is now way you can make the statement "We all know that Al made some questionable decisions". You can't know that unless you are on the coaching staff.
But the amazing part is how you use the awesome athleticism of the players take the blame for the "questionable decisions" by the coaches.
The reason Coordinator salaries are on the rise is because they put in 20 hours a day planning for a game all week, and then get to read completely uninformed criticism of them afterwards, usually completely independent of the result of the game. I don't mind analyzing a play and figuring out how it should have worked, or how it didn't exploit the weakness of the defense that was called, etc. Afterall, there is still a bunch of coaches and players on the other side, who have worked just as hard at figuring out how to exploit weakness of their opponent. The reason I watch the game is because, after all of that almost equal preparation, the final outcome is a result of team effort and luck on each and every play.
And that's why they play the game.