Wolverine Maven: Insiders pov

Submitted by teldar on September 9th, 2019 at 9:43 PM

I'm not familiar with this site as I don't browse the internet extensively for Michigan sports news, but this came up as a suggested article. This seems like a he said, she said site without much journalism.

 

Original story tldr: Harbaugh is turtling the offense and this could get ugly.

Update at the beginning: Turtling was done because Shea in the game is not the same as in practice.

Link?

https://mavensports.io/michigan/football/michigan-football-insiders-there-is-a-disconnect-on-game-days-ZqQHJBnP8kGrencxBowAzA/

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Blue-Ray

September 10th, 2019 at 7:03 AM ^

*Limiting free advertising.

He has a radio show he can use for promotion and saying those same things.

For what purpose though?

Capitalizing on/profiting off of creating controversy during the BYE after a WIN is whatever you want to label it. 

Unfortunate BB fully joined them. I actually really liked listening to his recruiting stuff. 

In a very particular order:

  1. Brian and Bryan
  2.  
  3. BB
  4. Maizen
  5. Deace
  6. Valenti
  7. Pete
  8. Herb
  9. Urban
  10. ZS
  11. Skip
  12. Dakich
  13. Corso
  14. Yoder (edited)
  15. Silence
  16. Cowbells
  17. Writer of that article 

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The Fugitive

September 9th, 2019 at 9:49 PM ^

I believe the site is run by Mike Spath with Brandon Brown and that one weird guy from Iowa who records videos from his mom's basement. Steve Deace? Not really a great cast of Michigan reporters. Wonder if Brown knows where Dashawn Hand is going to college. 

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backusduo

September 9th, 2019 at 9:52 PM ^

Nothing about this article sounded insider.  Same crap everyone on every blog is spouting. Gattis and Brown didn’t sound rattled today. They just sounded like execution isn’t where it needs to be. Maybe all that golfing this offseason instead of studying film, wasn’t what the doctor ordered for Shea. This was the #1 QB coming out of high, but kids that get a ton of pro coaching in high school often look more advanced to begin with, but their ceiling is much lower. I think that is the case of Shea. He is who he is, and it doesn’t look like we are going to get much more than that.

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Wolverine91

September 9th, 2019 at 9:55 PM ^

I don't think what was written is too far off what most think. Shea and the coaches were shell shocked. That was obvious. Incredibly disappointing. The point about Harbaugh "turtling" and playing ultra conservative when the going gets tough I.e msu last year, osu, Iowa etc is so true. If your leader isn't confident, don't expect your top qb to be either 

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Mongo

September 9th, 2019 at 9:57 PM ^

Michigan SUCKS ... that narrative is just click bait.  The media is f-ing hot garbage.  I have stopped clicking on these bullshit hot takes.  Find a reliable source like Sam Webb, Isia Hole and MGBlog generally.  All other sources are click-bait bullshit hot takes .... suspect. 

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The Fugitive

September 9th, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^

I didn't listen to WTKA today. What was Sam's tone in regards to the game Saturday? He is very rarely critical of the coaching, Ira too now that he's on the Harbaugh podcast. They probably just replayed player and coach interviews and kept their mouths shut

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LeCheezus

September 10th, 2019 at 7:50 AM ^

If you listen to Sam frequently you can "listen between the lines" pretty easily.  He just frames negative opinions as "concerns" and "things that would give him pause" etc.  You are correct though that if there are serious internal problems (strife in the coaching ranks for example) you won't get any of that from Sam.

I could do without the MMQB segment though and have started to skip it.  I know Andy knows football but most of what he says is so predictable and dumbed down I can't listen to it.  His rants on "BALL SECURITY" last week were akin to the guy at the bar watching basketball that doesn't know anything and is just saying stuff like "Gotta box out and rebound!" and "You HAVE to make your free throws!"  No shit, dude.

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JPC

September 9th, 2019 at 10:01 PM ^

The negs are really flying around here lately. 

OP - the shit you read on the internet isn't necessarily true, FYI. 

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Chipper1221

September 9th, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^

Idk why you guys believe half the shit you read when you can just watch the games.

The issue with this team starts with the fact that the O line (in year 5) still can’t move smaller teams like mid tenn and army. Any smart playcaller would recognize this but we don’t have that. 

You presumably have nfl talent at WR but you give a freshmen 33 carries in a tight game? And he can barley eclipse 100 yards. Yikes 

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The Homie J

September 10th, 2019 at 11:51 AM ^

There's a lot of blame to go around, but it not's the offensive line's fault.  I rewatched the game (because I'm impatient and can't wait for Brian's UFR) and the o-line was generally good.  They had an uphill battle because Army stacked the box and we refused to punish them for it.  In spite of that, they were still blowing people off the ball.  Owenu in particular was dumping his guy into the pavement (which you'd expect, given he's about 100 pounds heavier than them).  

