Xs and Os - OSU vs Michigan

Submitted by Space Coyote on

Here's a round up of some of my articles about OSU and Michigan Xs and Os. Feel free to ask any questions. I'll pull a few thoughts together a little later.

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RGard

November 25th, 2015 at 10:03 AM ^

I'm not going to the sports bar to watch the game.  I went to the sports bar 2x this season.  Utah and MSU.  I learned my lesson.

I'm staying home.  I'm watching the game from my couch and we will win.

LSAClassOf2000

November 25th, 2015 at 9:58 AM ^

I've been actualy wondering about how much of the Indiana film you believe that Ohio State might be scouting - it seems like the game they might actually try and pull ideas from, that and Minnesota. Do you foresee them trying, for example, zone stretch with Elliott just to see if they can get away with it?

Space Coyote

November 25th, 2015 at 10:07 AM ^

They will look at every game, quite honestly, because there are things to pull from each. I think the three games they'll take the most from are MSU, Minnesota, and Indiana though.

MSU showed some of the struggles Michigan has with jet motion, something OSU utilizes with their H position. Michigan tends to lose players coming out of the backfield because they are LB responsibilities and LBs also have run fits to worry about. I expect quite a bit of that from OSU.

From the Minnesota game, I think they'll look at how they attacked the middle of the field. OSU hasn't done that nearly enough this year, including going away from it in the MSU game, but I expect them to use their TE a bit more in the passing game and try to get into the intermediate middle a bit.

From Indiana, it's obviously the stretch and pin and pull scheme, both of which OSU does, though more as a change up. OSU can run stretch with the H (having the RB lead block), the QB (again, with the RB lead blocking), and with the RB because Zeke is a good all around player. I expect them to try to use all three to their advantage. Michigan's weakness in the run game is getting to the edge, though they've made it difficult for most teams to get there with good DE play against the run. But spreading out the front tends to create gaps and there aren't DBs to help as much in run support (though I expect Michigan to run more zone in this game).

Space Coyote

November 25th, 2015 at 10:21 AM ^

Pulling from above: I expect OSU to take bits and pieces from three games for how they want to play offense: MSU, Minnesota, and Indiana.

MSU showed some of the struggles Michigan has with jet motion, something OSU utilizes with their H position. Michigan tends to lose players coming out of the backfield because they are LB responsibilities and LBs also have run fits to worry about. I expect quite a bit of that from OSU. 

From the Minnesota game, I think they'll look at how they attacked the middle of the field. OSU hasn't done that nearly enough this year, including going away from it in the MSU game, but I expect them to use their TE a bit more in the passing game and try to get into the intermediate middle a bit.

From Indiana, it's obviously the stretch and pin and pull scheme, both of which OSU does, though more as a change up. OSU can run stretch with the H (having the RB lead block), the QB (again, with the RB lead blocking), and with the RB because Zeke is a good all around player. I expect them to try to use all three to their advantage. Michigan's weakness in the run game is getting to the edge, though they've made it difficult for most teams to get there with good DE play against the run. But spreading out the front tends to create gaps and there aren't DBs to help as much in run support.

I do expect Michigan to play more zone in this game to get Peppers and Hill/Thomas more involved off the edge in run support. That will help even out the box against what looks like an offense that isn't comfortable passing the ball a lot right now. It will be important to keep the zones tight on the back end though to keep OSU from regaining some of that lost confidence. Easy throws will open up the playbook for OSU, the last thing Michigan wants is for them to get in a rhythm.

On defense, OSU needs to look no further than MSU and Minnesota, both of which play Cover 4 (similar as OSU). Though OSU tends to play their safeties deeper, I expect them to move them closer to the LOS as Michigan plays heavy, and as almost all teams have done to Michigan lately. My question is, how much zone will OSU play, as they tend to play more MOD than a team like MSU, though their base is still man coverage on the outside. I expect more man coverage in this game from OSU so that Michigan can't exploit the gaps as much provided by their heavy use of play action. This means Butt will be key as he takes advantage of the safeties focusing more on run support.

For Michigan: run into the boundary and you shall have success. But twins or even trips into the boundary, force Perry to play outside the box and force Lee to play inside the box. Teams have repeated gotten chunks on OSU's defense by attacking the boundary because OSU lacks numbers there based on their scheme. Michigan can take advantage of that with formations and play calling. Don't attack Lee in space, make him fight through the wash. He's too big and athletic to win against in the open field, so force him to keep his eyes (and most of the time, his position) inside, then get outside of him with some smoke screens or attack right at him, going quickly down hill. Traps and whams can work great because it gets the OL into the 2nd level quick and takes advantage of OSU's very aggressive front 4.

In the pass game, play action has been Michigan's favorite all season, and I don't expect that to change. Force OSU to move in their coverage and play the run, and attack the gaps in coverage. You have to protect, and the RB position coming off their run action and getting into blocks is essential. Being smart with stunts and twists in passing situations is a must, and never, ever ever ever, get beat inside.

This is an interesting match up that's made more of a toss up with how OSU will react. Now that the pressure is mostly off of them, do they play with a nothing to lose attitude? Does that free them up to play up to their potential, or cause them to fold? Or have the folded already? MSU showed how you can attack OSU on the ground with a similar run game, and while Michigan's OL isn't quite MSU's current, healthy OL, they can do a lot of the same things. Both teams can score, both teams can defend, this is a high variance game in which I could see either team coming out on top. To me, Michigan's offense against the OSU defense is the greater known, you can expect 17-30 points from that group. What's the question is the other side of things, where OSU could be held to 14 points or score well into the 30s. That's what I believe the game comes down to. 

steve sharik

November 25th, 2015 at 10:28 AM ^

Have you charted any of the OSU offense as far as data is concerned? Or do you at least have a feel for what they're most successful with this year? Seems like what they killed with in the B1G title game and CFP games isn't being used much this year, with Herman gone.

Space Coyote

November 25th, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^

Simply because I haven't watched them enough, quite honestly.

The last few years they've been very diverse, but they always had the most success with split zone and Power (though they went with Wham in the Championship game as a change up to the split zone; but those are all schemes Michigan's D is most comfortable with). Almost all of their passing attack was based off of those run threats.

What I watched during the MSU game was a team that was having decent, albeit not great, success running gap schemes early on. I do believe MSU tightened their DEs, and that's part of the reason OSU went away from it, but they really did not go back to it at all.

I've had one issue with the way OSU has called plays the past few years, in it's that a lot of the time they try to call the perfect play schematically instead of the right play for them to run. What I mean is, they see how the defense is aligned and run what theoretically should work best, but that's not what always works best. When they lost JT last year, they went away from that. Instead, they just kept running what worked, and that's how they won those last three games.

This year, they went right back to trying to call what schematically should work best, but with an offense with less rhythm and an OC that doesn't quite have the feel for the defense as Herman did, it seems to not be working as well.

I would still say OSU is best at their gap schemes rather than their zone schemes. Farris is also a bit of a liability at RT, so they seem to shy away from running out there without TE support.

west2

November 25th, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^

a great commentary by Space making sense of it all to the lay people like me.    Love the scheme name "eagle tiger" but have no idea of what that is.   This looks like its going to shape up to be a classic game, I can't wait!