And it appears that Army singled out Hayes this week, whereas I think MTSU went after Mayfield (possibly because they didn't know Hayes would be playing).  While both had biffs, they were still pretty good for only their 2 second starts at the college level.  The biggest issue was predictable playcalling, and running into stacked fronts.  And despite that, Charbonnet was still maxmizing his carries in a way that freshman usually do not.  He stonewalled 2 unblocked defenders on his way to his 3rd touchdown of the day.

The players were up to the task, it was the odd coaching (and likely covering for an injury-limited QB) that contributed to the struggles.

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Drew Henson's Backup

September 9th, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^

I've heard from a pair of impeccable sources that believe most of Michigan's issues Saturday stemmed not from play-calling but from poor execution from its quarterback, Patterson being "rattled" and the coaches feeling frustrated by a 180 reversal in how the game plan was executed in practice and then how it was not in the game.

Right, so the coaches were really frustrated by what Shea was doing and that's why they basically never put The Ostrich in the game. (I'm going to make The Ostrich stick.)

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Five fakes out of five.

Next!

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West Coast Struttin

September 9th, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^

Almost all sports radio, media, and fans are bashing M football coaches...and the fans booed the coaches loudly at the Big House. Not a good look for the program in week 2...

 

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UMForLife

September 9th, 2019 at 11:43 PM ^

Come on man. Look at the front page. Look at the topics on the board. Look at the comments. All this bitching is not enough. You have to load up with another one? These two weeks are going to be unbearable.

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NeverPunt

September 10th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^

this was truly my biggest fear at halftime of the army game. Two weeks of hawt takes following a close win or (my god think of the takes) a loss. We should thank that Army kicker for his service twice, once for his service to our country, and once for the service to this blog for sparing us the even greater misery of pre-bye-week-loss-to-an-unranked-team posts

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JamieH

September 10th, 2019 at 12:37 AM ^

I'm not saying you have to like or agree with him, but Spath is no troll.  Of COURSE he wants clicks--he's a media person who wants people to listen to his show.  But I believe he's reporting on info that someone he values told him.

Now, is his source good?  Only he could tell you, but obviously he could never identify a source giving him that kind of inside info.  There is NO WAY the coaches would ever let it get out that things weren't copacetic.  

I've talked with Spath about Michigan football for a long time.  He's not a bullshitter.  I can't tell you that his source is guaranteed 100% accurate (hell, sources lie to get attention sometimes too) but he's not just making stuff up for attention.

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JamieH

September 10th, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^

Oh yeah, because if someone associated with the team talked to Spath and told him Patterson was rattled, and then Spath NAMED THEM PUBLICALLY that would go super well.

People only share juicy info with those that protect their sources. I can't tell you who Spath talked to, but I will reiterate--he's not a BSer. If Spath says good sources gave him that info, I believe him.  

You are obviously free to not believe him.  

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Bo Harbaugh

September 10th, 2019 at 4:49 AM ^

This “article” is just an aggregation of all the frustration and speculation from the posts on mgoblog. 

Copy, paste, clean up some curse words...that’s all this article is ??‍♂️

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Vinny The Microwave

September 10th, 2019 at 7:22 AM ^

Yah - Jim is gone after this year. Michigan is going 7-5 at best and Jimmy is taking the best NFL gig his agent can find.

Warde is gonna have a YUGE test on his hands to go find a fucking coach who understands what’s happening around college football and what it takes to win a NC.  Hopefully he doesn't fuck it up. 

The mods can delete my account and ban my IP if this team goes better than 7-5 and JH is still the coach next year. 

Dude is garbage anyways. Gets paid millions to lose to any team with a pulse. Must be rough. 

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tfrock

September 10th, 2019 at 7:28 AM ^

I am fairly certain Shea is hurt - really the only explanation given his 1 keep the entire game, him flailing on the ground without getting hit on the same play and his throwing motion being completely off.  I am selling the idea of turtling and being a mental thing with Shea ... we take the bye week, fix the issues / get healthy, and go beat Wisconsin.

 

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WorldwideTJRob

September 10th, 2019 at 8:19 AM ^

First off...things get leaked from the CIA, FBI and Oval Office. So why do we think that no one could’ve leaked this info from Schembechler Hall to Spath? He does have players on his radio show often and has written about Michigan for a while. 

Secondly, what was written in the article that didn’t seem plausible. We all could see the gameplan took a turn for a conservative route in the 2nd half. Additionally, I find it highly likely that Shea is worried about making mistakes and that had him a little rattled! He got booed last week, was booed this week and turned the ball over. That could shake a professional, let alone a 22 year old guy whose own coach has said publicly that the guy behind him is good enough to play right now. So Subconsciously he might be thinking “if I keep this ball on the option and get hit and fumble, will I get taken out”. Thought the article was pretty reasonable...none of the “Fire Harbaugh!” Takes you here from spartan trolls like Valenti.

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